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FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!!
Posted By: ECS
FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/23/07 12:10 AM
Here is an update on the carpeting that is finally in the pipeline for ALL Mopar enthusiast. As many of you know ECS has spent over three years trying to work with various manufacturers in an attempt to solve the problems with quality, fit and appearance of automotive carpeting. We are currently working with Motor Parts South and they have been able to reproduce carpeting with the exact look and fit of the original factory styles. John and Geoff McBryde of Motor Parts South has finally reached this longtime goal for manufacturing factory exact carpeting. A set for my Challenger will be the first to incorporate the correct look and also be shipped UNROLLED. The entire market can now receive their carpeting flat so the contour and crisp molded patterns will no longer be compromised during shipping! ECS will be a proud distributor for this product line and are eager to work with a reputable firm like Motor Parts South. A HUGE thanks to John And Geoff McBryde (Motor Parts South) for all their efforts in making this quality carpet, a reality for the hobby.
Dave Walden
ECS Automotive Concepts, LLC
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/23/07 12:28 AM
Great news Dave!
Are there plans to do all body styles like A & B-body cars?
Will they come with the correct heavy jute backing as well?
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/23/07 12:36 AM
Good to know.
But I gotta ask, with they come with these for the OARC ?
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/23/07 12:42 AM
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Great news Dave!
Are there plans to do all body styles like A & B-body cars?
Will they come with the correct heavy jute backing as well?
Looks like I need to pawn off my new Trim Parts carpet kits for my Challenger & my Coronet...
Posted By: VCODE
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/23/07 12:45 AM
Dave,
Good for you,an asset to us mopar guys
Thanks Bob
Posted By: 70SportSatellite
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/23/07 12:45 AM
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This is the reason why in the last two weeks we have ceased selling the carpets due to a mold problem. I will be glad to refund the money and will do so monday morning when you call, I have never hid from a problem and for those of you that know John and Vicki McBryde knows that any problem will be handled with professionalism and courtesy. I will guarantee you that if the mold problem cannot be rectified then I will be the first to walk away from the carpet. I (Geoff, the McBryde's son) spent three months away from my own business to help get a better fitting carpet on the market, as I too was having a hard time getting a better carpet for cars I am and have previously restored. I am working with the mold people right now to straighten out the problem, so bear with us as we work through this.
This is a quote from Geoff on Sunday Sep 30. Three weeks seems awfully quick to have rectified the situation as explained to me but I'm glad they have and I would really liked to have tried it but I now have a new ACC on the floor and a Trim Parts installed and two early MPS's in boxes still sitting by the office waiting to be picked up so I can get my refund and at this point I can't see myself pulling out the Trim Parts and losing money on it also. Maybe in the future and is it normal for UPS to take so long to pick stuff up?
BTW, will the heel pad be glued down or stitched at the perimeter like the ones I have?
Posted By: anlauto
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/23/07 01:03 AM
That's terrific news Dave, glad to hear it
Will it be affordable for the average guy like myself?
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/23/07 01:26 AM
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That's terrific news Dave, glad to hear it
Will it be affordable for the average guy like myself?
Hi Alan,
I will try and respond to everyone in this post. Yes the problems have been resolved within the last few days.
All styles for various makes and models will be available as development continues.
The toe pad will be glued; not stitched.
It should be about the same cost as what is currently out there. Like any superior product, there may be a (slightly) higher cost. The offsetting benefit of having it correct and looking good far outweighs any additional $$. Shipping may be higher due to the requirements to ship it in larger boxes. Like most new items, the demand will certainly dictate cost as time progresses!
Posted By: 44D6PAKCUDA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/23/07 01:31 AM
When will E-Body carpets be available to purchase and ship from ESC ??
Posted By: Michael
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/23/07 01:39 AM
Any plans to make CORRECT rubber mats for the cheap body 2 door sedans? Like a 66 B-body?
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/23/07 03:35 AM
I will be talking to the guys at Motor Parts later this week. I hope the E Body carpet will be ready in the next few weeks. I don't want to commit an absolute date because they run their own agenda of course. Sorry but I cannot elaborate on any new products they might provide in the near future. I will see if one of the gentleman at MPS will come on here and close the loop regarding some of the questions. Thanks again!
Posted By: Showtime
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/23/07 09:21 PM
First and foremost the problems are still being rectified but we have solved the majority of the problems, Jurgen. Second these are going to be affordable,at 169.95 plus shipping, we are also working on getting bigger boxes so the carpets aren't rolled so tight. I have been on the road today since 4:30 a.m. and by the time I got back to the shop the guys (Bill and Dennis) had started fitting three different vehicles of different body styles and trans configurations as we are checking all molds for problems or defects. The 70 Road Runner fits perfect and it is a 4 speed set. The molders right now have a set of carpets out of a 40,000 mile Superbird to get all the jute location off of, which brings up a question of the original jute material. What the original stuff was made out of in the 60's and 70's is now basically illegal to put on carpet due to its flammability, so unless they can dye what we have been using on repro carpet for 25 years we will have to live with what we have. I hope to have the other carpets fitted tomorrow and will be able to give a good time frame that we will be able to sell these carpets without a hitch and will be as close as we have ever been to concours carpet. BTW, you will have to trim the carpets around the front and sides as with the change in molders we have instructed them not to trim anything off of the carpets when they are in the mold, so unlike the previous sets we had problems with this will not be an issue, and before anything is said by anyone, I will stand firmly behind this claim because the set that is in the Superbird right now there is approx. 8-9" up the firewall.
Posted By: Showtime
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/23/07 09:26 PM
Here is a picture of how much is outside the door jambs.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/23/07 09:36 PM
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which brings up a question of the original jute material. What the original stuff was made out of in the 60's and 70's is now basically illegal to put on carpet due to its flammability, so unless they can dye what we have been using on repro carpet for 25 years we will have to live with what we have.
If the "correct" jute is not available/legal, how about a replacement backing that's at least the proper thickness? That 1/4" thick foam most have now is nowhere nearly as thick as original and is part of the current fitment problem IMO.
Posted By: Showtime
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/24/07 12:50 AM
The problem with fitment is not necessarily the thinness of the jute but (1) the placement and (2) the manufacturers haven't always anything to go by or someone like myself harping on them about flaws, defects,correctness,etc. so now that I have been doing alot of this on my own, I have listened for years about what the general public and restoration shops like myself want, and with that being said I am trying as hard and diligently to get as many things corrected as I humanly can but I still know that when the dust settles there will be someone who is not going to be satisfied and for that I will apologize now because I will probaly forget later. While I am on my soapbox, for those of you that don't know who I am, for those that have been in this business for more than 15 or 20 years you know my Parents, John and Vicki McBryde that started Motor Parts South, I am Geoff their youngest son (and the owner of Showtime Restorations) that went to most of the shows with them, a little over a year ago Dad decided that he wanted to retire, well really retire from answering the phone, as he still works in the shop everyday but he has the freedom to come and go alot easier, but he still has input in alot of the daily decisions, but I am resposible for the business now so that he has the freedom to do what he wants to. So with all this said I will continue to work on developing this product for the better of the MOPAR world but just keep in mind that I am only human.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/24/07 01:50 AM
Whats the chances of the carpet being shipped flat if a dozen or so people from the same area agreed on a commercial shipping location? Or perhaps a vendor order being shipped flat, simalar to how the factory would have recieved carpets????
BTW Thanks for your efforts on this, crappy carpets are kinda a pet peeve of mine...
Posted By: 75RoadRunner
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/24/07 07:39 AM
What is the chance of making some thing that will fit a 75-79 b-body? If you order carpet for one of these cars, you get 71-74 b-body carpet, and it just does not fit. This is a one piece carpet for these cars, and everyone sells two piece sets. I have my original carpet that I would be willing to let you use as a pattern if you are interested.
Posted By: RestoRick
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/24/07 12:02 PM
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which brings up a question of the original jute material. What the original stuff was made out of in the 60's and 70's is now basically illegal to put on carpet due to its flammability, so unless they can dye what we have been using on repro carpet for 25 years we will have to live with what we have.
If the "correct" jute is not available/legal, how about a replacement backing that's at least the proper thickness? That 1/4" thick foam most have now is nowhere nearly as thick as original and is part of the current fitment problem IMO.
I don't know if it's even possible, buuuuuut...
would it be possible to offer (even if a special order), carpet without the padding? (For goofs like me that want to shave the original jute padding and reuse it on the new carpet )
Maybe that's not feasible with your contour molding... I don't know at what point the pad is glued on.
Will you be using ECS as your exclusive distributor?
Put me down as interested in distributing if you decide you need multiple locations.
Rick 
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/24/07 05:27 PM
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I don't know if it's even possible, buuuuuut...
would it be possible to offer (even if a special order), carpet without the padding? (For goofs like me that want to shave the original jute padding and reuse it on the new carpet )
Maybe that's not feasible with your contour molding... I don't know at what point the pad is glued on.
Will you be using ECS as your exclusive distributor?
Put me down as interested in distributing if you decide you need multiple locations.
I'm with Rick on this one, the original padding can often times be saved and comes off pretty easily intact if you are careful. Even if not re-usable most are still good enough to make a pattern from which can be transferred onto a piece of (appropriate thickness) foam carpet backing that could be glued on to the new carpet set.
Please put my hat in the ring for a West Coast vendor.
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Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!!
You might want to tone down the "Exact" part of your description, I'm sure these will beat anything that's currently on the market, but calling what has been shown so far "Factory Exact" is a bit of an exageration IMO
Posted By: rocketresto
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/24/07 07:45 PM
I'll be a third wanting to buy carpets without the backing. I also reuse original jute when possible.
Mike
Posted By: Paul Jacobs
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/25/07 01:12 AM
Yet another vote here for carpet without padding-I bought some NOS jute padding this year that I would rather use.
Thanks for your efforts!
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/25/07 03:52 AM
When it is molded from an original factory floor pan, has the correct factory nylon loop pattern, uses the correct factory style toe pad and matches the correct factory color, what would you suggest it be described as? Keep in mind that all the factory correct features or proper dimensions or authentic look, (or whatever adjective you feel comfortable with) will never be represented if the installation is done in a hap hazard manner. It will still need to be cut and tailored to provide a “factory exact” look. Hopefully we can all refrain from premature judgment until the final product has actually been released. That would be the time to accurately access which description is correct or not. I am certainly optimistic and eager to see the final results! Thanks again to Motor Parts South for their efforts to assist the Mopar hobby in this area.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/25/07 04:07 AM
I was sort of expecting a reply like this
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what would you suggest it be described as?
How about "Very Accurate"?
To me "exact" is just that, could be confused with an NOS part right out of the box. Carpet sets that require trimming and have different backing do not qualify IMO. However......Please don't take my comments as being overly negative, I'm on your side believe me, I'm just being realistic. IMO the term "Exact" is an overused term when it comes to reproduction parts, I'm sure you of all people can understand that.
Anyway, I 100% support thier efforts, hopefully they will be all we've been hoping for. One thing is a certainty, we sure need a better option when it comes to replacement carpet.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/25/07 03:52 PM
I understand what you mean Scott. I personally do not get upset or distracted if someone uses a different adjective to describe the same subject or concept. As long as I know the reality of a situation the semantics are just an incidental point. Motor Parts South have been involved with this project for many months and have invested significant funds along the way. I know the suggestions are sincere with regards to carpet changes but it is difficult when this is factored into the equation before the actual product has even been released. The costs to alter a manufacturing process can be very expensive and difficult. By not being familiar with the manufacturing process one might think that leaving off a step (padding) might be a cost saving factor when in reality the production cost might end up being considerably more. Again I am grateful for what the McBrydes have done in this area for the restoration market. I believe that the original purpose for correct fitting and appearing carpet has just about been resolved. Once this is completed, other variations will hopefully become a reality to the restoration market.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/25/07 06:13 PM
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How about "Very Accurate"?
funnny how these subjects become everyone’s bully pit to control this or that. Here is the definition of exact:
Exact
adjective
Definition: accurate
Synonyms: bull's-eye*, careful, clear, clear-cut, correct, dead on*, definite, distinct, downright, explicit, express, faithful, faultless, identical, literal, literal, methodical, nailed down*, nice, on target*, orderly, particular, perfect, precise, right, right on*, rigorous, sharp, specific, true, unequivocal, unerring, veracious, verbal, verbatim, very
Antonyms: inexact, inaccurate, approximate, rough, imprecise, wrong
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1)
Copyright © 2007 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
* = informal or slang
tomato; tamato Can’t we ever just stay on the subject. For everyone that wants this stuff changed before it even is here; GO DO IT YOURSELF! That is what these guys are doing. If most people would spend as much time really helping as they do hiding behind their keyboard and pointing fingers, things might really make some progress. I don’t remember seeing any rules that say these guys are the only businesses or individuals that should be able to help us Mopar guys.
Mr Harms, I noticed some of your descriptions about your products on your web link.
Pistol Grip Top Lenses - “Exact factory fonts, shift pattern & dotted contour.”
1970 & 1971 'Cuda Convertible Belt Moldings - "Same Contours and Sharp Lines as NOS Originals."
OEM Woodgrain Pistol Grips - “these look and feel like NOS parts”
Pistol Grip Bezels - “Exact duplicates of the originals”
All Steel 1967 RO/WO Super Stock Hemi Hood Scoops - “...Hood Scoops are 100% Correct to OEM!!!”
the pot calling the kettle black eh? Shouldn’t throw rocks when you yourself live in a glass house.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/25/07 06:30 PM
Well Mr. Incognito...
You might want to follow your own advice:
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tomato; tamato Can’t we ever just stay on the subject. For everyone that wants this stuff changed before it even is here; GO DO IT YOURSELF! That is what these guys are doing. If most people would spend as much time really helping as they do hiding behind their keyboard and pointing fingers, things might really make some progress. I don’t remember seeing any rules that say these guys are the only businesses or individuals that should be able to help us Mopar guys.
Your first and only post on Moparts? Welcome to the site, whoever you are!
You obviously missed the parts of my posts where I praised and welcomed thier efforts? 
Concerning the statements on our website, feel free to compare the parts mentioned with originals, if you disagree with any of them feel free to debate them but we stand behind those claims (but please do so on another/new thread as it's off topic concerning these carpet sets). At any rate I don't need to go into a detailed retort with you, Dave and the others who posted above know where I'm comming from concerning the carpets, nuff said.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/25/07 07:05 PM
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Concerning the statements on our website, feel free to compare the parts mentioned with originals, if you disagree with any of them feel free to debate them but we stand behind those claims (but please do so on another/new thread as it's off topic concerning these carpet sets). At any rate I don't need to go into a detailed retort with you, Dave and the others who posted above know where I'm comming from concerning the carpets, nuff said.
You missed the point. You asked for someone to change their description when yours are basically the same. Oh wait, I get it. If its changed to "exact factory" that makes it OK? It looks like quite a few changes to your website are in order.
Posted By: ErikR
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/25/07 07:28 PM
Posted By: 70challrtse
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/25/07 07:59 PM
Two posts in and my fellow Dallasite is already mixing it up. We are feisty down here in Big D.
Posted By: belv2vert66
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/25/07 08:16 PM
However, notice the sceen name, I am guessing it is someone else.....
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 12:05 AM
Posted By: sixbbl69
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 12:23 AM
these guys can dish it out but when you question thier parts they can't take it. they cry and whine like little kids. who ever the new guy is keep it up. and that factory exact thing, yeh right. where do you come up with this?its called aftermarket.reproduction that does not look like original.you guys have a good day.
keep up the good work stranger
Posted By: Alaska_A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 12:43 AM
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these guys can dish it out but when you question thier parts they can't take it. they cry and whine like little kids. who ever the new guy is keep it up. and that factory exact thing, yeh right. where do you come up with this?its called aftermarket.reproduction that does not look like original.you guys have a good day. keep up the good work stranger
Jerry,
You aren't trying to get the thread locked are you? Does read a bit like a sales pitch though.
Posted By: beepbeep
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 12:48 AM
What a hypocrite. No wonder the Mopar hobby does not progress.
Posted By: beepbeep
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 12:49 AM
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these guys can dish it out but when you question thier parts they can't take it. they cry and whine like little kids. who ever the new guy is keep it up. and that factory exact thing, yeh right. where do you come up with this?its called aftermarket.reproduction that does not look like original.you guys have a good day. keep up the good work stranger
Jerry,
You aren't trying to get the thread locked are you? Does read a bit like a sales pitch though.
I will, what an idiot.
Posted By: Showtime
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 01:05 AM
O.K guys enough is enough. I have never came on here and called the carpet"exact" because no matter how hard you try nothing is ever the same way twice. I am however trying to get the carpet manufactured as close as possible to original, and with that said it can never be exact. However we have been doing some in depth R&D and the carpet comes out a whole lot more defined when the jute is not being attached in the molding process, so as of right now we are prototyping not attaching the jute and putting it in separately. I will keep all of you posted and I ask that all of those involved in the mudslinging just relax and calm down because had I known it was going to cause all of this I would have never gone through the trouble. And for those who have never endured trying to get something done the most accurate way compared to original, everybody has their definition of original. So please be patient and I hope to have a product that the majority will be more than happy with and will be a product that will be alot closer than we have ever had.
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these guys can dish it out but when you question thier parts they can't take it. they cry and whine like little kids. who ever the new guy is keep it up. and that factory exact thing, yeh right. where do you come up with this?its called aftermarket.reproduction that does not look like original.you guys have a good day. keep up the good work stranger
Jerry,
You aren't trying to get the thread locked are you? Does read a bit like a sales pitch though.
I will, what an idiot.
Posted By: Showtime
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 01:10 AM
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not to mention factory carpet was ever folded, crumpled and stuffed into a box the size of a milk jug either.
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good point Bill, I remember my 69 charger I picked up at the dealer in 69 with 0 miles, everytime I would vacuum it I would complain about the small wrinkle it had near the gas pedal. I once thought there was somthing under it left by the workers, eventualy I forgot about it and then it was gone, completely gone......
This is a reply from another post, this gentleman had a Charger new in 69 and he even states that it had a wrinkle in it when he bought it new.
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 01:16 AM
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 01:40 AM
Geoff,
The wording “exact” was used by me. It was in no way meant to create the storm that has developed. I have worked with the Ford, GM and Chrysler groups for approximately 12 years. In those 12 years I could COMBINE the negativity I have experienced with the Ford and GM groups and it would not scratch the surface of what I have experienced from a VERY SMALL segment of the Mopar group. (We even discussed this.) Most normal people appreciate when a kind gesture is offered towards their cause or benefit. I believe some of the negative people who post on here would complain about the type of boat you showed up with (to rescue them) if they were drowning. They are also the same individuals that would tell Babe Ruth how to hit home runs if they were given the chance! Sorry if the description caused any grief Geoff. Like I said, a few individuals are just looking to complain about anything they can. Keep up the good work! You are an asset to the hobby and the end results will speak for themselves. Thanks again for the extra effort regarding this cumbersome project.
Dave Walden
ECS
Posted By: AZ-Nick
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 02:25 AM
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good point Bill, I remember my 69 charger I picked up at the dealer in 69 with 0 miles, everytime I would vacuum it I would complain about the small wrinkle it had near the gas pedal. I once thought there was somthing under it left by the workers, eventualy I forgot about it and then it was gone, completely gone......
