MJ Yeah, I forgot to mention that the lighter one absolutely had no part number on it. I went through every corner of it, and no digits or letters. I suspect it to be a generic type or off shore product. Lots of bogus or inferior stuff out there these days. I'll nudge my friends shoulder to get his part number because that one was in the 7 LB range. IIRC it was 7-1/2 7-3/4 Lbs or something along those numbers.
