I was one of the failed to be impressed with HUGHES but mostly with his lack of ability to offer reason why his cam was not able to perform as he claimed but I'm a amature and he figured I should buy another cam the next size up and give that a try he said,I guess customers make the best test monkeys.It was a costly lesson needing complete tear down after losing 2 lifters.I feel sorry for the dealers that jumped on that HUGHES WAGON I can imagine the flack they're taking now!