This is a reply from another post, this gentleman had a Charger new in 69 and he even states that it had a wrinkle in it when he bought it new.
This was me and as I was reading your reply I said to myself, there were others....... Then I read it was my quote..... 
As the owner of Nicks I do sell a lot of carpets and yes, NONE are perfect, or shall I say none are exact, and each manufacture has an issue or flaw with there carpet that is why it is called a reproduction.....
But every 5 out of 10 calls I get from customers, I always get asked "I want the original looking and fitting carpet you sell"...... That is a time bomb waiting to happen, when I tell them my opinion on the different carpets out there, some will understand and 1 or 2 will say, "Sorry, I was told by @@@@@ that this is an exact to the original so I am buying it from them".... See ya, I would rather loose a sale then to sell and hear about it later, some people will complain about the food they are eating even when it is free.....
And yes I am following this post as close as anyone else, I too am looking for the best carpet to sell......
Posted By: Hemiken
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 03:08 AM
I'm looking for the best carpet to buy
I do not know what the issue is. time will tell who has the best carpet available after all the R&D.
I remember an article i read in one of the Mopar magazines about a guy with a Black 70 Hemi'Cuda with Tan interior that sent back three carpets until it was sorted out and that car is immaculate and i bet if you looked inside that car today the carpet has settled down and looks as if it had never been replaced.
That's my
worth.
Posted By: Showtime
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 12:02 PM
I was not referring to the boxing of the carpets but the fact that you bought a new charger and that even it wasn't perfect from the factory. Right now the carpet out of the Superbird I referred to earlier is at the molders, and even it looks like a drunk fitted and installed the carpet. And in reference to the guy with the Cuda in the magazine we all remember the firestorm about the under restored Cuda (Lime Green) and the over restored Cuda (Black). I have been priveleged to have had a individual that was into Mopars before they were popular, and had to disect cars to salvage parts before the word reproduction ever came along, and from that I have had the unfortunate luxury to see alot of original cars and the carpets in them, and believe you me they were not going for fit and finish points at a car show back then. So with that said like I said in an earlier post there are going to be some people who are not going to like the carpets for one reason or another and that is okay. I forgot to answer one of the questions yesterday, right now we are at least offering to send the carpet at the very least folded in half but we ar looking into send ing them flat in a box, the shiipping is going to be higher but we are trying to accomodate all of you that want it shipped that way, so we are making some progress in at least getting it shipped the way alot of people want it shipped.
Posted By: KARLN
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 12:35 PM
How can we expect suppliers to spend their time, money and efforts in developing or improving proudcts for our hobby if everytime they do they get bombarded with criticism.
Posted By: BS27ROB
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 12:45 PM
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I remember an article i read in one of the Mopar magazines about a guy with a Black 70 Hemi'Cuda with Tan interior that sent back three carpets until it was sorted out and that car is immaculate and i bet if you looked inside that car today the carpet has settled down and looks as if it had never been replaced.
That's my worth.
That guy started this thread so he should be able to let you know.
Posted By: Hemiken
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 01:38 PM
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I remember an article i read in one of the Mopar magazines about a guy with a Black 70 Hemi'Cuda with Tan interior that sent back three carpets until it was sorted out and that car is immaculate and i bet if you looked inside that car today the carpet has settled down and looks as if it had never been replaced.
That's my worth.
That guy started this thread so he should be able to let you know.
Really 
I did not know that
Message to ECS - Do you still own the car in question and what are the chances of you posting some pictures of the carpet that is in that Hemi'Cuda please.... If you don't mind of course. How long ago was the carpet fitted in it aswell ? 
Just curious to see if the carpet has settled down, that is of course if you have drivin it ? Carpet will not finish forming in the car if their is no engine or road heat from being drivin, naturally. 
Posted By: srt
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 03:05 PM
Will there be carpet available for console sides as well?
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 04:00 PM
I see 45 replys to this thread.
Where is the dead horse when you need him?
Let it go,you will never get the answer you want!
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 04:00 PM
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I remember an article i read in one of the Mopar magazines about a guy with a Black 70 Hemi'Cuda with Tan interior that sent back three carpets until it was sorted out and that car is immaculate and i bet if you looked inside that car today the carpet has settled down and looks as if it had never been replaced.
Message to ECS - Do you still own the car in question and what are the chances of you posting some pictures of the carpet that is in that Hemi'Cuda please.... If you don't mind of course. How long ago was the carpet fitted in it aswell ? Just curious to see if the carpet has settled down, that is of course if you have drivin it ? Carpet will not finish forming in the car if their is no engine or road heat from being drivin, naturally.
That story sounds vaguely familiar. (It was actually five sets.) To get that carpet I started with Year Ones VP Kevin King, who involved Auto Custom Carpets in the ordeal. After months of back and forth special manufacturing instructions, I had a set of carpet that fit perfect along with the correct factory color. I never was satisfied with the loop density however. Fast forward to 2005. I started the Challenger project and went from ACC to a different company who made a superior material. National Parts Depot’s Darrin Dewey, set me up with a company named ACS Dorsett. They do not sell to the public but were willing to work with me and my project through a company called Trim Parts. ACS Dorsett manufactures the best carpet material available to the public! Randall Bates informed me that Trim Parts had been acquired by ACC so they would no longer be operating under the Trim Parts title. From there I called John & Geoff McBryde of Motor Parts South to inquire about their involvement in this process. The McBryde’s were already involved with this project long before I met them. They were aware of my project and were willing to work with me where the others had left off. That is the order of events that have taken place thus far. Yes, the old carpet worked during that period in time but will not be near the quality of that offered by Motor Parts South. I have never driven the car since it’s completion so heat has not been a factor regarding the fit. It went in extremely well because I had it shipped flat and also replaced the padding on the back. I found a large NOS stash from a local upholsterer. The padding that comes with most carpet is half as thick as the original and that is why most carpet starts to look distorted over time. And yes, I still have the car.
For the usual experts and naysayers that follow up on my posts, please let me save you the time!
* The interior is all wrong on that car.
* The car isn’t close to being what an original should look like.
* I know guys that have cars that wouldn’t use that vehicle for a demolition derby.
* The detail is completely out of whack and incorrect.
* The goofball owner doesn’t drive the car. Why even own it?
Hopefully that will help a few people to enjoy their day a little more.
Posted By: Alaska_A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 04:46 PM
I couldn't see the dipstick. Is it Orange or Black?
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 05:10 PM
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I couldn't see the dipstick. Is it Orange or Black?
Posted By: Fasbird
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 05:13 PM
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I couldn't see the dipstick. Is it Orange or Black?
The handle? It's white...
Posted By: Rynos69
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 05:31 PM
stupid A12 guys!!
Posted By: RJS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 05:34 PM
Dave (ECS) and Motor Parts South, thankyou for all this effort and I'll be purchasing once your all finalized. If company's like this didn't exist and try, we would all lose out in the end!! Ron
Posted By: mk_
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 06:06 PM
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Dave (ECS) and Motor Parts South, thankyou for all this effort and I'll be purchasing once your all finalized. If company's like this didn't exist and try, we would all lose out in the end!! Ron
.......and I appreciate the option of being able to be shipped flat........thank you!
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 06:11 PM
Thanks guys but the credit goes to the folks at Motor Parts South. (John and Geoff McBryde) They are responsible for all the tough work that has gone into this project!
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 07:49 PM
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Randall Bates informed me that Trim Parts had been acquired by ACC so they would no longer be operating under the Trim Parts title.
ACC's answer to a competitor producing a better product...Buy em Out!!! I sincerely hope when This carpet is ready for market It remains avalible rather then be "aquired by ACC"..
BYW If I haven't mentioned it Thanks to John & Geoff McBryde for their efforts in making this happen!! 
Posted By: JF_Moparts
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 10:28 PM
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For the usual experts and naysayers that follow up on my posts, please let me save you the time!
* The interior is all wrong on that car.
* The car isn’t close to being what an original should look like.
* I know guys that have cars that wouldn’t use that vehicle for a demolition derby.
* The detail is completely out of whack and incorrect.
* The goofball owner doesn’t drive the car. Why even own it?
Hopefully that will help a few people to enjoy their day a little more.
And you're missing an air cleaner.
- Jim
Posted By: Showtime
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 10:31 PM
FYI ACS/Dorsett was aquired by Auto Custom Carpets, and I appreciate all the acolades but lets not put the cart in front of the horse quite yet, we fitted more carpets today and are going to mold a set with no jute on the back during the molding process to see if it gives more definition , and then they are going to fold it in half and ship it that way just as a dry run to see what we lose in shipping as far as quality. I will keep all of you updated as I can in between fittings and phone calls.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/26/07 10:50 PM
When the time comes for A-body carpet and you need a guinea pig I have a clean 1971 Duster (4 speed) car, I'll be happy to help out any way I can trial fitting for you.
Posted By: Hemiken
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/27/07 02:09 AM
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ACC's answer to a competitor producing a better product...Buy em Out!!! I sincerely hope when This carpet is ready for market It remains avalible rather then be "aquired by ACC"..
BTW If I haven't mentioned it Thanks to John & Geoff McBryde for their efforts in making this happen!!
with 1_WILD_RT totally
I am looking forward to the finished product.
Posted By: srt
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/27/07 02:56 PM
I am in the market for just what showtime and ecs is offering, If there is not enough "trimmings" for use on the console sides, I'd like them to offer that material as well. Plus since my padding was pulled back in the 60's in a street-racers lightening effort I'd like to see what they can supply for that as well. Please add my name to a list of people that want a black carpet with correct thickness backing for a 68 b body 2 dr, shipped flat, with enough material for console sides. As soon as it's available.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/27/07 04:12 PM
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I am in the market for just what showtime and ecs is offering, If there is not enough "trimmings" for use on the console sides, I'd like them to offer that material as well. Plus since my padding was pulled back in the 60's in a street-racers lightening effort I'd like to see what they can supply for that as well. Please add my name to a list of people that want a black carpet with correct thickness backing for a 68 b body 2 dr, shipped flat, with enough material for console sides. As soon as it's available.
Consider cost for shipping flat!
Posted By: srt
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/27/07 05:37 PM
In the big picture it really won't add that much...
Whatever the shipping cost is, it'll be wort it to me.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/27/07 06:42 PM
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In the big picture it really won't add that much...
Whatever the shipping cost is, it'll be wort it to me.
I'll second that!
Posted By: 44D6PAKCUDA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/27/07 07:08 PM
Thank You.Just let us know when they are ready to ship.
Posted By: sixbbl69
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 01:25 AM
i can't see 1 reason why you would want a flat carpet delivered in a box as big as a hood. if you know what you are doing it is very easy to install a carpet rolled up in a box.what next vinyl top delivered in a flat box as big as a car?????can't you just picture what the box and carpet are going to look like by the time it gets to your door????????
Posted By: JulesdaWiperman
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 03:28 AM
It'll be just as big as the box for your replacement hood. What's the big deal?
Do you have ANY constructive comments or ideas to post or have you maxed out?
Jules
Posted By: Mastershake340
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 03:53 AM
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 04:04 AM
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i can't see 1 reason why you would want a flat carpet delivered in a box as big as a hood. if you know what you are doing it is very easy to install a carpet rolled up in a box.what next vinyl top delivered in a flat box as big as a car?????can't you just picture what the box and carpet are going to look like by the time it gets to your door????????
The great thing about living in this country is you are free to do whatever you please! Sixbbl69; feel free to burn your carpet or use it for a cat litter box if you wish. What you choose to do is of no concern or business of anyone but yourself. I am wondering why other people's choices (that have no hindrance or impact on you) seem to bother you so much? By the way, do you even own a car or did someone just crown you the Mopar Chief of Police?
Posted By: Iceman01
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 04:35 AM
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I am wondering why other people's choices (that have no hindrance or impact on you) seem to bother you so much? By the way, do you even own a car or did someone just crown you the Mopar Chief of Police?
All good points Dave. We've all seen Tom boot people with unfriendly attitudes like this in the past. Given this guy's propensity for non-constructive posts that do nothing except stir up controversy, I would think his days are likely numbered too... 
Posted By: Alaska_A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 04:57 AM
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I am wondering why other people's choices (that have no hindrance or impact on you) seem to bother you so much? By the way, do you even own a car or did someone just crown you the Mopar Chief of Police?
All good points Dave. We've all seen Tom boot people with unfriendly attitudes like this in the past. Given this guy's propensity for non-constructive posts that do nothing except stir up controversy, I would think his days are likely numbered too...
Actuality Jerry and I have gone round and round a few times in the past. Perhaps if you want to petition Tom to ban him then perhaps you should also petition that I should also be banned
Free speech is never something you wish to see in the U.S. …..eh (as our Canadian friends might add.)
I just wonder why this thread, which does not offer anyone resotration inforamtion other than the hope of something from a vendor in the future is even allowed in the "Resrtoration and A12 Forum" to begin with?
Course I'm not selling anything!!
Posted By: nomore65BelvJim
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 06:30 AM
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I just wonder why this thread, which does not offer anyone resotration inforamtion other than the hope of something from a vendor in the future is even allowed in the "Resrtoration and A12 Forum" to begin with?
it should be in the "hot deals & new products" forum.
Posted By: sixbbl69
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 12:17 PM
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It'll be just as big as the box for your replacement hood. What's the big deal?
Do you have ANY constructive comments or ideas to post or have you maxed out?
Jules
i don't understand jules as i was asking a question and giving my opinion does this offend you? this is about a carpet and thats part of restoring my car.
Posted By: 6packattk
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 12:36 PM
I am an A-12 guy with his superbee still having original interior and am sooooo glad i didn`t buy carpet yet,was going to from Nicks to support Moparts people about 3 weeks ago.If you need original 69 b-body pattern that doesn`t completely fall apart,will gladly supply.Am thankful there is people out there who care about quality and am eagerly awaiting final production.thankyou and keep up the good work,no show poodles here,gets used and abused like intended.
Posted By: JulesdaWiperman
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 12:48 PM
Dave, all at Motor Parts South and others keep up the GREAT work in trying to constantly improve the products.
Thank you for investing your time and money in these ventures which eventually will benefit everyone.
Your efforts are appreciated by many.
Jules
Posted By: 44D6PAKCUDA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 01:14 PM
Posted By: Mastershake340
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 03:28 PM
I am looking forward to buying one for my Challenger project. Accurate carpet is a much need item!! Now when will someone come out with a correct trunk mat.
Anyone want to buy a new rolled up in box Legendary carpet set I won't be using??
Posted By: 2fast4yourBrain
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 05:21 PM
Just curious...if the padding isn't thick enough, can you just put some Dynamat down to make up for it? I plan on doing that anyways to get the car quieter w/less heat and who cares about originality UNDERNEATH the carpet if it fits good?
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 09:35 PM
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resotration inforamtion "Resrtoration"
????
I thought carpeting was part of a restoration. Now someone can't mention specifics?
"Free speech is never something you wish to see in the U.S. …..eh"
Guess things like free speech are supposed to be dictated by those who don't like what is being said.
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/28/07 11:23 PM
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resotration inforamtion "Resrtoration"
????
I thought carpeting was part of a restoration. Now someone can't mention specifics?
"Free speech is never something you wish to see in the U.S. …..eh"
Guess things like free speech are supposed to be dictated by those who don't like what is being said.
I usually don't get into debates.There is nothing wrong with free speech,however when you beat a subject to death,it gets old real quick! If some produces what you want,buy it and move on or wait untill what you want is availiable..It doesn't need to go on forever.
As far as Jerry is concerned,if you read his posts,most make sense even though some will always debate him.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 02:28 AM
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however when you beat a subject to death,it gets old real quick!
Was the subject considered beaten "to death" before or after your responses?
Posted By: Iceman01
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 03:37 AM
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...As far as Jerry is concerned,if you read his posts,most make sense even though some will always debate him.
Please don't tell me that because "Jerry" has an A12, that he is just a good old boy and that we all have to give him a free pass for his obnoxious tendencies. Maybe he used to get a free pass from within the safe confines of the somewhat exclusive A12 forum, but times have changed.
And while we're on the subject of pet peeves, I wonder how many of those whining about their precious freedom of keyboard have actually worn a uniform in combat, lined up their gunsights on a bad guy and pulled the trigger while rounds were popping all around them and people were getting killed?
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 03:52 AM
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And while we're on the subject of pet peeves, I wonder how many of those whining about their precious freedom of keyboard have actually worn a uniform in combat, lined up their gunsights on a bad guy and pulled the trigger while rounds were popping all around them and people were getting killed?
Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Posted By: Hemiken
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 07:39 AM
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And while we're on the subject of pet peeves, I wonder how many of those whining about their precious freedom of keyboard have actually worn a uniform in combat, lined up their gunsights on a bad guy and pulled the trigger while rounds were popping all around them and people were getting killed?
Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Maybe he just wants the "Truth".................
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 09:36 AM
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And while we're on the subject of pet peeves, I wonder how many of those whining about their precious freedom of keyboard have actually worn a uniform in combat, lined up their gunsights on a bad guy and pulled the trigger while rounds were popping all around them and people were getting killed?
Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Amen!
Posted By: sixbbl69
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 12:40 PM
chris,who said i have an A12 ? and you are right i have obnoxious tendencies.i can't figure out what happened to me . i was a nice guy then all of a sudden i bought a E- body. next thing i know i was a obnoxious know it all.the doctors that have been treating me at the VA for the last 34 years can't figure it out either.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 03:37 PM
I wouldn’t call yourself obnoxious. Maybe just a little misunderstood because some people may not know much about you. For instance, did a little short or big yellow school bus pick you up when you were a kid?
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 04:03 PM
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I wouldn’t call yourself obnoxious. Maybe just a little misunderstood because some people may not know much about you. For instance, did a little short or big yellow school bus pick you up when you were a kid?
Heres mine!!
Posted By: Alaska_A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 04:27 PM
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I wouldn’t call yourself obnoxious. Maybe just a little misunderstood because some people may not know much about you. For instance, did a little short or big yellow school bus pick you up when you were a kid?
I wonder if this thread would have been locked long ago (for obvious reasons) if someone wasn't peddling carpet?
Posted By: RapidRunner
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 05:09 PM
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...As far as Jerry is concerned,if you read his posts,most make sense even though some will always debate him.
Please don't tell me that because "Jerry" has an A12, that he is just a good old boy and that we all have to give him a free pass for his obnoxious tendencies. Maybe he used to get a free pass from within the safe confines of the somewhat exclusive A12 forum, but times have changed.
And while we're on the subject of pet peeves, I wonder how many of those whining about their precious freedom of keyboard have actually worn a uniform in combat, lined up their gunsights on a bad guy and pulled the trigger while rounds were popping all around them and people were getting killed?
Boy you must have been dancing naked in the streets when they closed down the A12 forum 
Posted By: Fasbird
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 06:05 PM
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chris,who said i have an A12 ? and you are right i have obnoxious tendencies.i can't figure out what happened to me . i was a nice guy then all of a sudden i bought a E- body. next thing i know i was a obnoxious know it all.the doctors that have been treating me at the VA for the last 34 years can't figure it out either.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 10:51 PM
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I wonder if this thread would have been locked long ago (for obvious reasons) if someone wasn't peddling carpet?
