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The main disconnect here seems to be that the vast majority of Mopar guys are content to run motors in the 750 or so HP range. Be they bracket racers, test n tuners, stop racers, street guys or whatever. In that range parts are plentiful, cheaper and there seems to be no problem getting them..........Then you have a group of guys who want to make more power. They seem to have no problem ponying up the money for mega-blocks, Indy blocks, KB, B-1s etc, but parts are harder to get and a little more costly. The first group seems to have no problem with the second group.........Then comes the third group. The guys who want to make serious power and or be able to compete on a head to head basis with other brands and do it with Mopar power. This is the group that is always lamenting the fact that Mopar R&D and new parts is virtually non existant at this level and pointing out the fact that there are no parts to do what you want and none on the horizon. Some in group one seem to have a real problem with group three and want to label them "elitest" or some such other bullsh%t and call them not REAL Mopar guys because they complain about parts or choose to go other routes to accomplish what they want. They are content and can't seem to understand why others are not..........THAT is the problem. They only see it from their point of view

Monte




I suppose it should be pointed out that there is no "mopar/chevy/ford" at that level. It's all custom stuff, as I'm sure you know.



Funny you should say that though............as every time we see a nice Mopar with a 5.0 or 5.3 bore space motor in it........it is immediately written off with a "too bad it has a Chevy motor" statement. I myself have been thrown under the bus for stating I was putting one of those "custom" all aluminum motors in my own car and called "not a real Mopar guy" because I was putting a Chevy motor in it..........So obviously not everybody shares your thought process

Monte




Seems like the MoPar guys don't get it. You can NOT compete if you have a 4.80 or 4.84 BS when someone else can have a 5.0 or 5.3 BS. It is impossible. I have been harping on this for decades now and guys still want to build 451 CI low decks. The 451 is a great combo is you are stuck with stock bore spacing. After that...just wasting time. I think a great majority of people don't get that HP is directly related to 3 simple things (no particular order here). Actual, useable air flow. Piston area. RPM. Every time you increase the bore, the HP should go up. Every time you increase the stroke, you increase and/or flatten the torque curve.

Since I run a transmission (don't even get me started on how the useless powerglide has destroyed chassis tuning and understanding) I will give up low end torque to gain HP every single time.
Along that line, which combination will be quicker? 425 HP and 825 lb/ft or 650 HP and 525 lb/ft?

Explain why one would be better than the other.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston