wow I posted early, and felt I might have been out of line and too harsh, well not really, after I hit the send button,to Plumcrazy, I came back to see this up to 40 posts, I thought I might have said something wrong, but I guess my feelings are shared by the group, and as i suspected alot of business going away from Hughes. Im sure he will see this chat room discussion, and not see much money i the future, again, not because of his product, but because of his mouth, you dont tell everyone you slept with the bride at her and your bosses wedding