No, a more rational explanation would be that the MODs are actually enjoying seeing the instigators squirm when they see their reflections exposed by means of a different mirror.
Step right up and get your genuine, imitation, original, replica, imported, domestic, authentic, reproduction, .......
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 11:09 PM
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I wonder if this thread would have been locked long ago (for obvious reasons) if someone wasn't peddling carpet?
No, a more rational explanation would be that the MODs are actually enjoying seeing the instigators squirm when they see their reflections exposed by means of a different mirror.
Step right up and get your genuine, imitation, original, replica, imported, domestic, authentic, reproduction, .......
I really don't see anyone squirming,maybe some trying to justify.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 11:25 PM
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I really don't see anyone squirming,maybe some trying to justify.
Lets see now….. more than 4 years; over $7K invested; approximately 260 working hours (plus) and zero return on investment. Could you please repeat what you seem to think you know about someone's justification? And by the way, what is the name of your seeing eye dog?
Posted By: MrNormsTA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/29/07 11:45 PM
What is the big deal? If it weren't for guys like Dave and others, the repop market would be a fraction of where it is today. These guys strive to bring to market, the most correct pieces and a lot of us benefit, even a guy like myself who isn't a correct freak, but would much rather have something better to put on his car, than just something okay, thanks.
Rick.
Posted By: GoManGo70Bee
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 12:02 AM
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What is the big deal? If it weren't for guys like Dave and others, the repop market would be a fraction of where it is today. These guys strive to bring to market, the most correct pieces and a lot of us benefit, even a guy like myself who isn't a correct freak, but would much rather have something better to put on his car, than just something okay, thanks.
Rick.
Aint that the truth!!!!!! I welcome ANYBODY making correct products!! We can only benefit. I think most questions should be held until the FINAL product is released. THEN, ask away!!!
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 12:59 AM
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I think most questions should be held until the FINAL product is released. THEN, ask away!!!
Well,it took 98 posts for someone to come up with a common sense answer.
Posted By: Alaska_A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 01:29 AM
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I really don't see anyone squirming,maybe some trying to justify.
Lets see now….. more than 4 years; over $7K invested; approximately 260 working hours (plus) and zero return on investment.
So there is no "FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!!" ?
Then why did you start the thread?
Posted By: Mike Mancini
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 02:10 AM
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I really don't see anyone squirming,maybe some trying to justify.
Lets see now….. more than 4 years; over $7K invested; approximately 260 working hours (plus) and zero return on investment.
So there is no "FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!!" ?
Then why did you start the thread?
I can't help but notice every time ECS starts a thread, all the children come out of the woodwork to start a fight. The original intent of this thread as I see it was to inform of a new carpet product that will far exceed anything currently on the market. I for one welcome and anxiously await to see this new product. I also thank all that are involved in this project for trying to put out a product that will only improve the overall quality of restoration. For all the little babys that keep filling this board with hot air, please refrain. Let's see you guys step up to the plate and R&D a superior product.
M. Mancini
Posted By: BJohnson
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 02:23 AM
I thought all the A12 cars came with rubber floor mats.
Posted By: sg333e
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 02:36 AM
Perfectly Stated, Thanks!
Seriously if people have nothing constructive to add,
Maybe the A-12 board should be restored so the cage matches can continue in their own contained area.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 03:29 AM
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Lets see now….. more than 4 years; over $7K invested; approximately 260 working hours (plus) and zero return on investment.
So there is no "FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!!" ?
Then why did you start the thread?
Please tell me that you did not waste your money on an Economics course in College! Are you really that naive regarding the ramp up period for ROI and how it relates to new products in the market place? That has to be one of the most pitiful attempts to paraphrase or twist a statement that I have ever seen in my life. For the other interested parties that can understand simple English, here are some other products that we have allocated a large amount of time and are working towards completion. (Did you get that Alaskan a12? Since they have not yet been offered there has not been an opportunity for return on investment.) In 2008 we should have factory exact exhaust systems for all B & E Body vehicles. We are also working to complete package trays that incorporate the correct shape and texture of the originals. Just to set things straight, I was not born with a reproduction motto on my birth certificate. I had the need for quality products, for my own cars and decided to do something about it. I chose to use my efforts for that cause and for helping other people who were facing the same dilemma. It was better than feeling sorry for myself and criticizing those who at least made an effort to assist the industry. If you don’t like the way something is being done, grab the bull by the horns and change it. Necessity is certainly the Mother of Invention!
Posted By: Iceman01
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 03:52 AM
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Lets see now….. more than 4 years; over $7K invested; approximately 260 working hours (plus) and zero return on investment.
So there is no "FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!!" ?
Then why did you start the thread?
Please tell me that you did not waste your money on an Economics course in College! Are you really that naive regarding the ramp up period for ROI and how it relates to new products in the market place? That has to be one of the most pitiful attempts to paraphrase or twist a statement that I have ever seen in my life. For the other interested parties that can understand simple English, here are some other products that we have allocated a large amount of time and are working towards completion. (Did you get that Alaskan a12? Since they have not yet been offered there has not been an opportunity for return on investment.) In 2008 we should have factory exact exhaust systems for all B & E Body vehicles. We are also working to complete package trays that incorporate the correct shape and texture of the originals. Just to set things straight, I was not born with a reproduction motto on my birth certificate. I had the need for quality products, for my own cars and decided to do something about it. I chose to use my efforts for that cause and for helping other people who were facing the same dilemma. It was better than feeling sorry for myself and criticizing those who at least made an effort to assist the industry. If you don’t like the way something is being done, grab the bull by the horns and change it. Necessity is certainly the Mother of Invention!
Don't let the nitpickers and naysayers get you down. Not everyone can see what visionary people like yourself and Scott and others see -- that's what sets your efforts apart! And we all benefit from that -- even those who can't grasp it.
Posted By: JulesdaWiperman
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 11:56 AM
The hypocrisy by some of these complainers is SO thick you could cut it with a chainsaw.
These are the same people that once they find out an improved part exists, run out and buy it
and then criticize the quality of the previous offerings. Walk a foot in these investors' shoes and
feel what it means to unload big bucks with the risk of not selling enough to get your money back.
I've tried and believe me it's no picnic. Once again, thank you Dave and others for investing YOUR
money so that you and others can have the best available product.
Jules
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 12:30 PM
As a combat Vietnam Veteran 67-68, I understand and appreciate your service. To keep this on subject, for putting your self on the carpet(line).
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 12:36 PM
Thanks. I am glad that you have undertaken these products and I am waiting for their release. I can't believe that "wording" has started all of the malcontent. Keep up the good work.
Posted By: sixbbl69
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 12:37 PM
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The hypocrisy by some of these complainers is SO thick you could cut it with a chainsaw.
These are the same people that once they find out an improved part exists, run out and buy it
and then criticize the quality of the previous offerings. Walk a foot in these investors' shoes and
feel what it means to unload big bucks with the risk of not selling enough to get your money back.
I've tried and believe me it's no picnic. Once again, thank you Dave and others for investing YOUR
money so that you and others can have the best available product.
Jules
and the broken record plays on and on and on....... and on and on.jules i don't know if you are awhere of it, but nobody cares about this factory exact carpet or anything else dave has to say.this post is just in the way of all the good post we are trying to get to.
Posted By: RJS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 01:33 PM
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The hypocrisy by some of these complainers is SO thick you could cut it with a chainsaw.
These are the same people that once they find out an improved part exists, run out and buy it
and then criticize the quality of the previous offerings. Walk a foot in these investors' shoes and
feel what it means to unload big bucks with the risk of not selling enough to get your money back.
I've tried and believe me it's no picnic. Once again, thank you Dave and others for investing YOUR
money so that you and others can have the best available product.
Jules
and the broken record plays on and on and on....... and on and on.jules i don't know if you are awhere of it, but nobody cares about this factory exact carpet or anything else dave has to say.this post is just in the way of all the good post we are trying to get to.
WRONG!!!!!
Posted By: srt
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 01:40 PM
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other products that we have allocated a large amount of time and are working towards completion: factory exact exhaust systems for all B & E Body vehicles /and/ We are also working to complete package trays that incorporate the correct shape and texture of the originals.
Very cool, I'll be looking forward to these as well.
(I wonder how big the boxes will be... )
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 01:50 PM
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jules i don't know if you are awhere of it
Your attention to detail is without equal sixbbl69. I think the word you attempted to use was
"aware".
I thought maybe it was just an act but you really can't tell the difference between correct and incorrect parts, can you?
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 02:54 PM
Here is a link to a previous post that should help answer your questions. Thanks!
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post3836491
Posted By: Iceman01
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 03:28 PM
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jules i don't know if you are awhere of it
Your attention to detail is without equal sixbbl69. I think the word you attempted to use was
"aware".
I thought maybe it was just an act but you really can't tell the difference between correct and incorrect parts, can you?
Posted By: Sinitro
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 04:40 PM
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The hypocrisy by some of these complainers is SO thick you could cut it with a chainsaw.
These are the same people that once they find out an improved part exists, run out and buy it
and then criticize the quality of the previous offerings. Walk a foot in these investors' shoes and
feel what it means to unload big bucks with the risk of not selling enough to get your money back.
I've tried and believe me it's no picnic. Once again, thank you Dave and others for investing YOUR
money so that you and others can have the best available product.
Jules
Totally agreed!!
The available carpet kits today are junko, low quality..
Why spend 4-6 hours taking the car apart installing the carpet..
Then 1 year later the Black carpet is now Purple, and the carpet is coming unraveled..
To me spending a few $ more in higher quality materials is a better way than having to redo the labor portion..
As pappy said..
Pay now or pay later..
I will order a carpet kit update from Dave when available..
Thanks to Dave..
Posted By: 1fastsixpack
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 05:30 PM
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I will be talking to the guys at Motor Parts later this week. I hope the E Body carpet will be ready in the next few weeks. I don't want to commit an absolute date because they run their own agenda of course. Sorry but I cannot elaborate on any new products they might provide in the near future. I will see if one of the gentleman at MPS will come on here and close the loop regarding some of the questions. Thanks again!
Will the e-body carpets have the oval brass inserts in the rear,were the screw goes into the body?????????I saved mine from the original carpet and used on my new carpet
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 06:57 PM
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The hypocrisy by some of these complainers is SO thick you could cut it with a chainsaw.
These are the same people that once they find out an improved part exists, run out and buy it
and then criticize the quality of the previous offerings. Walk a foot in these investors' shoes and
feel what it means to unload big bucks with the risk of not selling enough to get your money back.
I've tried and believe me it's no picnic. Once again, thank you Dave and others for investing YOUR
money so that you and others can have the best available product.
Jules
Totally agreed!!
The available carpet kits today are junko, low quality..
Why spend 4-6 hours taking the car apart installing the carpet..
Then 1 year later the Black carpet is now Purple, and the carpet is coming unraveled..
To me spending a few $ more in higher quality materials is a better way than having to redo the labor portion..
As pappy said..
Pay now or pay later..
I will order a carpet kit update from Dave when available..
Thanks to Dave..
For what its worth, and its probably not worth anything,my 4spd Superbird has ACC carpet that was put in 15yrs ago.It is still black,not wrinkled and fit like a glove with no trimming.The carpet in my 62 Savoy wagon came from Dante three years ago,[no clue who his supplier is] same thing,no issues.Did something change ?
Posted By: sixbbl69
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 07:15 PM
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jules i don't know if you are awhere of it
Your attention to detail is without equal sixbbl69. I think the word you attempted to use was
"aware".
I thought maybe it was just an act but you really can't tell the difference between correct and incorrect parts, can you?
got my point across.besides i feel better that you are laughing which means you have been taking your meds. i was a little worried yesterday that you were having a breakdown.
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 07:19 PM
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For what its worth, and its probably not worth anything,my 4spd Superbird has ACC carpet that was put in 15yrs ago.It is still black,not wrinkled and fit like a glove with no trimming.The carpet in my 62 Savoy wagon came from Dante three years ago,[no clue who his supplier is] same thing,no issues.Did something change ?
Is your cars' stored indoors all the time?
My ACC carpet was starting to fade in one year from being outdoors. New cars' black carpet doesn't fade that fast.
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 07:33 PM
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For what its worth, and its probably not worth anything,my 4spd Superbird has ACC carpet that was put in 15yrs ago.It is still black,not wrinkled and fit like a glove with no trimming.The carpet in my 62 Savoy wagon came from Dante three years ago,[no clue who his supplier is] same thing,no issues.Did something change ?
Is your cars' stored indoors all the time?
My ACC carpet was starting to fade in one year from being outdoors. New cars' black carpet doesn't fade that fast.
Indoors,as I expect 99% of the ones discussed here also.
c
Posted By: Mike Mancini
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 07:50 PM
Goes to show why the "hooked on phonics" people went under, lousy success rate. Try the speak and spell next time.
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jules i don't know if you are awhere of it
Your attention to detail is without equal sixbbl69. I think the word you attempted to use was
"aware".
I thought maybe it was just an act but you really can't tell the difference between correct and incorrect parts, can you?
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 08:59 PM
Most of us who own Superbirds store them inside.
Posted By: B_Body_Bob
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 09:07 PM
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Most of us who own Superbirds store them inside.
Mine is out back under a holy tarp
Posted By: Chris G
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 09:36 PM
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As many of you know ECS has spent over three years trying to work with various manufacturers in an attempt to solve the problems with quality, fit and appearance of automotive carpeting.
Dave, love the new products coming out, but since I just plunked down cash for a Trim Parts rug a few months ago (still in box), can you tell me what the problem is with their rug compared to the new one the company you use is making?
These days I feel like I am buying a box of Tide...every time I go back to the store, there's a "new and improved" version. When do we get the "final version" on any products? 
Posted By: Kirby
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 09:52 PM
Hey guys- I have a whole new perspective. I totaled my 69' Formula S 340 on Sunday. Had a 80 year old lady pull out in front of me- Broadsided her at 65/70 MPH. No seat belt on- and walked away. My new perspective? Who cares- Have some respect for others- live your life like its the last- and grow up! I'll post some pics tomorrow. Kirby- And oh Yeah- I own and drive a A-12- So what-
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 11:17 PM
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 11:37 PM
I spoke with Geoff McBryde today for about 45 minutes and a question that continues to come up is that of the carpet base or backing material. Some people have said that light can be seen through it if the carpet is held up against lighting of some sort. Please keep in mind that the loop is just as heavy and dense as the original material. When the carpet is installed, the base or backing material will be placed against a solid surface so there will be no “see through” characteristics. Technology has allowed construction to offer a better and stronger binding agent. This will not be a factor with the way the carpet looks or fits during installation. The first set is close to being sent out for evaluation.
For the person that asked how this will be “better” than other examples currently offered, here are the a few of the specifics:
*Denser, more correct loop design.
*Correct toe pad shape and installation.
*Carpet will incorporate extra material for precise cutting and better installation.
*Carpet will be shipped flat to ensure that the preformed material will not be compromised during transit.
Please remember that factory carpet did not arrive at the plant precut and ready to simply lay on the floor pan. The final trim had to be performed and the holes needed to be cut for each specific model and their varying options. No matter what precautions are taken to manufacture excellent carpeting, the final outcome will be determined by the person's artistic and/or installation abilities. Patience is the name of the game when installing it correctly.
Posted By: sixbbl69
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/07 11:54 PM
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jules i don't know if you are awhere of it
Your attention to detail is without equal sixbbl69. I think the word you attempted to use was
"aware".
I thought maybe it was just an act but you really can't tell the difference between correct and incorrect parts, can you?
is dave giving you free parts to???????? have a good day.
Posted By: AZ_A12_BEE
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/31/07 12:27 AM
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My ACC carpet was starting to fade in one year from being outdoors. New cars' black carpet doesn't fade that fast.
My ACC carpet for my vert is still in the original box, I unrolled it and found huge runs in the pile and defects, I for one want someone else I can get my next carpet from
Posted By: sg333e
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/31/07 12:48 AM
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Goes to show why the "hooked on phonics" people went under, lousy success rate. Try the speak and spell next time.
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jules i don't know if you are awhere of it
Your attention to detail is without equal sixbbl69. I think the word you attempted to use was
"aware".
I thought maybe it was just an act but you really can't tell the difference between correct and incorrect parts, can you?
is dave giving you free parts to???????? have a good day.
Nobody needs free anything to realize you are a complete jerkoff with a sub 80 IQ. What's wrong, not enough action in the trailer park these days? Need to come to Moparts to get your thrills?
Posted By: JulesdaWiperman
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/31/07 12:53 AM
Eric,
don't let him get to you. Best thing to do is just ignore.
Trust me , ignoring someone is the most painful thing to do.
Jules
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/31/07 01:09 AM
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Eric,
don't let him get to you. Best thing to do is just ignore.
Trust me , ignoring someone is the most painfull thing to do.
Jules
You can click on his user name and go to his "Home" page and click on "ignore user". That way none of his posts will be able to be read on your computer. I did that for several months with him and then turned it back on. Now, I'm thinking of turning him off again. You don't really even feel any curiosity to see what he says when you do that!
Posted By: JulesdaWiperman
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/31/07 01:14 AM
Thank you. I did not know that.
Jules
Posted By: RapidRunner
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/31/07 01:21 AM
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For what its worth, and its probably not worth anything,my 4spd Superbird has ACC carpet that was put in 15yrs ago.It is still black,not wrinkled and fit like a glove with no trimming.The carpet in my 62 Savoy wagon came from Dante three years ago,[no clue who his supplier is] same thing,no issues.Did something change ?
Bill,
I really do think something changed. Many of the repop parts I bought for my runner back in the late 80's still look better and were better constructed then ones i see today. My AC seal is good example. Fit perfect, still looks new and stands up nice and no glue needed to hold it on.
As for carpet, ACC rings a bell to me for the one I tried to buy back in the late 80's. I kept ordering a 4spd carpet and getting an auto carpet. 3 times this happened until I was told to just buy extra material and cut out the hump area in the carpet and patch in. I was about to go as far making a paper mache (sp?) form of my floor to get a correct carpet made. The one I finally bought is still in the car now. not faded but the carpet is straggly. I will be looking forward to this carpet.
P.S. Dave (ECS) I still have the original part number/date coded tag from my original carpet if you ever get into reproducing them.
MikeE
Posted By: sixbbl69
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/31/07 01:30 AM
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Goes to show why the "hooked on phonics" people went under, lousy success rate. Try the speak and spell next time.
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jules i don't know if you are awhere of it
Your attention to detail is without equal sixbbl69. I think the word you attempted to use was
"aware".
I thought maybe it was just an act but you really can't tell the difference between correct and incorrect parts, can you?
is dave giving you free parts to???????? have a good day.
Nobody needs free anything to realize you are a complete jerkoff with a sub 80 IQ. What's wrong, not enough action in the trailer park these days? Need to come to Moparts to get your thrills?
my car has no fender skirts. you should take them off i think it would look better.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/31/07 02:37 AM
Eric,
That has to be one of the funniest, most entertaining post I have ever read.
