first of all, Dave from ECS is one of the nicest,most generious helpful vendors i have ever met. he tries very hard to improve the hobby and make correct products, i would support him with all his products thats why i am waiting to get a new black carpet for my 65 dodge coronet. if you have ever talked to him on the phone you know what i mean. please stop bashing him and his efforts, he is truly a asset to this hobby.