Engine builders, you have my sympathy

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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy [Re: GTX MATT] #1673865 09/24/14 05:28 PM 09/24/14 05:28 PM
Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 4,457 Washington M madscientist master
madscientist master M Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 4,457 Washington	Quote: Quote: "The phrase 'I would rather have more torque than horsepower...' is often heard and misguided" Pretty straight forward isn't it? Here is one more to think about. Quote "Commit this one to memory.There is an old saying that goes 'there is no replacement for displacement' and although that is novel, it is NOT necessarily the TRUTH" Emphasis mine. I'm looking forward to reading this book. Read close and enjoy. I'm nowhere near as smart as Bettes and we disagree on some things (yes, I have talked to him and went to a seminar he gave years ago) but you just can't discount what he says. Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston

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Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/18/14 09:18 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/18/14 10:00 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/18/14 10:39 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	sg66mopar	09/19/14 01:18 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	CTD5.9	09/18/14 10:08 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	tubtar	09/19/14 04:24 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	CTD5.9	09/19/14 05:31 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	451Cuda	09/19/14 01:32 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	slammedR/T	09/19/14 01:45 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/19/14 03:35 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/19/14 04:20 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	sg66mopar	09/19/14 04:32 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/19/14 05:39 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	slammedR/T	09/19/14 06:56 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Jeepmon	09/19/14 07:10 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MoparJunkie	09/19/14 12:27 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Porter67	09/19/14 12:53 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Duner	09/19/14 01:52 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MR_P_BODY	09/19/14 02:11 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/19/14 03:34 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MR_P_BODY	09/19/14 03:42 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Eric	09/19/14 03:48 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Eric	09/19/14 03:51 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	dodgeboy11	09/29/14 08:12 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	EchoSixMike	09/29/14 11:21 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	LA360	10/01/14 06:15 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/19/14 04:40 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Jeepmon	09/19/14 05:21 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	dwayne welder	09/19/14 05:30 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Eric	09/19/14 05:37 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Leigh	09/19/14 07:33 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	moper	09/19/14 05:38 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/19/14 05:30 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/19/14 05:49 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	moparguy7074	09/19/14 05:53 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	B G Racing	09/19/14 06:19 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	slammedR/T	09/19/14 06:18 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/19/14 06:37 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/19/14 07:44 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/19/14 08:22 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/19/14 08:43 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MRMOPAR622	09/19/14 11:04 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MR_P_BODY	09/19/14 11:23 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	CTD5.9	09/19/14 11:43 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MR_P_BODY	09/20/14 12:56 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/19/14 11:44 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	d-150	09/19/14 11:53 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MR_P_BODY	09/20/14 12:30 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/20/14 12:37 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	d-150	09/20/14 12:51 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/20/14 01:07 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MR_P_BODY	09/20/14 01:21 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/20/14 01:28 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/20/14 01:40 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/20/14 01:47 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Chris'sBarracuda	09/20/14 02:16 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MR_P_BODY	09/20/14 02:31 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/20/14 02:51 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MR_P_BODY	09/20/14 03:01 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Porter67	09/20/14 03:13 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	J_BODY	09/20/14 08:00 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Quicktree	09/20/14 02:36 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	sg66mopar	09/20/14 04:25 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/20/14 05:27 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	sg66mopar	09/20/14 05:39 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	LSP	09/20/14 02:58 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/20/14 03:07 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	LSP	09/20/14 05:45 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Hot 340	09/20/14 06:06 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	B G Racing	09/21/14 01:27 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/21/14 03:12 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Eric	09/21/14 04:25 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Monte_Smith	09/21/14 08:01 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Chris'sBarracuda	09/21/14 08:07 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	sixpackgut	09/21/14 08:19 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MoparBilly	09/21/14 03:19 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/21/14 03:51 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	EchoSixMike	09/21/14 09:46 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	dvw	09/21/14 01:49 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Monte_Smith	09/21/14 06:30 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/21/14 06:58 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	LSP	09/21/14 07:02 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/21/14 07:29 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Diablo	09/22/14 06:21 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Monte_Smith	09/22/14 06:49 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Diablo	09/22/14 03:24 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/22/14 03:29 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Hot 340	09/21/14 03:14 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Eric	09/21/14 03:57 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/21/14 04:42 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Monte_Smith	09/21/14 06:22 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	sixpackgut	09/21/14 06:43 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Monte_Smith	09/21/14 08:21 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/21/14 10:03 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/22/14 01:01 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	racerhog	09/22/14 01:40 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Gary Robbins	09/22/14 01:24 AM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MRMOPAR622	09/24/14 05:54 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MRMOPAR622	09/24/14 06:11 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	GTX MATT	09/24/14 06:41 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Monte_Smith	09/22/14 04:34 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Monte_Smith	09/22/14 04:45 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/22/14 05:32 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Monte_Smith	09/22/14 06:38 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	EchoSixMike	09/22/14 06:50 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Monte_Smith	09/22/14 07:05 AM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Al_Alguire	09/22/14 07:39 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Monte_Smith	09/22/14 07:48 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Quicktree	09/22/14 11:06 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/22/14 01:39 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	moper	09/22/14 03:04 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Eric	09/22/14 03:38 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/22/14 03:45 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	slantzilla	09/22/14 05:01 PM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	B1MAXX	09/22/14 05:40 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Monte_Smith	09/22/14 05:43 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	slammedR/T	09/22/14 06:08 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Monte_Smith	09/22/14 06:14 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	slammedR/T	09/22/14 06:17 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Porter67	09/22/14 06:36 PM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Eric	09/22/14 05:32 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/22/14 05:40 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MRMOPAR622	09/22/14 06:02 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Monte_Smith	09/22/14 06:33 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	74yellowduster	09/22/14 07:08 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	sixpackgut	09/22/14 09:45 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/22/14 06:07 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	B G Racing	09/22/14 06:18 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	pittsburghracer	09/22/14 06:28 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/22/14 06:41 PM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Porter67	09/22/14 07:13 PM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/24/14 01:12 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/24/14 04:02 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	tubtar	09/24/14 05:12 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Thumperdart	09/24/14 06:08 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	racerx	09/24/14 12:17 PM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/24/14 04:34 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/24/14 05:19 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/24/14 06:00 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/24/14 06:08 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/24/14 07:23 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	tboomer	09/24/14 07:40 PM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/24/14 09:37 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/24/14 09:56 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/24/14 10:38 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/25/14 01:53 AM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/25/14 02:19 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/25/14 02:51 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	pittsburghracer	09/25/14 02:51 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/25/14 03:25 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Monte_Smith	09/25/14 03:57 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/25/14 04:05 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	voigtspeed	09/25/14 04:38 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Duner	09/25/14 04:52 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Eric	09/25/14 04:59 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MR_P_BODY	09/25/14 05:02 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/25/14 04:49 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MR_P_BODY	09/25/14 04:54 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	gregsdart	09/29/14 01:40 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Anonymous	09/25/14 05:33 AM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	GTX MATT	09/24/14 08:30 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/24/14 07:41 PM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/24/14 07:53 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	MRMOPAR622	09/24/14 10:41 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/24/14 10:48 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	GTX MATT	09/24/14 11:52 PM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	gregsdart	09/29/14 01:47 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Dunnuck Racing	09/29/14 03:44 PM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Al_Alguire	09/29/14 09:09 PM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Al_Alguire	09/29/14 09:38 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/30/14 01:22 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Al_Alguire	09/30/14 07:28 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/30/14 03:59 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Al_Alguire	10/01/14 07:45 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	LSP	10/01/14 12:00 AM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	HotRodDave	09/24/14 06:46 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	madscientist	09/24/14 07:10 PM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Eric	09/21/14 08:17 PM
Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Duner	09/21/14 08:37 PM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Al_Alguire	09/20/14 07:32 PM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	Gary Robbins	09/26/14 04:15 PM
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Re: Engine builders, you have my sympathy	camastomcat	09/25/14 05:04 PM
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