Posted By: 340cpe
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/10/07 09:56 PM
Earlier on some had asked about the one piece b-body design. I to have a 74 charger 4-speed car that came originally with a one piece carpet. Would this ever become a reality? If so it would be great if not it sure seems to me that the two piece design by far is a better fit than what is now available. Thanks to all who were involved with solving the mopar restoration carpet problem!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: In_The_Pink
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/11/07 04:35 AM
Should you ever decide to produce the two factroy cab-area carpet pieces for '71-'77 vans, I'll be ready to buy.
Posted By: Hemiken
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/14/07 12:02 PM
Hello Dave, (ECS) .
Can you let me know how you guys are coming along with the carpets progress and when you will have it for sale please.
Thanks heaps,
Kenny.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/28/07 03:11 AM
Hi Kenny,
I spoke with Geoff (Motor Parts South) today and the carpet with a sewn toe pad is currently ready. We are researching trying to find if venders such as J. P. Stevens & Co., etc... had the two different styles of sewn or adhesion fit toe pads. There is a problem with the pad being applied without stitching but should be remedied before mid December. We will keep you informed as progress continues. Thanks!
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/28/07 01:20 PM
I am with you Jules.
Posted By: Showtime
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/05/07 03:20 AM
Attention, we are able to make a one piece carpet for the 73 and up b-bodies, if you want you can call us at the shop and ask for Bill he will take care of you. The phone number is 704-445-2555 and I can tell you that the 73 and up b-bodies the heel pad is sewn on. Thanks, Geoff
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/05/07 02:09 PM
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Attention, we are able to make a one piece carpet for the 73 and up b-bodies, if you want you can call us at the shop and ask for Bill he will take care of you. The phone number is 704-445-2555 and I can tell you that the 73 and up b-bodies the heel pad is sewn on. Thanks, Geoff
Doesn't this post belong in the new products or for sale section where this whole topic should have been from the beginning?
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Posted By: beepbeep
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/05/07 04:19 PM
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Are you kidding? This is the New and Improved Former A12 Forum. Just like in the real world, if you have pics of the boss screwing a goat or are in the 'in' crowd then anything goes.
No wonder the Mopar hobby does not progress.
Posted By: Alaska_A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/05/07 05:50 PM
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Are you kidding? This is the New and Improved Former A12 Forum. Just like in the real world, if you have pics of the boss screwing a goat or are in the 'in' crowd then anything goes.
No wonder the Mopar hobby does not progress.
Progress = $$$$$$ ?
Posted By: A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/05/07 06:48 PM
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Are you kidding? This is the New and Improved Former A12 Forum. Just like in the real world, if you have pics of the boss screwing a goat or are in the 'in' crowd then anything goes.
No wonder the Mopar hobby does not progress.
Progress = $$$$$$ ?
Hey, Jim why don't you post something A12 related here like your story about your A12 RR and the "My Classic Car" interview..............I bet it gets moved. I'll agree that a lot of this thread was restoration topic but some of it has been "New Product Introduction", "Promotional Hipe", "Personal name calling" and just plain non-restoration bs. The mods should have weeded out those off-forum-topic posts and given EVERYONE a warning (including me) IMO.
MikeR
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/05/07 06:57 PM
why is this thread still here?
Posted By: Alaska_A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/05/07 07:16 PM
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Are you kidding? This is the New and Improved Former A12 Forum. Just like in the real world, if you have pics of the boss screwing a goat or are in the 'in' crowd then anything goes.
No wonder the Mopar hobby does not progress.
Progress = $$$$$$ ?
Hey, Jim why don't you post something A12 related here like your story about your A12 RR and the "My Classic Car" interview..............I bet it gets moved. I'll agree that a lot of this thread was restoration topic but some of it has been "New Product Introduction", "Promotional Hipe", "Personal name calling" and just plain non-restoration bs. The mods should have weeded out those off-forum-topic posts and given EVERYONE a warning (including me) IMO.
MikeR
I for one appreciate hearing about what might be coming down the pike such as repop H-wheels that might someday be a reality. It would give me the choice between waiting for the repops vs. over paying for a rusty old wheel and having it redone to make it usable.
But I think this recent post....
"Attention, we are able to make a one piece carpet for the 73 and up b-bodies, if you want you can call us at the shop and ask for Bill he will take care of you. The phone number is 704-445-2555 and I can tell you that the 73 and up b-bodies the heel pad is sewn on. Thanks, Geoff"
Is nothing more than a blatant for sale ad and does not belong here.
So that being said all is fair in love and war.
Posted By: B_Body_Bob
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/05/07 07:21 PM
my handiwork gets around
Posted By: Alaska_A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/05/07 07:37 PM
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my handiwork gets around
Tell Gary you want a cut.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/05/07 11:17 PM
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Progress = $$$$$$ ?
For other venues that may be the formula. For MY part the formula always reads:
$$$$$$ = Progress
Please, someone tell me how to find the flip side to that equation! 
DW
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/05/07 11:37 PM
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Progress = $$$$$$ ?
For other venues that may be the formula. For MY part the formula always reads:
$$$$$$ = Progress
Please, someone tell me how to find the flip side to that equation!
DW
Sometimes $$$$$$ = greed.
Posted By: Alaska_A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/05/07 11:46 PM
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Progress = $$$$$$ ?
For other venues that may be the formula. For MY part the formula always reads:
$$$$$$ = Progress
Please, someone tell me how to find the flip side to that equation!
DW
Dave,
I'm not sure there is one. I think for individuals like yourself who are trying to make a living off the "hobby" you will always be perceived as both "friend and foe" by the "little guy" just trying to have a good time with the hobby.
I realize how much is involved in R&D to produce an acceptable OEM appearing product and when the cost is only amortized across a small volume of potential buyers then the item is expensive.
There's really no right answer here. Many of our cars are "valuable" in dollar amounts because of their lack of production numbers. That same lack of numbers means you need to charge more for an item to re-coop your R&D costs.
My own personal peave is the few who have tried to pass off things like repoped A12 air cleaner bases as NOS or "reconditioned" originals. That has left a real bad taste in my mouth and I am one of the lucky ones that have an original cleaner base in my car.
BTW, OT but thanks for the extra lunch box decal.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/06/07 12:01 AM
Quote:
Sometimes $$$$$$ = greed.
I would be careful stating or admitting things like that. People here will automatically assume that your suspicions are actually the essence of your own personality.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/06/07 12:02 AM
Anytime Jim! Always a pleasure to help. Take care.
DW
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/06/07 12:03 AM
Quote:
Quote:
Sometimes $$$$$$ = greed.
I would be careful stating or admitting things like that. People here will automatically assume that your suspicions are actually the essence of your own personality.
Not on your best day! There is more to life than $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/06/07 12:09 AM
Nicely said! Good to see we have some ideals and/or perspectives in common.
Posted By: 5126brl No more
Re: something other than the same old - 12/06/07 12:43 AM
Bob, Do you know if I will need more padding on the floor under the near perfect carpet to cover the seams where I replaced (but not rebodied) this A12 I am working on? I know in the past the other brand had enough to hide the spots that are sectioned without extra grinding needed.
Thanks
Posted By: 5126brl No more
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! *DELETED* - 12/06/07 12:46 AM
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Posted By: Ts road runner
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/06/07 03:37 AM
Maybe this does belong in another forum but apparently it has all of the na sayers of this product all up in arms over someone trying to bring a better product to the hobby so maybe all the vender's should stop trying to improve existing products or developing new one's. Me for one welcome anybody trying to help the progress of this hobby and so should ever one hoping for the parts there in need of will be produced in the future. If your one for bashing any new products unless you have first hand experience of a product then you should stay out of this topic so your blood pressure doesn't boil
With all the hits this topic has maybe it is in the right place
Posted By: B_Body_Bob
Re: something other than the same old - 12/06/07 01:04 PM
Quote:
Bob, Do you know if I will need more padding on the floor under the near perfect carpet to cover the seams where I replaced (but not rebodied) this A12 I am working on? I know in the past the other brand had enough to hide the spots that are sectioned without extra grinding needed.
Thanks
Take the carpet out, it weighs too much
Posted By: mymcodebee
Re: something other than the same old - 12/11/07 05:08 PM
I may have missed this in this post so sorry if this has already been stated.
Is this carpet ready to hit the market. I will be ordering a carpet by the end of the week. This is a gift for my fathers 69 coronet ragtop. I would just soon try this and let my fathers car be the test mule. What is the price on this carpet??
Thank You,
Reid
Posted By: Ts road runner
Re: something other than the same old - 12/13/07 03:28 AM
Call Showtime Restorations 704-445-2555 ask for Bill he'll know.
Posted By: mymcodebee
Re: something other than the same old - 12/13/07 02:29 PM
Thank you,
Posted By: 75RoadRunner
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/19/07 07:00 AM
Quote:
Attention, we are able to make a one piece carpet for the 73 and up b-bodies, if you want you can call us at the shop and ask for Bill he will take care of you. The phone number is 704-445-2555 and I can tell you that the 73 and up b-bodies the heel pad is sewn on. Thanks, Geoff
I called this number. No answer and no answering machine. Please PM me.
Posted By: mymcodebee
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/19/07 04:58 PM
I ordered a carpet from them a week of so ago.
There is an answering machine now.
Posted By: sixpackbird
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/19/07 05:28 PM
I ordered 1 week ago, number I have is for Motor Parts South (704-435-2692), also talked to Bill (not sure if the same Bill), always got a live person and very helpful.
Posted By: 44D6PAKCUDA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/20/07 01:18 AM
Does anyone know if the e-body carpet is ready to ship or are they still working out the final details??
Posted By: 72N96RR
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/21/07 05:13 AM
I ordered carpet from them about 2 months ago and as of yet I have not heard back from them..71/72 RR carpet..I ordered it with Dynamat backing instead of Jute..Sounds like they are doing it right when I talked to them a while back..
I am just amazed at the way this thread took a turn for the worse in a hurry..
Who cares how its described..We finally have a guy trying to improve the quality of whats out there and people are waiting on the sidelines to tear it down for what???
Its embarrassing and a freakin shame..Grow up..
Posted By: mymcodebee
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/21/07 08:01 PM
The carpet I ordered will be here Monday and we will be installing it in a coronet convertible shortly after. I will let you know how it comes out. I have tried ACC and Trim Parts carpets so I will give you my honest opinion.
Reid
Posted By: JulesdaWiperman
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/22/07 01:16 PM
James,
what's a shame is that the people that have carved up this thread will be the same ones
who will buy the better product once the word gets out that it is truly much better.
Hypocrisy runs rampant unfortunately.
Happy Holidays
Jules
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/22/07 05:00 PM
Quote:
Hypocrisy runs rampant unfortunately.
Its the moparts mentality!
M
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/22/07 10:28 PM
first of all, Dave from ECS is one of the nicest,most generious helpful vendors i have ever met. he tries very hard to improve the hobby and make correct products, i would support him with all his products thats why i am waiting to get a new black carpet for my 65 dodge coronet. if you have ever talked to him on the phone you know what i mean. please stop bashing him and his efforts, he is truly a asset to this hobby.
Posted By: Ts road runner
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/23/07 04:55 AM
AMEN: I agree:
Posted By: JulesdaWiperman
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/23/07 01:00 PM
I second that.
Posted By: buzz440
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/23/07 02:26 PM
I third that Jules, most of the people that have been barking about this carpet thread for weeks now have NO clue most of the time what headaches we, the people who are putting the $$$$ and time out there go through to put out a well needed part to help this hobby. They don't seem to realize that even after you've finally accepted the fifth prototype or sample that once it goes into production it could STILL go wrong down the line......thats when some of the bad ones make it to the customer and the bashing begins.People just go back about 20 years when there was no, PG Classics, no Jules, no ECS, no R/T specialties or Roger Gibson and such......who do you turn to then for you parts ? Please understand we're doing this for you, we're trying or damdest to GET IT RIGHT, and hopefully we'll make a little profit to eventually cover our loses.... in the meantime please just return the parts that don't fit or work, most suppliers will gladly replace them for you, tell us whats wrong with the part and we'll take the nessesary steps to correct the problem............but for now please stop biting the hand that feeds you.
Later, BUZZ
Posted By: JulesdaWiperman
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 12/23/07 02:46 PM
Well put Bob.
Happy Holidays
Jules
Posted By: MLR426
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 01/18/08 03:16 AM
Quote:
The carpet I ordered will be here Monday and we will be installing it in a coronet convertible shortly after. I will let you know how it comes out. I have tried ACC and Trim Parts carpets so I will give you my honest opinion.
Reid
Have you put the carpet in ? Details ?
logan426
Posted By: mymcodebee
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 01/19/08 02:53 AM
No we have not installed the carpet yet. We did do a quick test fit Christmas morning and it appeared to fit very well. The loops feel very tight and until it has some wear and tear it will be hard to tell how it holds up.
To lengthy so I shorted the story.
Just make sure you are explicit when ordering if you want the jute attached or not attached.
Posted By: 375inStroke
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 04/09/08 02:19 PM
I guess this needs a bump.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 04/16/08 07:18 PM
Quote:
I guess this needs a bump.
The flood gates are open! I just talk with ACC and all issues have been resolved. Anyone interested in new carpet that looks factory fresh and is shipped flat, should give us a call. Thanks for everyone's input!
DW
Posted By: 426runner
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 04/16/08 08:03 PM
Forgive me if it is noted earlier in the thread but... is this new carpet actually cut and ready to go right out of the (flat) box?
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 04/17/08 12:28 AM
It still needs to be cut to size but that is the good news. There IS enough material to be trimmed to size, unlike the sets of the past. It is shipped flat to keep the new, crisp shape! This carpet is a tremendous improvement over what everyone has been use to seeing.
Posted By: MLR426
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/14/08 02:12 AM
So when...
...all the talk. I'm ready for it.
Bring it on.
logan426
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/14/08 12:53 PM
We finished with all the details, placed the order for the carpets and have the shipping containers ready to fill with the new products. Just as soon as we get the carpet sets they will be ready to ship!! (Hopefully next week we will start receiving them.) Thanks.
Posted By: sixbbl69
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/14/08 01:11 PM
Quote:
So when... ...all the talk. I'm ready for it.
Bring it on.
logan426
.i would call ACC and ask them if they have the exact factory auto carpet in yet.
Posted By: sixpaktoogo
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/14/08 04:12 PM
Kind of late to ask this, but here goes - Since these are exact reproductions, do they have the brass grommets in the rear corners to attach them to the holding tangs?
Posted By: srt
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/14/08 06:06 PM
Is there enough "trimmings" to carpet the sides of a console? Or, are they available separately?
Posted By: Troy
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/14/08 06:38 PM
"Since these are exact reproductions, do they have the brass grommets in the rear corners to attach them to the holding tangs?"
Very good question....
Posted By: anlauto
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/14/08 06:42 PM
Quote:
Do they have the brass grommets in the rear corners to attach them to the holding tangs?
Of course they must, otherwise DW wouldn't come on here saying they are exact.
Unless YOUR carpet is wrong Troy
Posted By: 5126brl No more
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/14/08 06:46 PM
Is this infomercial still going on????
Posted By: MLR426
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/14/08 06:54 PM
Quote:
Quote:
So when... ...all the talk. I'm ready for it.
Bring it on.
logan426
.i would call ACC and ask them if they have the exact factory auto carpet in yet.
I have new AAC in the box and I knew when I bought it several months ago it would be 
Then I decided to wait on Dave's ECS effort.
Dave e-mail me when you receive the carpet
I'll come and pick mine up.
Thanks,
logan426
Posted By: Troy
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/14/08 10:13 PM
Quote:
Quote:
Do they have the brass grommets in the rear corners to attach them to the holding tangs?
Of course they must, otherwise DW wouldn't come on here saying they are exact.
Unless YOUR carpet is wrong Troy
...I don't think so.....
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/15/08 03:06 AM
I’ve seen your work Alan! Brass grommets should be the LEAST little unseen detail of concern to you!
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/15/08 03:13 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble sixbbl69 but ECS is the only distributor that receives and sells this product line without folds from being shipped in a 12X48" square box. If you prefer to have it rolled up and shoehorned in that type of shipping container, have an extra day or two for trying to get the original shape back and don't care if it looks like a dress shirt that has resided in a hot suit case for a week, then you should do whatever your little heart desires!
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/15/08 03:38 AM
Hi Troy,
They do not incorporate this feature that does not show once it is installed. I can only assume that they feel the extra cost does not warrant the added benefit. The jute pad is also not the same material due to fire hazards that do not comply with modern day safety requirements. (Please remember that I do not manufacture this product.) When it is installed it looks about as close to original as you can get when compared to what has been available for many years. We receive it just like the factory did, stacked on pallets, and shipped flat to keep that crisp "like new" feature. *There are some here who continue to nitpick everything to death. It is hilarious how they can tolerate and climb over their own huge trash piles, just to complain about someone else’s gum wrapper sitting on the floor!
*Troy - not pertaining to your comments.
Posted By: Troy
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/15/08 03:52 AM
Dave, I'm just happy that you do what you do and the quality that you do it in.
Thanks.
Posted By: anlauto
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/15/08 04:31 AM
Quote:
I’ve seen your work Alan! Brass grommets should be the LEAST little unseen detail of concern to you!
With comments like this I have to wonder who's throwing trash around.
My above statement about the carpets must having the brass grommets because DW (THAT'S DAVE FROM ECS) states they're "factory exact" is a compliment to the fact that you're extremly anal about getting every detail correct on every single part on every square inch of the cars you have restored. AND THAT'S ALL IT MEANT....
You really need to relax and stop reading way more into what others type
Please say what you want about my work....your personal opinion means a lot to me.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/15/08 05:47 AM
Quote:
You really need to relax and stop reading way more into what others type
Alan, you took the words right out of my mouth. I am sure my comments are every bit as genuine (as yours) and likewise only "appear" to have that border line, condescending, dual faced quality.
Posted By: ebodyseast
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/15/08 06:16 AM
One of the many reasons why we luv ya DW...
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/15/08 12:31 PM
Quote:
One of the many reasons why we luv ya DW...
Ah,keep up the warm fuzzies!
Posted By: ebodyseast
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/15/08 03:11 PM
Hey dgt71 - say hi to your wife and my kids
Posted By: RapidRunner
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/15/08 09:01 PM
Will ACC have two quality carpets? This new exact one and the non exact one they make now?
Will everyone who sells ACC start to get the new exact carpet, I just saw that JC Whitney carries the ACC carpet for the B-Bodies.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/16/08 04:32 PM
The carpets will be the same. They will not offer two distinct versions. I will be posting a picture of the packaging you get from our company to illustrate the differences in shipping configurations. Thanks!
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/16/08 04:51 PM
Quote:
The carpets will be the same. They will not offer two distinct versions. I will be posting a picture of the packaging you get from our company to illustrate the differences in shipping configurations. Thanks!
Will the B-body carpet have the cutout in the heal pad for the gas pedal to be located in the correct position on the carpet?
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/16/08 05:14 PM
Quote:
The carpets will be the same. They will not offer two distinct versions. I will be posting a picture of the packaging you get from our company to illustrate the differences in shipping configurations. Thanks!
Do you have any idea as to shipping cost as per your packaging?
Posted By: A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/16/08 06:14 PM
Quote:
Quote:
The carpets will be the same. They will not offer two distinct versions. I will be posting a picture of the packaging you get from our company to illustrate the differences in shipping configurations. Thanks!
Will the B-body carpet have the cutout in the heal pad for the gas pedal to be located in the correct position on the carpet?
What year B-body? 
Posted By: RJS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/16/08 09:50 PM
I would assume he is refering to 68-70 style
Posted By: charge70
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/16/08 09:56 PM
Quote:
The carpets will be the same. They will not offer two distinct versions. I will be posting a picture of the packaging you get from our company to illustrate the differences in shipping configurations. Thanks!
Will you be at Mopar carlisle and will you be selling these carpets there.Thanks John.
Posted By: RapidRunner
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/16/08 10:16 PM
Quote:
Quote:
The carpets will be the same. They will not offer two distinct versions. I will be posting a picture of the packaging you get from our company to illustrate the differences in shipping configurations. Thanks!
Will you be at Mopar carlisle and will you be selling these carpets there.Thanks John.
That was my next question
MikeE
Posted By: A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/16/08 10:40 PM
Quote:
I would assume he is refering to 68-70 style
Just trying to figure out if the '68 pedal (re: rubber carpet pad) was mounted in the same position (on the rubber pad) as the '69? This is a '69 so I would assume it is incorrect being mounted forward of the pad and through the carpet? 
Posted By: A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/16/08 10:43 PM
This is an original '69 GTX with the pedal on the rubber pad
Posted By: RapidRunner
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/16/08 10:45 PM
Quote:
This is an original '69 GTX with the pedal on the rubber pad
Gee, where have I heard this discussion before
MikeE
Posted By: A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/16/08 11:20 PM
Quote:
Quote:
This is an original '69 GTX with the pedal on the rubber pad
Gee, where have I heard this discussion before
MikeE
MikeE, scroll up to JD's post that went something like this; 
Quote:
Quote:
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The carpets will be the same. They will not offer two distinct versions. I will be posting a picture of the packaging you get from our company to illustrate the differences in shipping configurations. Thanks!
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Will the B-body carpet have the cutout in the heal pad for the gas pedal to be located in the correct position on the carpet?
Posted By: RapidRunner
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/17/08 06:09 AM
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
This is an original '69 GTX with the pedal on the rubber pad
Gee, where have I heard this discussion before
MikeE
MikeE, scroll up to JD's post that went something like this;
MikeR,
I was referring to the where does the gas pedal poke through at, carpet or rubber pad 
MikeE
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/17/08 03:32 PM
Since the B Body carpets are the same for a few years, ACC will not cut any areas to make those "year" specific. Shipping costs depends on ZIP code but we are probably going to do a blanket (complete) cost that will be good for any city in the U.S. Since carpet is not our main product line, we will not be set up at any shows to distribute it. I am not sure if ACC will be able to bring this product to shows unless it is pre boxed in the small containers. It might be very difficult to keep the sets together if they do not already have them boxed. (Not to mention the additional space to be able to ship it in a flat/stacked manner.) On a separate note, I have spent the past two days trying to reference the "grommet" scenario. I am veering toward the opinion that not every car had this feature due to different suppliers of the carpet. I have found a few cars that did not have the clips in place to hold the carpet/grommets. My original Challenger was not even drilled to have the clip screwed into place. One car I found simply had a slot in the carpet (no grommet) that allowed it to be slipped over the unique clip. I will post all the photos of all the samples I documented after I get them downloaded. Hopefully this will shed some light on this subject! Thanks.
Posted By: Alaska_A12
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/18/08 06:29 AM
Quote:
Shipping costs depends on ZIP code but we are probably going to do a blanket (complete) cost that will be good for any city in the U.S.
Dave,
You have always been fair to me so here is a tip. Alaska and Hawaii are part of the USA but shipping is not generally friendly to us. You might want to alter your offer to read "Continental US".
Jim
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/19/08 03:55 PM
We will do everything necessary to make sure that all customers are treated in a similar and fair fashion.
Here are some findings with the variations on the carpeting. Notice the difference in the jute padding that was in this car. The tags read for a "Barracuda" but were in a Challenger! The vendor is also different from the J.P. Stevens style that is predominately found in E Body vehicles. There is a slot in the carpet instead of a brass grommet. I have not found an E Body with the brass grommet in the carpet as of yet. While talking with Bill Embree, he stated that the attaching feature was only to hold the carpet in place while the workers did their interior assembly jobs. Once the interior was installed, the clips and slots had served their purpose to hold the carpet in place. This was more of an assembly feature incorporated to keep employees from kicking the carpet out of place before it could be permanently positioned. Here are the pictures showing some of these features.
Posted By: sixpaktoogo
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/19/08 04:02 PM
Quote:
I have not found an E Body with the brass grommet in the carpet as of yet.
Dave, EVERY carpet I have removed from an E Body has had the grommets. The most recent a 1970 Cuda assembled in the Los Angeles plant.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/19/08 04:59 PM
Quote:
Quote:
I have not found an E Body with the brass grommet in the carpet as of yet.
Dave, EVERY carpet I have removed from an E Body has had the grommets. The most recent a 1970 Cuda assembled in the Los Angeles plant.
With the different vendors I am sure that this scenario is all across the board. Half of the E Body cars I looked at did not even have holes drilled to incorporate the clips. (My Challenger falls into that group. No holes or clips.) The picture samples I posted above of the copper carpet was also out of a California car. Its hard to draw any conclusions from such inconsistent data!
Posted By: 70challrtse
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/19/08 05:23 PM
The carpet I pulled from my LA built 70 Challenger also had the grommets.
Posted By: ebodyseast
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/19/08 05:32 PM
The only E body Mopars I've ever owned were '70 & '71 E Bodys, a total of 7, six of them had there rear seats out and among other things - their carpets examined for condition and during exam, all six had brass grommets in rear on both sides, I took this to mean ALL Ebody carpets had them and never gave a second thought. All that really meant was there were over 100,000 other EBodys I never got to put my grubby paws on.
ECS has opened my eyes at least to the FACT that not ALL had them in 70-74. He is apparently finding quite a few of these carpets without grommets, so we'd better accept it.
If these new carpets are that much better & hot sellers, maybe the other manufacturers will take notice, and retool their carpets to compete, and even go one farther and install the repro grommets as a way to offer even better details. I don't remember the company name or tv show, but one carpet company has an actual EBody floor pan that they use to mold the contours of their carpets for 'exact'
fit. So any fitting issues in the past and present are quite inexcusable.
I'll be ordering mine from ECS in August 'cause I aint getting another rolled up unit that takes days to lay flat to come back to any kind of decent form and color fades away to purple spectrum in short time. I do assume that it will come with the special Hi-Beam grommet.
If there are any issues,
ECS has a reputation you can hardly deny for being a stand up guy,
- so why worry?
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Why worry? Either you are well or you are sick. If you are well, you have nothing to worry about. If you are sick, you have two things to worry about. Either you will get better or you will die. If you get better, you have nothing to worry about. If you die, you have two things to worry about. Either you will go to Heaven or you will go to Hell. If you go to Heaven...you have nothing to worry about. If you go to Hell, you will be so busy shaking hands with your friends...you won't have time to worry.
Posted By: beepbeep
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/19/08 05:52 PM
So I take it that everyone who thinks the grommets were on all the carpets, has the FAD to back the claim up.
Posted By: Mastershake340
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/19/08 06:06 PM
I just looked at my T/A's old carpet, stashed out in the garage (I never throw anything away!). It has the brass grommets too.
I'm guessing this is a situation where there were different vendors or design revisions during the course of the year(s), some had 'em, some didn't, and the only way to know for a particular car if it had the grommets or not is if the original carpet is still there or like in my case, stashed away.
I assume these new carpets will have the molded in heel pads not stitched?
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/19/08 06:30 PM
I believe one of the problems with installing the grommets has to do with proper fit. If these grommets were installed by the manufacturer that might make the carpet one dimensional for the end user. If the grommet was incorrectly positioned, connecting it to the clip might keep the carpet from sitting correctly in the floor pan. I considered installing these myself but was worried that if they were not positioned exactly correct for a person’s car, the “grommet” feature becomes a moot point and would not be able to be used. Let me clarify that I know these grommets were used on some cars. The bottom line is that no manufacturer is going to pigeon hole their product to possibly be incorrect due to subtle variations between vehicles. I would suggest spending a little extra time putting the grommet in yourselves if this is such an important feature. That way you can be guaranteed that they are positioned specifically for your car. For those who do not have the clips, that makes installation even easier! Once installed it will look just like a factory job!
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/10/08 10:35 PM
I want to apologize to those who have been patiently waiting to purchase the new carpets we have been advertising. We ordered about 42 sets of B And E body carpets and received them about 3 weeks ago. They were shipped flat but they were not protected from additional items/weight being stacked on top so they were basically smashed way TOO flat. Their preformed shapes were completely ruined. We are returning the shipment and are having custom made enclosed shipping containers, that will be used to transport our carpets exclusively. They will incorporate an actual floor pan of the vehicle's style carpet that is being shipped, to guarantee that the carpet's form will not be ruined during the trip. Again I want to sincerely apologize for this set back. We should get the new shipment started as soon as our custom containers are completed. Thanks!!
Dave Walden
ECS Automotive Concepts, LLC
Posted By: JSSuperbee
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/11/08 12:29 AM
Dave:
I talked to you yesterday. I'm in Oakville. I'm standing by waiting for your call to let me know the new shipment of B body carpets in black are ready for sale. Would appreciate if you would put me on the list for one of the ones that arrive first. Jim
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/11/08 01:53 AM
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I want to apologize to those who have been patiently waiting to purchase the new carpets we have been advertising. We ordered about 42 sets of B And E body carpets and received them about 3 weeks ago. They were shipped flat but they were not protected from additional items/weight being stacked on top so they were basically smashed way TOO flat. Their preformed shapes were completely ruined. We are returning the shipment and are having custom made enclosed shipping containers, that will be used to transport our carpets exclusively. They will incorporate an actual floor pan of the vehicle's style carpet that is being shipped, to guarantee that the carpet's form will not be ruined during the trip. Again I want to sincerely apologize for this set back. We should get the new shipment started as soon as our custom containers are completed. Thanks!!
Dave Walden
ECS Automotive Concepts, LLC
I don't want to start a war but can you guarantee your shipping container to the customer.An actual picture would be nice.
Thanks
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/11/08 03:19 AM
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I don't want to start a war but can you guarantee your shipping container to the customer.An actual picture would be nice.
Thanks
We use double walled corrugated 70"X34"X11" boxes to ship them in. The carpet is suspended inside the box with corrugated triangular divides and any excess space is padded with bubble wrap. Our cost for the boxes alone are over $15 each. (This doesn’t even include the other necessary components mentioned or the cost to pay my employees to pack and prepare the carpet for shipping.) I think our shipping containers are overkill and more than adequate. I am sure we could continue to go bigger, stronger and more expensive but how much should I expect my customers to pay for shipping and other associated costs?
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/11/08 12:57 PM
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I don't want to start a war but can you guarantee your shipping container to the customer.An actual picture would be nice.
Thanks
We use double walled corrugated 70"X34"X11" boxes to ship them in. The carpet is suspended inside the box with corrugated triangular divides and any excess space is padded with bubble wrap. Our cost for the boxes alone are over $15 each. (This doesn’t even include the other necessary components mentioned or the cost to pay my employees to pack and prepare the carpet for shipping.) I think our shipping containers are overkill and more than adequate. I am sure we could continue to go bigger, stronger and more expensive but how much should I expect my customers to pay for shipping and other associated costs?
Ok,so far so good.Now how about a guesstimate to say CA,or MA.since you are in MO,close to mid point in continental U.S.Shouldn't be hard to do.You are probably oversize other than truck freight or Greyhound.With surcharges increasing on everything being shipped with the current economy situation I think this is something everyone would question.
I guess this is kind of like woodworking,measure twice,cut once.Check on shipping cost before saying send me one.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/11/08 03:17 PM
We do not do like many companies and add a surcharge on the shipping. We do our best to keep the cost down for the customer but not at the expense of compromising a safe delivery. You are correct about the "oversize" status of the container. The shipping charges are based on size and not by weight. Average cost to any location in the continental U.S. is between $85 and $110 per container. The shipping is more than the smaller boxes but the superior product that you receive far exceeds the additional shipping expense. Installation is cut to 1/4th of the time and it looks much better than the alternative "rolled" stuff. I will post a picture of our container and a comparison of what you will receive from us with respect to the carpet that is shipped in a small container. Thanks!
Posted By: 71rm23
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/11/08 08:49 PM
Lets not forget: No matter what the size of the piece being shipped, I'll cost extra
for the gas
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/11/08 11:07 PM
Got free gas the other day! Ate some beans!
Posted By: sixbbl69
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/12/08 02:22 AM
are you for real.or are these charges for next day air????????
Posted By: 44D6PAKCUDA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/12/08 02:33 AM
OK,now all is well....
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/12/08 07:00 AM
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are you for real.or are these charges for next day air????????
You obviously must think I control everything in the business world sixbbl69. I certainly appreciate your sentiment but there are some things I am victim to just like everyone else. I am sorry to say that I don't get to tell the shippers what they can or cannot charge me to ship oversize containers. Besides, we use BAX GLOBAL as our shipper. They cost more but seem to treat things much better than UPS or FED EX. You may want to call BAX and tell them how to conduct their business affairs. Just like everyone here on Moparts, I am sure they would be privileged to have you provide them with your infinite wisdom and knowledge on the subject.
Posted By: Iceman01
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/12/08 07:33 AM
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are you for real.or are these charges for next day air????????
You obviously must think I control everything in the business world sixbbl69. I certainly appreciate your sentiment but there are some things I am victim to just like everyone else. I am sorry to say that I don't get to tell the shippers what they can or cannot charge me to ship oversize containers. Besides, we use BAX GLOBAL as our shipper. They cost more but seem to treat things much better than UPS or FED EX. You may want to call BAX and tell them how to conduct their business affairs. Just like everyone here on Moparts, I am sure they would be privileged to have you provide them with your infinite wisdom and knowledge on the subject.
100%
Posted By: bebeep1969
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/12/08 10:06 AM
If anyone has had the pleasure to use ECS to buy any of there great products like I have on numerous occasions, Dave is not making any money on shipping his products to your door. He is doing everything possible to make this right. The packaging may be expensive but will be worth it. If anyone out there is going to b**** and complain about it, order your carpet from the vendors that send you s*** that is to short, does not fit, and inferior in quality.
Posted By: 375inStroke
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/13/08 04:20 PM
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Besides, we use BAX GLOBAL as our shipper. They cost more but seem to treat things much better than UPS or FED EX.
Having worked for UPS twice, I can tell you people go out of their way to trash packages. If it has a Fragile label on it, they throw it harder. If something gets jammed in the conveyor system, they cram, yank, tug, and whatever to get it out of the way as fast as possible to get the line moving and don't care what packages get f'ed up and torn open. If you have a claim on a broken package, their policy is to deny it outright and claim it wasn't packaged properly.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/16/08 05:18 PM
We are close to having things back on track. I have been asked to show what we will offer in reference to what is normally shipped without using precautionary measures to protect the carpet's shape. This is an actual comparison! The top picture represents what was sent to us in bulk, unprotected shipping. The bottom photo is the carpet sample (appearance) that we will be offering to the customer. Which one would you prefer to work with during your restoration?
Posted By: Captain Flapjack
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/17/08 01:43 AM
thats a greatly needed thing
i hope they fit well, as of course thats the biggest complaint about the old currently available stuff
to save on shipping will you vend these carpets at the nationals??
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/17/08 02:14 AM
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thats a greatly needed thing
i hope they fit well, as of course thats the biggest complaint about the old currently available stuff
to save on shipping will you vend these carpets at the nationals??
We will not be selling at any show venues. Years ago we attempted to offer our products at a three day show event. Because 75% of our line is custom and requires so many changes from one customer to the next, we find it almost impossible to inventory enough items to accommodate everyone. Even if we had every item in our portfolio with us, the time to pull (for instance) a decal kit takes about 20-25 minuets. To try and bring every style and color of carpet would be a nightmare. I made the mistake of bringing a few sets of glass with me to the Nats to help customers save with their shipping. I paid Steve Been a little over $400 to have it all trucked to Columbus and then spent most of the weekend running around trying to coordinate a convenient time for everyone to pick up their glass. It doesn't take long to figure out who gets railroaded in that scenario. Once bitten twice shy!!!
Posted By: Captain Flapjack
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/17/08 11:33 AM
i understand, thanks for responding
Posted By: 44D6PAKCUDA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/27/08 01:25 AM
Dave-We haven't heard much about this subject lately.Is the project still alive or do we just have to settle for the same 'ol same garbage carpet available elsewhere...
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/27/08 03:32 AM
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Dave-do we just have to settle for the same 'ol same garbage carpet available elsewhere...
Nope! We will have our shipping containers within the next week and should have our stock shipment to follow soon after. For those who were able to see the Challenger interior/carpet at the Nationals, they saw the type of quality that will soon be available to everyone. I promise to come on here and let everyone know as soon as we are ready. It WILL be soon!
Dave W.
Posted By: DAYCLONA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/27/08 04:08 AM
Dave,... just a quick question, I know I could call you for a response, but you "input" here,....aids others with perhaps the same question?
I'm interested in a E-body auto carpet, but this question should apply to other body styles as well,.....if I don't want the carpet in the 80/20 loop, but cut high pile instead?...would that option be available?.....your response would be greatly appreciated!
Mike
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/27/08 04:16 AM
Hello Mike,
Thanks for the question!
I think I can get any type of carpet that they manufacture, shipped in my containers (flat). I don't see that as being a problem. I will ask to make sure and get back to you on this thread.
Dave W.
Posted By: HEMICUDA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/27/08 08:27 AM
Dave,
A "Fragile" sticker on any package is no more than a bullseye for all the UPS people.
The idea of shipping carpeting in the same shape as it is when it comes out of the mold is awsome, however, it creats shipping problems. I for one am more than happy to pay any additional freight cost (over size) to receive the carpet that way.
If it might help, I would be willing to use my shop here in northern Ohio as a pick up point for carpeting or take your orders to Carlisle and the Nationals for you for customer pick up.
Michael C. Ross - Owner
B/E & A Restoration Parts, Inc.
www.beaparts.com330-725-3990
Posted By: mr_belvedere
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/29/08 03:30 AM
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If it might help, I would be willing to use my shop here in northern Ohio as a pick up point for carpeting or take your orders to Carlisle and the Nationals for you for customer pick up.
Michael C. Ross - Owner
B/E & A Restoration Parts, Inc.
www.beaparts.com
330-725-3990
That is an excellent idea!
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/29/08 03:56 AM
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If it might help, I would be willing to use my shop here in northern Ohio as a pick up point for carpeting or take your orders to Carlisle and the Nationals for you for customer pick up.
Michael C. Ross - Owner
B/E & A Restoration Parts, Inc.
www.beaparts.com
330-725-3990
That is an excellent idea!
I talked with Mike about this and it sounds good for about two minuets until you get down to the nitty gritty of how things would work. In order to ship this carpet, four containers (weighing about 200-250 lbs. each) need to be shipped EMPTY to the carpet manufacturer. They are then loaded and the carpet shipped FLAT to my warehouse for inventory. The cost to ship these empty metal containers will be at least $150 each just to get them to the manufacturer so they can fill them. I don’t think Mike would be willing to pay to have the containers shipped back to me after having them rerouted to his facility. Trying to guess an inventory to take to a show is also a very expensive shot in the dark. After the unsold inventory comes back from the shows, will it be sent back to me (at whose cost) or will Mike hold the inventory that I have paid for but no longer have access to? Mike is in Ohio and we are in Missouri. I don’t see that his location provides a central geographic benefit. ECS is located smack in the middle of the country! This is difficult enough without getting another level of cost and confusion involved. While I appreciate the kind gesture, these additional cost quickly erase any perceived benefits. Having approximately a $200 shipping charge, before the product is even shipped, would not be fair to expect the customer to pay or absorb.
DW
Posted By: DAYCLONA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/29/08 04:43 PM
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If it might help, I would be willing to use my shop here in northern Ohio as a pick up point for carpeting or take your orders to Carlisle and the Nationals for you for customer pick up.
Michael C. Ross - Owner
B/E & A Restoration Parts, Inc.
www.beaparts.com
330-725-3990
That is an excellent idea!
I talked with Mike about this and it sounds good for about two minuets until you get down to the nitty gritty of how things would work. In order to ship this carpet, four containers (weighing about 200-250 lbs. each) need to be shipped EMPTY to the carpet manufacturer. They are then loaded and the carpet shipped FLAT to my warehouse for inventory. The cost to ship these empty metal containers will be at least $150 each just to get them to the manufacturer so they can fill them. I don’t think Mike would be willing to pay to have the containers shipped back to me after having them rerouted to his facility. Trying to guess an inventory to take to a show is also a very expensive shot in the dark. After the unsold inventory comes back from the shows, will it be sent back to me (at whose cost) or will Mike hold the inventory that I have paid for but no longer have access to? Mike is in Ohio and we are in Missouri. I don’t see that his location provides a central geographic benefit. ECS is located smack in the middle of the country! This is difficult enough without getting another level of cost and confusion involved. While I appreciate the kind gesture, these additional cost quickly erase any perceived benefits. Having approximately a $200 shipping charge, before the product is even shipped, would not be fair to expect the customer to pay or absorb.
DW
Dave,
While I'm sure everyone applauds your efforts to bring a "finer" product, to market.....rather than shuffling these giant "pizza boxes" around with carpeting,.....is drop shippment a better avenue to persue?....I know the logistics of warehousing, inventory control, quality control, shipping logistics, taxes, etc, etc, etc, are now thrust apon the manufacturer,......is this a fesiblity?
another though regarding the actual delivery to the customer,.....I estimate just to ship the carpeting in 1 or 2 large carboard boxes (flat) would run anywhere from $100-$200 dollars freight in the 48,.....I think that plus the price for the carpet, will possibly sway the decision of the potential customer from a purchase......I personally could care less if my carpet is rolled up in a box?.....I just want a carpet that the healpad is where it's suppose to be, it's shape is correct,and I have some excess mat'l on the edges so that I can fit it to my liking!......although you are going to great pains for a shipped "flat" carpet,......would an alternative shipping/ packageing option be "optional"
Dave?.....any "feedback" on my last question/ post?
Thanks
Mike
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/29/08 06:18 PM
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is drop shippment a better avenue to persue?....is this a fesiblity?
another though regarding the actual delivery to the customer,.....I estimate just to ship the carpeting in 1 or 2 large carboard boxes (flat) would run anywhere from $100-$200 dollars freight in the 48,.....I think that plus the price for the carpet, will possibly sway the decision of the potential customer from a purchase......I personally could care less if my carpet is rolled up in a box?.....I just want a carpet that the healpad is where it's suppose to be, it's shape is correct,and I have some excess mat'l on the edges so that I can fit it to my liking!......although you are going to great pains for a shipped "flat" carpet,......would an alternative shipping/ packageing option be "optional"
Hello Mike,
Our part in making this product "better" actually is in the method of shipping. While it sounds very simple it is actually THE very step that allows the carpet to look 10 times better after it is installed. It will also cut off AT LEAST two hours of installation time. If the final outcome, or having to pay someone extra to "force" it into place is not a concern, then the carpet can be ordered directly from the manufacturer. It will of course be rolled up tight as a drum with all of it's pre formed shape smashed out of it. You are correct about the large boxes. The manufacturer is definitely not going to invest in new boxes to ship this product flat so "drop shipping" will not be an option. It is more money initially (S/H) but in the long run you save in installation time and the end result looks far superior (and original) to the rolled version. I would love to be able to offer a "Ferrari" at a "Fiat" price but quality does cost more and cannot be avoided in this particular situation. Customers are more than welcome to come by and pick it up from our warehouse. People have done that with their glass and other large items. While I would love to change our procedures to accommodate everyone, this program has been in the making for over 2 years and we have everything possible to provide the best product at the most economical price. Including shipping, the cost is right around $300-350 per set. It is certainly better than paying $150 for the stuff that is out there now and paying a shop 2-3 hours of extra time to force it into place. A few days later it goes back to having humps and bulges in the floor pan areas. In the long run you end up paying more AND the product STILL ends up looking second rate. Sometimes a bargain ends up not being a bargain!
DW
Posted By: I go fast
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/29/08 07:08 PM
So how is the mfg shipping to you?
Posted By: DAYCLONA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/29/08 07:15 PM
Thanks for the response Dave,...
My personal preference is for a carpet that fits, that the healpad is correctly done, and located, and extra carpet is along the edge, as I stated earlier, I felt that "feeling" you out on a variety of options, would benefit myself and others, some of whom may not take the time to query a response from you, regarding possible "do's and don'ts of the product and services you intend to offer in regards to carpeting......so I thank you for taking the time to relay that information.........but I'll be tenacious on the "cut pile" question
,.....as I prefer cut-pile in the car, wether it's original or not( personal cars).....thanks again Dave!
Mike
Posted By: RJS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/29/08 07:26 PM
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is drop shippment a better avenue to persue?....is this a fesiblity?
another though regarding the actual delivery to the customer,.....I estimate just to ship the carpeting in 1 or 2 large carboard boxes (flat) would run anywhere from $100-$200 dollars freight in the 48,.....I think that plus the price for the carpet, will possibly sway the decision of the potential customer from a purchase......I personally could care less if my carpet is rolled up in a box?.....I just want a carpet that the healpad is where it's suppose to be, it's shape is correct,and I have some excess mat'l on the edges so that I can fit it to my liking!......although you are going to great pains for a shipped "flat" carpet,......would an alternative shipping/ packageing option be "optional"
Hello Mike,
Our part in making this product "better" actually is in the method of shipping. While it sounds very simple is is actually THE very step that allows the carpet to look 10 times better after it is installed. It will also cut off AT LEAST two hours of installation time. If the final outcome, or having to pay someone extra to "force" it into place is not a concern, then the carpet can be ordered directly from the manufacturer. It will of course be rolled up tight as a drum with all of it's pre formed shape smashed out of it. You are correct about the large boxes. The manufacturer is definitely not going to invest in new boxes to ship this product flat so "drop shipping" will not be an option. It is more money initially (S/H) but in the long run you save in installation time and the end result looks far superior (and original) to the rolled version. I would love to be able to offer a "Ferrari" at a "Fiat" price but quality does cost more and cannot be avoided in this particular situation. Customers are more than welcome to come by and pick it up from our warehouse. People have done that with their glass and other large items. While I would love to change our procedures to accommodate everyone, this program has been in the making for over 2 years and we have everything possible to provide the best product at the most economical price. Including shipping, the cost is right around $300-350 per set. It is certainly better than paying $150 for the stuff that is out there now and paying a shop 2-3 hours of extra time to force it into place. A few days later it goes back to having humps and bulges in the floor pan areas. In the long run you end up paying more AND the product STILL ends up looking second rate. Sometimes a bargain ends up not being a bargain!
DW
Dave now I'm confused, is the product better or not?? Your shipping concern is a bit over the top for me. I won't be paying anyone to do my install so that's a mute point. In the many years past that I installed carpet I just sat it in my basement for a week or two and then installed it. Is ACC or whoever the manufacture is finally making it correctly? Ron Sannino
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/29/08 07:45 PM
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So how is the mfg shipping to you?
See my post explaining this about five listings above.
Posted By: 44D6PAKCUDA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/30/08 12:04 AM
All I know Dave is that my bare floor Cuda is waiting,regardless of shipping cost,for one of those nice,correct fitting carpet set.Let us know when they are ready to ship..and oh by the way nice car!!
Posted By: DAYCLONA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/30/08 01:54 AM
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All I know Dave is that my bare floor Cuda is waiting,regardless of shipping cost,for one of those nice,correct fitting carpet set.Let us know when they are ready to ship..and oh by the way nice car!!
Same here!.....I have 2 cuda's, one customers (4 spd) and my personal car,(auto) both waiting for a "magic carpet" ride......although, I'm still waiting to hear if I can get one of those E body carpets in high cut pile?......Dave?
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/30/08 04:30 AM
The carpets they are making look great now. When "they" ship it rolled up in the 12"X12"x48" boxes, it loses it's shape. It is hard to get a proper fit and the carpet NEVER gets back it's original form. The adhesive material is similar to a hot glue substance. Unless you put it back into it's original mold, reheat and form press it, the carpet will try and go back to the last shape it was conformed to. If a bumpy loose fit doesn't bother you, then I say go with the rolled stuff!
Posted By: RJS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/30/08 02:33 PM
DAVE SINCE YOU MISSED MY QUESTION OR AVOIDED IT I'LL TRY AGAIN:
"Dave now I'm confused, is the product better or not?? Your shipping concern is a bit over the top for me. I won't be paying anyone to do my install so that's a mute point. In the many years past that I installed carpet I just sat it in my basement for a week or two and then installed it. Is ACC or whoever the manufacture is finally making it correctly?"
Ron Sannino
Also if a person doesn't want to go thru the added expense of the flat shipping where does one buy this new and improved carpet (carpet that doesn't turn brown or purple, carpet that isn't sparce, carpet that isn't short etc...)
Posted By: DAYCLONA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/30/08 02:41 PM
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DAVE SINCE YOU MISSED MY QUESTION OR AVOIDED IT I'LL TRY AGAIN!
Same here!......I think we may have used up our "one question only" allowance? ......gotta resort to terroristic tatics
Posted By: anlauto
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/30/08 03:47 PM
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where does one buy this new and improved carpet (carpet that doesn't turn brown or purple, carpet that isn't sparce, carpet that isn't short etc...)
TrimParts is much better then ACC anyday.Available through many sources
I can't speak for the new improved DW/ACC carpet.
Posted By: DAYCLONA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/30/08 04:08 PM
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where does one buy this new and improved carpet (carpet that doesn't turn brown or purple, carpet that isn't sparce, carpet that isn't short etc...)
TrimParts is much better then ACC anyday.Available through many sources
I'd have to disagree with you Alan,....I purchased 3 consecutive orders with Trimparts, for carpets, and each one had serious flaws, enough to warrant returning, I've been buying from ACC for about 25-30? years now!.....and only had one carpet ever lose it's color (black turning purple)....for my personal cars I usally order cut pile, and it becomes a special order, therefore it's "freshly" made, besides I like the look of cut pile in the car, rather than "grandma's braided rug" look that 80/20 gives ya!......I've had no problems with ACC, other than the fact they cut the rug right on the mark, and leave no room for extra, last carpet I ordered from ACC was for my Tona'....again high cut pile, even for the console!.....came rolled up in their usual box, "unrolled" it, installed with no "humps", or "bumps"......I have several ACC carpets in my cars, the oldest is in my 71 Challenger T/A......I put that one (cut pile) in around 1980-1.....still looks Brand new!.......but I'm waiting to try one of Dave's...."magic carpets"
I can't speak for the new improved DW/ACC carpet.
Is Dave's vendor ACC?????
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/30/08 04:09 PM
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DAVE SINCE YOU MISSED MY QUESTION OR AVOIDED IT I'LL TRY AGAIN:
"The carpets they are making look great now."
I thought that my above quote was pretty self explanatory. I certainly would not have made that statement if they were incorrect or sub standard in quality!? Since I have never purchased the "past" carpet that some people have referred to on this thread, the only thing I can say is that the loop is correct, the toe pad is correct and you get plenty of additional material for cutting. I am sorry that I didn’t' restate these points again being that I had already made clear these exact same attributes in earlier posts. From what I have been told it is "better" than what was offered in the past. Again, we don’t make the carpet….we only provide a means to deliver the “shaped” quality that it is originally manufactured with.
Posted By: DAYCLONA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/30/08 04:21 PM
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DAVE SINCE YOU MISSED MY QUESTION OR AVOIDED IT I'LL TRY AGAIN:
"The carpets they are making look great now."
I thought that my above quote was pretty self explanatory. I certainly would not have made that statement if they were incorrect or sub standard in quality!? Since I have never purchased the "past" carpet that some people have referred to on this thread, the only thing I can say is that the loop is correct, the toe pad is correct and you get plenty of additional material for cutting. I am sorry that I didn’t' restate these points again being that I had already made clear these exact same attributes in earlier posts. From what I have been told it is "better" than what was offered in the past. Again, we don’t make the carpet….we only provide a means to deliver the “shaped” quality that it is originally manufactured with. [/quote}
Wow this whole on going thread, is like waiting in the dentist office?.....to have teeth pulled!
DAVE IS THE/YOUR VENDOR ACC?......
Posted By: RJS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/30/08 04:46 PM
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DAVE SINCE YOU MISSED MY QUESTION OR AVOIDED IT I'LL TRY AGAIN:
"The carpets they are making look great now."
I thought that my above quote was pretty self explanatory. I certainly would not have made that statement if they were incorrect or sub standard in quality!? Since I have never purchased the "past" carpet that some people have referred to on this thread, the only thing I can say is that the loop is correct, the toe pad is correct and you get plenty of additional material for cutting. I am sorry that I didn’t' restate these points again being that I had already made clear these exact same attributes in earlier posts. From what I have been told it is "better" than what was offered in the past. Again, we don’t make the carpet….we only provide a means to deliver the “shaped” quality that it is originally manufactured with.
Thanks Dave!!!
As one of your past and future customer's I want you to understand I'm not ruling out buying from you the flat way. I personally feel it's over the top after the lay-out method I've always done and then after about a week of use in the car with floor warming and cooling.
I switched to TrimParts about the time that ACC had that horrible tragedy with the plane crash, the quality just seemed to fade. So if maybe by your working with them they realized the hobbiest wasn't going to take the substandard junk they were selling.
Dayclona your idea sounds ok but if the car came with loop I'd prefer loop. Ron
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/30/08 04:49 PM
[quoteWow this whole on going thread, is like waiting in the dentist office?.....to have teeth pulled!
DAVE IS THE/YOUR VENDOR ACC?......
You will have to excuse that I can't figure out what is required (regarding questions) due to the fact that I have discussed these same points MANY times in previous thread posts.
*ACC makes the carpet.
*ECS had large containers built to have it shipped flat from the manufacturer.
*This is done to preserve it's original formed shape
*ECS has 74"X34"X12" Double Corrugated boxes that allows the carpet to be shipped to the customer in pristine flat condition.
*Installation is MUCH easier and the final appearance looks factory fresh.
*ECS is the only distributor that offers this unique shipping feature.
*We worked with the manufacturer for the past two years to get the design, fit and appearance of factory correct carpeting.
Posted By: DAYCLONA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/30/08 05:15 PM
Thank you Dave, ....that pretty much puts it, in a "nut shell"........ so we'll just wait for your introduction of the availability date,......So ACC is the vendor(Hmmm???, how people here have trashed them?).....then I "assume", I could "custom order" a flat shipped "high cut pile" carpet for a E body?......as I have been doing for decades with ACC
Posted By: DAYCLONA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/30/08 05:31 PM
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 08/30/08 06:16 PM
Quote:
Dayclona your idea sounds ok but if the car came with loop I'd prefer loop. Ron
Ron,...I'll tell ya,...you try out the look and feel/ fit of a nice high cut pile carpet in your car,....and you'll never go back to "grandma's loop pile" ever again
Three weeks ago I put high cut pile in my 93 Dakota.Ordered it from one of the Moparts site sponsors.It is ACC,left it out in the sun for about an hour,fit like a glove,pleanty left to trim and was $125 and free shipping.
Posted By: MLR426
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/01/08 04:40 AM
Dave W, as they say I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW.
I will pick up at your warehouse house.
As e-mailed to you. Black 71 cuda e-body 4 spd
When you call I'll be leaving to pick it up
carpet after I hang up the phone.
logan426 Martin Wimberly
Posted By: I go fast
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/01/08 01:07 PM
After reading over 270 responses to the initial post,the only conclusion I have come to is an attempt to reintroduce a product that is readily available at an increased cost.As for the if it is rolled up it will not fit,that is wrong.I doubt ACC would be in business if their carpet didn't fit!For those of you that have money to burn for a flat shipping container that cost as much as the carpet,have at it.Its your money.When this thread started,most probably thought there was going to be a new holy grail of carpet available through ECS.Actually the carpet is available from any ACC vendor.Your choice.
And Dave,when you respond to this please be civil in your comments and justification.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/01/08 02:57 PM
Dave,
2 Questions:
#1. Will you have these available for a 4 speed Duster?
#2. If so when will they be available? I'm now ready to buy a set
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/01/08 05:30 PM
Quote:
After reading over 270 responses to the initial post,the only conclusion I have come to is an attempt to reintroduce a product that is readily available at an increased cost.For those of you that have money to burn for a flat shipping container that cost as much as the carpet,have at it.Its your money.When this thread started,most probably thought there was going to be a new holy grail of carpet available through ECS.Actually the carpet is available from any ACC vendor.Your choice.
And Dave,when you respond to this please be civil in your comments and justification.
I have spent over three years and a few thousand dollars to provide a product that you have so graciously tried to unravel with just a couple of sentences in a public forum. I would be happy to provide YOU a “civil” response to YOUR well intended statement.
I started ECS because the quality level of decals was nothing close to that of the originals. As I started to hear the complaints the enthusiast voiced regarding carpet, I decided to help out and address things like incorrect loop density, incorrect toe pads, insufficient material, etc….. These were aspects that had to be corrected by the manufacturer. After years of input and countless phone calls, they were finally corrected. I received my first sets of carpet “rolled” up in a 12”X12”X48” inch square box. When I went to install the carpet it did not lay/fit on the floor pan the way it should have. Heating it didn’t help much and it never did fit the way I wanted. I requested to have my replacement sets shipped flat. This was never done with the thought of trying to become a distributor or including this product in my arsenal of items. Plainly put, I did this because I believed it was the only way that carpet would fit the way it was intended to fit. After personally experiencing how much better the carpet looked, because of having it shipped flat, I decided to get involved and offer it to the market in that same fashion. The manufacturer said they would not ship it this way due to extra cost and the fact that they already had thousands of “small” boxes in their inventory that they were not going to discard. The point I am trying to make is that I did this to offer people the opportunity to have a good product, made better with a couple of efforts that the manufacturer was not willing to offer. Just like the decals I referenced earlier, people have a choice between a better product for their cars or saving money and getting products that are not so detailed or correct. In my journey with cars I have come to the conclusion that a few dollar savings can end up costing twice down the road. I don‘t need to sell carpet and am not too concerned if it sells or not! I already have more time and cost involved than I could ever hope to recoup. I simply decided to offer the market something different (that I PERSONALLY benefited from) in order to have a better fitting product. The carpet will be the same price as other vendors plus the additional shipping cost. We are also contracted with the manufacturer to have our toe pads within one quarter inch of tolerance of consistent placement. We also have in our agreement that are carpets are NEVER to touch or be stacked on the floor of the manufacturing facility. While that may sound insignificant, the colored carpets we received had traces of dirt in the material from being stacked on the floor. If these types of quality control measures are not important to the customer then I would suggest they go with the existing rolled carpet.
I would NEVER ask anyone do something that I am not willing to do myself. That would be hypocritical and certainly not the “civil” thing to do.
Posted By: anlauto
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/01/08 06:32 PM
Reguardless of how it will be shipped, rolled or laid flat...I think people want to know is if the improvements made to the actual carpets themselves in reguards to " things like incorrect loop density, incorrect toe pads, insufficient material, etc….. " will be put into EVERY ACC carpet sold from now on....or will they have two levels of quality?...their level and the DW special?
Posted By: Dingmaster
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/01/08 06:39 PM
So is the correct 71 E-body carpets available?
I had to use the 70 style that covers the seat belt retactors. I never really got that "hump" to flatten out. I would love to up grade!
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/01/08 06:44 PM
Quote:
Reguardless of how it will be shipped, rolled or laid flat...I think people want to know is if the improvements made to the actual carpets themselves in reguards to " things like incorrect loop density, incorrect toe pads, insufficient material, etc….. " will be put into EVERY ACC carpet sold from now on....or will they have two levels of quality?...their level and the DW special?
Alan...I could spend the next ten years continuing to say the same things over and over and over. If you can't understand the specifics spelled out in my previous posts (especially the last one) I seriously doubt that typing another page would help.
Have a good Holiday weekend everyone!
DW
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/01/08 06:54 PM
Quote:
I never really got that "hump" to flatten out.
Which is exactly why we are providing this service! The shipping containers will be done this week. Steve Been not only does excellent automobile restorations, he also makes metal shipping containers that are indestructible. We should start having product delivered within ten days. Again, no one is forced to buy this carpet. Some continue to view this offering as some form of personal insult. If you do not like it or think it is a moot point, please continue to purchase the rolled versions. A happy enthusiast should be the final outcome of any purchase!
Note: To Scott Smith....if you need the Duster carpet let me know and I will have it shipped with this next order. Thanks!
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/01/08 07:15 PM
Yes Dave, need it for a 71 in black please. Let me know a total.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/01/08 07:23 PM
It just amazing to me how some people think.Here is a product that is going to be offered to us,by all acounts,a far superior product to what's currently available now,and all some people can do is pizz and moan about this and that.It's pretty simple people,if you want your carpet to fit better,pay a little more,and have it shipped in the big box.If you want to settle for the same old crap,buy what's been out there for years or come pick up my old,once rolled up carpet that never did flatten out over 5 years time for free once I get a set from Dave.Freedom of choice,it's a great thing!!
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/01/08 08:02 PM
Thanks Jim,
I will say AGAIN that we offer carpet that is basically the same as what you get from AAC EXCEPT:
Our toe pads are consistently placed in the same position with every set. The toe pad is no different than what you normally get, you are simply guaranteed that it will be positioned in the same place on the carpet. This is important due to the way the carpet fits against the console hump. One inch off and you will ALWAYS have an area that buckles or bunches up.
The manufacturer will NEVER let our products sit, scoot or rub on their manufacturing/warehouse floor. You wouldn't believe the dirt that will accumulate if this step does not take place. Of course if you have black carpet this won't be such a big deal. Black "absorbs" and hides the dark colored dirt it collects.
Our carpet is taken directly off the manufacturing line and stacked flat in our containers. We actually pay extra for this because the normal process of the manufacturing equipment (that rolls the carpet) has to be interrupted and the line rerouted. We then have it shipped to our facility where it is wrapped in bubble wrap (FLAT) and placed into a double corrugated 70"X34"X11" box. Frank Badalson was one of the first to take advantage of this process and he said it was perfect. He said it made it so much easier to work with and that this would be a major benefit for the hobby.
Anyone who has decided they want this type of product, please let me know this week so we can order what you need. For those who have been contacting us on regular basis, we have you on a list and your items will automatically be included in this stock order. Thanks again!
DW
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/01/08 08:53 PM
Another thought might be to pack more than one set of the same style in the same shipping container to save a few bucks? For example, I'd consider buying two sets for my Duster if shipped together at a reduced price.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/01/08 09:37 PM
Hi Scott,
I can only fit one set per box. Since the center hump in the carpet is about 6-7 inches high, both pieces are stacked together and surrounded by bubble wrap, that takes up the total width of the 11 inch wide boxes. If I had larger shipping containers to accommodate additional sets, it would compound to a cost that is already considered excessive. Thanks for the reply!
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/01/08 11:04 PM
No trouble Dave, I was thinking you could place a thin piece of foam or plastic between them and sandwhich them tightly together and wrap the foam/bubble around the works since they'd be the same shape/style. Anyway, just thinking out loud.
Posted By: rtse70
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 09/02/08 08:20 PM
I don't mean to high-jack but school me a little on carpet, this might help some others on deciding what to order. 80/20 loop was pre-'72 and cut pile was post '72? As far as the heel pad how was the original done, was it sewn-in or glued on? I believe ACC's carpet now comes with a 1/2" jute padding (this is based on paddockparts.com carpet, it is ACC read the description below) how did this compare to the original?
Paddockparts.com website states:
Our carpet has original style plastisol compound sewn-in heel and toe pad, 1/2 inch thick jute pad backing material, serged edges, premolded shape fits all parts of floor pan, contoured fit over transmission tunnel. 1 year manufacturer's warranty. No further discount applies.
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/08 08:47 PM
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/30/08 09:48 PM
Dave-One of those black sets looks like mine!! Can't wait to see it next week.Looks well worth the wait.Thanks
Posted By: JSSuperbee
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/31/08 01:46 AM
Dave:
As discussed in our e-mail of 10-20-08 and my conversation with John that morning.....I'll be at your place tomorrow afternoon to pick up and pay for one of the black ones for my '69 B body.
Thanks
Jim
Posted By: HEMICUDA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 10/31/08 09:12 AM
Quote:
Dave-One of those black sets looks like mine!! Can't wait to see it next week.Looks well worth the wait.Thanks
Wait a minute, that black one looks like mine also! Let's get busy Walden, get on that boxing and shipping!
Posted By: Ts road runner
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/02/08 01:42 AM
Thanks for the R&D that went into trying to make a better product for the hobby. And the packaging is over and beyond anything anyone has tried. I know there were several people involved so thanks to all. Time will tell us about the quality and I hope it's better than even all involved expected.
Posted By: AARCONV
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/02/08 07:20 PM
Do you want a little CHEESE with that WINE?
The guys coming out with a new product, lets try it and compare to what's out there...I need 2 sets, never looked into it yet but I would like to know what the differences are with the ones out there....
Posted By: MLR426
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/03/08 12:12 AM
Quote:
Do you want a little CHEESE with that WINE?
The guys coming out with a new product, lets try it and compare to what's out there...I need 2 sets, never looked into it yet but I would like to know what the differences are with the ones out there....
Start reading this post,it will answer all your questions. It doesn't need to be rehashed over again. The others are crap period.
logan426
Posted By: DodgeMaterial
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/14/08 09:13 PM
I'm anxiously waiting for my carpet! Any reviews from those of you that got yours already? Dave
Posted By: AARCONV
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/14/08 10:43 PM
sounds like the same carpet,made a little better from the same guys,shipped in a better container...same as having your suit pressed and hanging on a hanger for you or presented in a nice box for you to take home...i'll take 2...
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/15/08 04:24 AM
Quote:
sounds like the same carpet,made a little better from the same guys,shipped in a better container...same as having your suit pressed and hanging on a hanger for you or presented in a nice box for you to take home...i'll take 2...
I once knew a girl in high school who would have been good looking if she just had a different nose, mouth, hair style, eye color, ears and body. Other than those few things she looked no different than all the attractive girls! 
Posted By: 70challrtse
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/15/08 12:51 PM
Quote:
Quote:
sounds like the same carpet,made a little better from the same guys,shipped in a better container...same as having your suit pressed and hanging on a hanger for you or presented in a nice box for you to take home...i'll take 2...
I once knew a girl in high school who would have been good looking if she just had a different nose, mouth, hair style, eye color, ears and body. Other than those few things she looked no different than all the attractive girls!
But I bet she had a great personality. 
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/15/08 01:05 PM
Dave,
How long will it take to receive the carpet after the order is placed?
Posted By: ECS
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/15/08 05:07 PM
Usually within a week. We are getting ready to order another load sometime next week. If there are any other people interested, let us know and we can add it to the order. (Especially if it is a color other than black.) Thanks!
Posted By: Paul Jacobs
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/16/08 12:59 AM
I have used this carpet (guess mine was a prototype?) of Daves and it is awesome. Lays very nice and I give it 100% thumbs up! Takes a lot of work out of the corners and trans tunnel area.
Posted By: HEMICUDA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/17/08 10:05 AM
It's amazing how nice a piece of carpeting fits when it's not all rolled up and the back side shape isn't cracked not to mention the heavier pile that doesn't look like corn rows. Dave, you did good.
I will pay the additional expense for this carpeting everytime, no question.
I've been in the Johnson Controls plant a few years back in Michigan that molds carpeting for Ford Motor Co. and they are all stacked in racks for shipping.
I'm not going to need the other set I ordered for a year or so, however, get it to me as soon as you can before you figure out it's not worth the aggravation. Fact is, send me 2 4-speeds (1-70 & 1-71)and 2 automatics (1-70 & 1-71) for a Cuda. I will call you later to confirm the order.
Posted By: 44D6PAKCUDA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/18/08 03:40 AM
I just got my carpet set for my Cuda from Dave and I can't say enough how nice the fit and finish is.Lays out flat,extra carpet to trim under sill plates,follows the coutours of the floor pan,shipped in a nice big box.Wow,everything Dave said it would be.If you've been on the fence about paying a little "extra" to get your carpet shipped like this,do not hesitate,the best money I've spent on a part in a long time.I think I can speak for the majority of us guys and says thanks Dave for going the extra mile and bringing this part,in this configuration,to the hobby.Now I have to go and write an email to MCG to nominate this part for one of the top 10 of 2008.
Posted By: MLR426
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/19/08 01:14 PM
Quote:
I just got my carpet set for my Cuda from Dave and I can't say enough how nice the fit and finish is.Lays out flat,extra carpet to trim under sill plates,follows the coutours of the floor pan,shipped in a nice big box.Wow,everything Dave said it would be.If you've been on the fence about paying a little "extra" to get your carpet shipped like this,do not hesitate,the best money I've spent on a part in a long time.I think I can speak for the majority of us guys and says thanks Dave for going the extra mile and bringing this part,in this configuration,to the hobby.Now I have to go and write an email to MCG to nominate this part for one of the top 10 of 2008.
It should rate number 1 of the top 10
new restoration products. I picked mine up
last week and it's a great product. Never again
will I buy a rolled up carpet set if I don't have too.
The extra money spent is well worth it. It
will save alot of install time and look a ton
better after installing than the rolled up version. The carpet is also denser.
logan426
Posted By: Jeffaary
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/28/09 03:11 PM
I finally got my ECS carpet installed in my Cuda. Wow, what a difference. This is well worth the money. Thank you Dave for putting all your time and effort into this.
Posted By: 340wedge
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/29/09 02:05 AM
Now if someone could make the factory correct rubber floor mat, the ACC one is all black and not speckled like the original..hmmm
Posted By: Jeffaary
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/29/09 04:23 PM
I'd like to point out to all the naysayers that every post on here from someone who has actually installed one of these carpets is overwhelmingly positive and says the ECS carpet is a HUGE improvement over any rolled/folded ACC or Trim Parts carpet. Not one single post on here from someone who has installed this carpet and says it isn't worth the extra money. Not one. This carpet rules.
If ACC really cared about it's customers it would offer flat-box-shipping themselves. Dave is just repackaging their own product for shipping and selling a superior product. Reminds me of when Mr Norm created the 383 Dart. Chrysler said it couldn't be done. Mr Norm said, "really, my mechanic just built one here in the shop." Shortly thereafter the 383 Dart was available from the factory...
Posted By: LimeliteAero
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/29/09 04:52 PM
Quote:
If ACC really cared about it's customers it would offer flat-box-shipping themselves. Dave is just repackaging their own product for shipping and selling a superior product.
I don t think ECS would like that information too well known.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/29/09 07:38 PM
Quote:
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If ACC really cared about it's customers it would offer flat-box-shipping themselves. Dave is just repackaging their own product for shipping and selling a superior product.
I don t think ECS would like that information too well known.
Take a gander at a few of the posts that were posted earlier. It looks like ecs actually offers carpet that has benefits that other vendors are not providing. The flat shipping is just one of the positive features.
Posted By: LimeliteAero
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/29/09 09:35 PM
Quote:
Quote:
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If ACC really cared about it's customers it would offer flat-box-shipping themselves. Dave is just repackaging their own product for shipping and selling a superior product.
I don t think ECS would like that information too well known.
Take a gander at a few of the posts that were posted earlier. It looks like ecs actually offers carpet that has benefits that other vendors are not providing. The flat shipping is just one of the positive features.
according to the poster I quoated the only difference to ACC is the shipping method.
i thought there was more to ECS's carpet than just the way it was delivered?
Posted By: Hardcharger65
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 05/31/09 01:29 AM
ATTENTION : Dave Walden how can i order a 72 Demon 4-spd Black carpet from you ??, i cant seem to find your contact info on Moparts
Posted By: GoManGo70Bee
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 06/01/09 08:10 PM
Quote:
ATTENTION : Dave Walden how can i order a 72 Demon 4-spd Black carpet from you ??, i cant seem to find your contact info on Moparts
And you wont....hes gone.
Posted By: west
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/18/09 07:47 AM
Quote:
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ATTENTION : Dave Walden how can i order a 72 Demon 4-spd Black carpet from you ??, i cant seem to find your contact info on Moparts
And you wont....hes gone.
gone from here or out of business.
I was interested in his carpet,read this thread and still can't find a place to make an order.
Posted By: a12superbee
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/18/09 11:05 AM
Posted By: 5126brl No more
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/18/09 06:20 PM
Checks must keep clearing so the Advertisement keeps going!
Posted By: west
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/19/09 02:45 AM
Quote:
When in doubt, google.
http://www.ecsautomotive.com/
I already looked there and didn't see any mention of carpet.
Posted By: 340cpe
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/19/09 03:54 AM
I hope there is a mention of carpet at the ECS website after just getting finished TRYING to install a Trim Parts carpet in my 71 super bee. Price is no object at this point because this trim parts carpet is junk. I was better off robbing the living room carpet it would have fit much better. I am going on line now for the ordering info!!!
Posted By: cataclysm80
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/19/09 05:00 AM
Quote:
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ATTENTION : Dave Walden how can i order a 72 Demon 4-spd Black carpet from you ??, i cant seem to find your contact info on Moparts
And you wont....hes gone.
gone from here or out of business.
I was interested in his carpet,read this thread and still can't find a place to make an order.
Dave Walden aka ECS IS still in business. He was gone from moparts for a while, but I think he's back now with a different username. If you don't see carpet info on the website, it's probably best to just call and ask over the phone.
Tav
Posted By: a12superbee
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/19/09 12:01 PM
Quote:
I already looked there and didn't see any mention of carpet.
Opps, now that you mention it I don't think it's made it to the site yet. As tav said, give them a call and I'm sure they'll get you set up.
Posted By: 340cpe
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/26/09 05:13 AM
Well everyone I called ECS. I was given a diappointing answer, and that was we do not have one for your car which is a 71 charger and probably are not going to. If we do not have it in stock you are probably out of luck. I was also told that they are moving and if there was any possability of doing carpets again it would be after the move which will be early next year. I researched some old MCG's and found an add in the pentastar news section about proper fitting carpet and it was from Motor Parts South. I called them and they told me that I would be extremely happy with there product. I was also told that they are not affiliated with Trim Parts or ACC. There Phone number is 704-435-2692. I may just try one. Can't be any worse than the other junk out there for sale!! Happy Thanksgiving
Posted By: JDMopar
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/26/09 05:58 AM
Motor Parts South is the company that had this carpet developed to start with a few years ago. It's nice carpet...light years ahead of the old ACC stuff. I bet you will like it.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/26/09 08:04 AM
ACS Dorsett was bought by ACC and are the folks responsible for the proper fit and correct construction of the carpet. ACS does not sell to the public. This is where just about every set of carpeting comes from. I have worked with the other firms mentioned here in an attempt to have factory "like" carpeting manufactured. We have stopped ordering carpet at this time because we are moving to a newly built/larger facility at the end of December. We are reducing our larger inventory items in an effort to make the move easier. Every set of carpet is stocked and packaged in a double corrugated box that measures 74" X 34" X 12". After we are established in the new location we will start ordering a new supply, contingent on the demand. I do not believe that ANY other carpet distributor offers the "shipped flat" carpet that we do. The others roll and smash the factory contours out of the carpet by compressing and forcing it into small boxes. I hope this clears up some of the information regarding our carpeting line. Thanks!!
Dave Walden
ECS Automotive Concepts LLC
Posted By: cataclysm80
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 11/26/09 04:18 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Dave. I'm still looking forward to getting my 70 Challenger carpet from you after the car is painted. Like you said, the carpet takes up a bit of space, and I don't have anywhere to put it until it can go in the car.
Thanks for everything.
Tav
Posted By: 340cpe
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 01/06/10 04:07 AM
Well I just finished my installation of a Motor Parts South carpet in my 71 Super Bee. I do not know what to say. It is wonderful. Can you believe that it ACTUALLY FITS THE CONTOUR OF THE FLOOR PAN!! Not like the trim parts SH** that I threw out. I have a four speed car and the fit around the shifter hump is flawlwss and the heel pad matches my original perfectly. Motor Parts South you have certainly done your homework on this project. I hope Eric at Legendary Auto is reading this post and you cancel your trim parts contract, they certainly do not live up to the standards of your manufactured material, but this carpet will. You should look into distributing this product. For anyone interested; Motor Parts South there phone# 704-435-2692 You will not be disappointed!!
Posted By: migsBIG
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 01/08/10 03:05 AM
since it's a diffrent company, can you post pictures of your carpet for a comparison?
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 01/08/10 03:43 AM
Hi Miguel,
I originally worked with Geoff at MPS (about four years ago) to offer original style carpet. We parted ways because they were not able to offer the correct die-electrically sealed heel pad. They were only able to offer the stitched version which is incorrect for 70 and later E Bodies. I started working with Randall Bates just before Dorsett was bought out by ACC. ACS Dorsett was the manufacturer that supplied the carpet to MPS and a couple of other companies. When ACC bought Dorsett, they took over all rights to the "correct" style of 80/20 loop carpeting. ECS continued to work ACC to get the correct shape and style of heel pad. We also made sure that enough carpet would extend to the outside perimeters to guarantee that enough material would exist to do the complete job.
Unless I am totally in the dark on this one, I believe other companies are riding our coat-tails with regards to the work WE pioneered to bring this carpet to market. I believe we are also the only company that ships this product flat (never rolled) to ensure that the preformed shape will not be compromised by squeezing and forcing it into a small box. I would certainly be interested in knowing how these other companies are shipping the carpet to their customers and if the incorrect heel pad "attachment" dilima has been resolved.
Posted By: 340cpe
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 01/08/10 04:17 AM
Miguel I will try and get a picture posted this weekend. DLW4Real; When I ordered the carpet I was asked if I wanted the heel pad stiched, die-electrically attached or both. The heel pad is also an EXACT duplicate of my original. I obviously have tried trim parts which I will never do business with again I literally threw the carpet out. I have also tried an ACC in my 74 4speed charger and probably fit worse than the trim parts. I have to give credit where it is due this carpet really fits and I mean the contours of the floor pan with PLENTY of material for trimming. Finally it was not shipped flat although it was in a box at least twice as big as the trim parts junk and I was told that it was freshly molded so when I received it I removed it from the box and layed it out. Another option I was given was to have the jute attached or unattached. I opted for the unattached as my original padding was in exceptional condition. Prior to ordering this carpet I did try ECS per this post. I was told they were not taking any orders for any new carpets at this time, and the time was in the early part of December, as they were moving to a different building and did not know when or if they would be back in the carpet business. This is when I got out my older MCG's and found the phone# for Motor Parts South. Bottom line this is a fine product.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 01/08/10 06:00 AM
Quote:
I have also tried an ACC in my 74 4speed charger and probably fit worse than the trim parts. I have to give credit where it is due this carpet really fits and I mean the contours of the floor pan with PLENTY of material for trimming.
340cpe,
You probably are referring to the old product offered by ACC. Unless MPS has suddenly become a carpet manufacturer, I would be willing to bet that the product you received is actually being manufactured by ACC. I have read comments from individuals who claimed our glass didn't fit and in the very next sentence state that the glass they received from JRD was a perfect fit. That was quite comical in the fact that our glass products are custom fabricated by JRD for our particular applications! You would be surprised how many times I see people contradict their own testimonials by not realizing that they are comparing the same products!! The carpet and glass are the only items that we do NOT manufacture in house. 98% of our offerings are made at our facility to ensure quality control, otherwise we would end up selling the same products that twenty other distributors are advertising. Price (rather than quality) suddenly becomes the primary selling point. In the end it is the consumer that ends up on the short side of the equation. As you conveyed in your last statement however, customer satisfaction and quality is the bottom line objective!
Posted By: dreekr
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 01/10/10 07:31 AM
I just installed ecs carpet in my 70 challenger and I can tell you it is by far the best I have ever installed the fit is unbelievable. The extra material is a bonus. installation is short and sweet.........THANKS ECS
Posted By: 340cpe
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 01/30/10 03:40 AM
This is a motorparts south carpet. If you notice has also got the correct heel pad and fits perfectly around hte shifter tunnel. It Really Fits GREAT!!!
Posted By: 4spdragtop
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 01/30/10 04:24 PM
Quote:
This is a motorparts south carpet. If you notice has also got the correct heel pad and fits perfectly around hte shifter tunnel. It Really Fits GREAT!!!
Looks like an awesome fit! Do they have a website? I tried the google thing, and couldnt find a site??
Thanks
Posted By: JDMopar
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 01/31/10 01:40 AM
Quote:
Quote:
This is a motorparts south carpet. If you notice has also got the correct heel pad and fits perfectly around hte shifter tunnel. It Really Fits GREAT!!!
Looks like an awesome fit! Do they have a website? I tried the google thing, and couldnt find a site??
Thanks
Motor Parts South 704-435-2692 Geoff, Dennis or Bill
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 02/01/10 05:12 PM
Since this is a thread on ECS Carpet and it's quality appearance and features, I though it fitting (pun intended
) to show a side by side comparison photo. Notice how our carpet does not bow and hump up along the straight part of the stitched edge. When you see that area exhibit an uneven appearance, you can be sure that the carpet has been folded during shipping! Even without the sill plate installed, our carpet hugs the contoured shape of the floor pan. The back of the carpet is constructed with a hot glue type material and once it is rolled and squeezed into an under sized container, the crisp shape will never completely look as it did when it was manufactured. Our carpet is NEVER rolled/folded from the time it is manufactured to the time it is delivered to our Customers. Would it make sense for your dry cleaners to press your shirts, fold them, stuff them in a box and then ship them to you? While some may think these differences are subtle, it can make the difference in using a product that looks like a Reproduction or a "Factory Exact" part!
Posted By: HEMICUDA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 02/01/10 06:47 PM
Unless you have driven a car with power steering, you won't relize what you're missing. I've done a pile of ebodies and I can tell you once you go flat you'll never go back. I've installed 2 sets so far and waiting on the third, absolutely no comparison.
Posted By: JRepucci
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 02/01/10 11:55 PM
I'm sold on the ship flat carpet... How do I order it?
Posted By: 1hot68
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 02/02/10 02:02 AM
Call ECS and order it. The # is 636 207 7767........I got mine about a month ago. Im not ready to install it yet,but it sure looks like a nice deal. Gotta be better than the rolled up stuff.
Posted By: 340cpe
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 02/02/10 10:38 PM
I will say that the motorparts south carpet fit the contours of the floor pan perfectly. The picture of a black carpet in a poorly lit area did not do the picture justice. Now by no means am I knocking ECS carpet or method of shipping it is a wonderful idea!! I must repeat the fact that when i called ECS in December I was told by one of there representatives that they were only selling what was left in inventory, which did not include my make and model, and they were uncertain if they would get back into carpet sales. Thats when I tried Motorparts South and was extremely pleased with there service and product. If ECS had told me in December that they could have fulfilled my order I would have purchased it from them. But motorparts south now gives the hobby another option which I beleive to be a good thing.
Posted By: HEMICUDA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 02/02/10 11:59 PM
Quote:
I will say that the motorparts south carpet fit the contours of the floor pan perfectly. The picture of a black carpet in a poorly lit area did not do the picture justice. Now by no means am I knocking ECS carpet or method of shipping it is a wonderful idea!! I must repeat the fact that when i called ECS in December I was told by one of there representatives that they were only selling what was left in inventory, which did not include my make and model, and they were uncertain if they would get back into carpet sales. Thats when I tried Motorparts South and was extremely pleased with there service and product. If ECS had told me in December that they could have fulfilled my order I would have purchased it from them. But motorparts south now gives the hobby another option which I beleive to be a good thing.
I don't think anyone on this forum is taking your comments as a knock on ESC and I'm sure the quality of Motor Parts South is very good. They are two different products at different price points. It's very difficult to have a non bias opinion unless you've had the oppertunity to try them both. Once a carpet is rolled the backing is cracked. No question it will be nice but never will it be that perfect crisp shape it was right out of the mold. It's all in what you're looking for, two different processes actually. If I was throughing a rug in a driver quality or really nice restored car I might consider paying less for carpet, I only know one way to do a car and the carpet will always be shipped flat for me.
Posted By: anlauto
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 02/03/10 01:08 AM
I just got a price including shipping to Canada on an ECS carpet....I'm now waiting for the go ahead from the car's owner...
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he can see the extra expense will be worth it, because I'm dying to try one of these flat shipped carpets. I've heard nothing but tremendous praise about them
It's too bad someone couldn't bring a selection of them to the larger shows like Carlise so we could avoid shipping
Posted By: sawdust
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 02/03/10 01:42 AM
Dave, been meaning to comment on your carpet for awhile now so here goes. Got the carpet last year around early June to get the cuda done for Carlisle. (Thanks for you prompt reply and service back then).
Though some may complain about price the difference in appearance, fit, quality, and shop time to install greatly out weigh the cost basis differential.
We were very pleased with the final results, unfortunately we were under such a time crunch to get the car completed I only have pictures of the interior after seats were installed. Again an excellent product that is the closest to original that can be found. Will order again as I need to replace teh carpet in the survivor Hemi Satellite in the near future.
Thanks again.
Posted By: Deuces-Wild
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 02/04/10 02:31 AM
Dave, Great pics and info! which was just in time and what I needed to see.
I previously read an article in Hemmings Muscle Machines covering the replacement carpet from motorparts south. They rated it as excellent. I was ready to order from them until I read this posting.
While I am sure that MPS sells a quality product, I will now order from ECS as you guys have high-quality products and also know to avoid the shipping issues that cause carpet installation headaches and poor fit. This is exactly what I encountered with another vendor during my resto v1.0
Posted By: toplescuda
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 02/06/10 06:00 AM
just how much is either of these carpets?i will be ordering a new black carpet for my 74 auto,bucket seat satellite soon and i really dont want this one to fad to a redish tint that the one i bought new 2 years ago for our 71 charger has done
shipping?
Posted By: LimeliteAero
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 02/06/10 08:21 PM
Quote:
just how much is either of these carpets?i will be ordering a new black carpet for my 74 auto,bucket seat satellite soon and i really dont want this one to fad to a redish tint that the one i bought new 2 years ago for our 71 charger has done
shipping?
yea, what he said! I dont want no stinkin fading!!!
Posted By: 1964superstock
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 02/28/10 04:31 PM
I e-mailed ECS about availability and price of a flat shipped carpet kit for my 1964 Plymouth Savoy 2 door post (early b-body). This is the email response that I received:
"Hi, I checked into this and we don't carry carpet this far back in our custom style. Thanks for checking with us. Please let us know if you need anything in the future."
Thanks,
Cindy
ECS
So much for a flat shipped carpet kit from ECS for my car. I called Motor Parts South, and they DO have carpet available for my 1964 Plymouth Savoy (early B-Body). I was pleasantly surprised how reasonable their prices are. They also offered to customize the carpet for superstock style, with rear seat delete and heater delete, for only an little extra.
Posted By: 52savoy
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 02/28/10 05:11 PM
Legendary Interiors has it and I would guess Kramers too. I need it for my '64 Savoy but just been putting it off. Legendary has it in different tu-tone patterns that was correct for early B-bodys versus solid colors for later models('65 up).
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/01/10 06:10 AM
My Goodness Jeff! You sure seemed to have read quite a bit into what we "want" concerning our customers and product lines! Had I known that you were going to quote Cindy's email and then proceed to translate it incorrectly, I would have personally answered your inquiry! Here is what I would have stated:
Hi Jeff,
We do not carry custom carpet for every model year due to the financial commitment it takes to offer product lines outside of our advertised portfolio. ECS has never claimed that we provide "custom applications" for every Chrysler vehicle in existence. The only applications we have committed to at this time are 1968-1974 A, B and E Body vehicles. We also do not to offer every year or variation of automotive decals due to the same limitations and negative economies of scale! It cost quite a bit to develop a line for ANY specific model and investing in areas that exhibit a very small demand can prove to be disastrous for a business! Now if you would like, we could do like other suppliers that distribute "standard" carpet, have it shipped with an inconsistent cut of material, NOT guarantee correct heel pad placement within 1/4 inch and smash the "custom formed shape" out of it when it is rolled and forced into an under sized shipping container!
I am sorry Jeff but we choose NOT to compromise the quality of what we offer to our customers. Your request for this style of carpet is the first we have received! Should demand for this specific model/year increase, we will consider expanding our line to accommodate that style. I hope you can understand our position! Thank you very much!
Dave Walden
Posted By: 1964superstock
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/01/10 01:17 PM
Thanks for the clarification, I understand your business position. I guess you never did mention specifically having carpet for every mopar, but I was hopeful you might have carpet available for early b-bodies since your flat shipped carpet is a cool product. I'm sorry you don't have it available for the early B-bodies. Interesting that I'm the very first guy to request availability and price on a carpet kit for an early b-body. Thanks for clearing this up for everyone. I will look somewhere else for carpet.
Posted By: anlauto
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/01/10 01:31 PM
I'm on the list for 72 A Body carpet...I can't wait
Posted By: Firepowerflyer
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/01/10 06:39 PM
I don't know if it's been posted but what is the cost for a carpet set 69 GTX auto in black??
Thanks Joe
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/01/10 08:27 PM
Hi Joe,
We have that carpet in stock and the total cost including shipping is $379. In an earlier post Jeff thought it was "interesting" that we had not received a request for 1964 Savoy carpeting prior to his inquiry. I checked with our other employees and they too had never received a request for that style of carpeting. For the record, Jon Dodds (one of our employees) has stated that there have been a few requests that we were not able to accommodate.
I want to take just a moment to explain why it is difficult for us to offer such a diverse/deep selection of products. Many companies specialize in only a handful of items. They are usually resellers or middlemen for the products that they sell. ECS not only caters to the Mopar Market but also supplies the Ford and General Motors enthusiast with the same type of parts! Our products are VERY specialized when it comes to exacting detail and factory correctness. We manufacture about 98% of everything that we sell. ECS is a manufacturing company as well as a wholesaler, distributor and retailer. While most companies are able to concentrate on just one line of products, we do our best to offer a wide variety of factory correct reproduction parts to the restoration industry! It would almost be impossible to have the product depth within our lines that some expect us to carry.
Today, we had a gentleman call us asking about decals for a 1965 Buick Wildcat. I reluctantly told him that we didn't manufacture products for that particular GM model vehicle! While we do our best to help everyone, I am sure that there are some who are disappointed that we cannot supply their specific needs. I hope I don't read (in another forum) that we don't care about our GM customers because we had to apologize for not stocking an Air Cleaner decal for a 1965 Buick!
Posted By: 1964superstock
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/02/10 05:32 AM
Dave, (since we are on a first name basis now), I guess I'm the only guy in the world that is restoring a early B-Body mopar. I seem to notice plenty of guys building 1962-1965 B-Body Max Wedge and Hemi cars lately, who are all installing carpet kits. I also think Chrysler built a few cars prior to 1968.
I contacted you originally because I was impressed with your product which I saw on this same thread. I thought others on Moparts might like to know that you don't currently offer carpet for the early B-body mopars, per the email response to me. Even you say in your response post that you only have carpet kits available for 1968-1974 A,B,E bodies, which I did not know before. Good for you, that's great, I'm happy your making a great product for those cars. But the fact remains that you don't currently offer carpet for 1962-1967 mopars, right?. No big deal, I'll find another vender for carpet in my 1964 Plymouth Savoy Max Wedge, and my other 1964-1967 Mopars. Thanks. -Jeff.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/02/10 05:11 PM
Quote:
Dave, (since we are on a first name basis now), I guess I'm the only guy in the world that is restoring a early B-Body mopar. I seem to notice plenty of guys building 1962-1965 B-Body Max Wedge and Hemi cars lately, who are all installing carpet kits. I also think Chrysler built a few cars prior to 1968.
Jeff,
That is the second time that you have implied that we must be denying or concealing information regarding carpet inquiries for "early" B Body restorations. I can assure you that there is no conspiracy towards you or any other persons who are restoring an "earlier" Chrysler vehicle. I believe the main reason we do not receive product requests for pre-1968 Chrysler vehicles is due to the fact most people pay attention to the production years that we CLEARLY advertise concerning the parts we sell. It would be great if we could offer every single product for every single car ever manufactured but that is not the case. No matter which corner of the room we stand in there is always someone to tell us that we are in the wrong corner. We had to start somewhere Jeff and we expand our product lines according to market demand. It is as simple as that! Again, I apologize for any inconvenience that our shallow product line(?) may have caused you.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/02/10 05:17 PM
Hey Jeff, (sorry to go off topic Dave)
Are we talking about the same 64 that I saw over at your place when I was in Utah or do you have a different car now? Are you building it as a Hemi or Max Wedge clone? Has it already been through body and paint and you are now installing interior? Love to see some pics!
Posted By: 1964superstock
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/02/10 07:28 PM
Dave, this is rediculous, really. I have never once stated anything close to your statement that I, "implied that we must be denying or concealing information regarding carpet inquiries for "early" B Body restorations."
I simply inquired from you and your company if you sell carpet for my '64 Plymouth. I was told you don't, so I thought I would update this post with the info. Isnt that that the purpose of forums like Moparts, to help others with information? Chill out Dave. I'm done with this thread about carpet.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/02/10 08:22 PM
Quote:
this is rediculous...I thought I would update this post with the info.
The only thing ridiculous is your claim that your only purpose was to "update" this forum about our inability to provide carpet sets for vehicles prior to 1968. Why reiterate a point that had already been established from the very beginning Jeff? Your comments like, "I guess I'm the only guy in the world that is restoring a early B-Body mopar" or " I also think Chrysler built a few cars prior to 1968" were hardly commentary used to "update" people about what we have to offer. Your earlier post about how "they must not care about customers that do not own vehicles other than E or B Body models..." had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with simply trying to "update" this information! I only wish you had not edited/eliminated those rude sarcastic comments so everyone following this thread could have read it for themselves.
Here is the perfect opportunity for you to do something for this industry, rather than sit back and sarcastically insult those who have done their best to help with this cause. I wasn't born with the silver "carpet" spoon in my hand Jeff! I simply didn't like what was being offered for the vehicle I was working on at the time so I took it upon myself to do something about it! After a considerable investment and effort to get things done correctly, I decided to share those benefits with others in this hobby. I guess I should offer you a personal apology for not choosing a 1964 Chrysler vehicle to originally work with. If I had, we wouldn't be having this little spat would we?
DW
Posted By: 1964superstock
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/03/10 02:10 AM
Dave, I'm sorry to cause you stress, thanks for your help in improving the mopar hobby, we all appreciate it. I'm sure your carpet is the best. Lets be done with this already, its not helping anyone. If I restore a 1968 or later mopar some day, I'll buy some of your carpet. Thanks.
Posted By: MOPARMIKE69
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/03/10 02:18 PM
1964superstock you have a PM
Posted By: 340cpe
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/04/10 04:11 AM
Listen I hate to beat a dead horse here but ECS claims that they supply carpets for 68 thru 74 A,B and E-body cars, This is not true!!! I will repeat an earlier post that I made and that being that I called them in December of 09 and asked to purchase a carpet for a 1971 Dodge Charger and they COULD NOT SUPPLY IT!!! I was told that all that was for sale is what was left in there inventory and that this was not one of them. I purchased a carpet from MotorParts South and was extremely pleased. I posted pictures of the installation for everyone to see. I have talked to numerous people about ECS and they are a quality company, and I would have certainly bought a carpet from them, but they shouldn't say that they offer a product for a particular year when I know first hand that I was refused. A 71 charger certainly fits the range of 68-74 A,B and E-body! Thanks
Posted By: DAYCLONA
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/04/10 04:37 AM
in December of 09 and asked to purchase a carpet for a 1971 Dodge Charger and they COULD NOT SUPPLY IT!!! I was told that all that was for sale is what was left in there inventory and that this was not one of them.
I would have certainly bought a carpet from them, but they shouldn't say that they offer a product for a particular year when I know first hand that I was refused. A 71 charger certainly fits the range of 68-74 A,B and E-body! Thanks
IIRC,.....isn't this about the time ECS was moving their location to another facility?,...Again IIRC DW stated no NEW orders/ inventory on carpet, until after the move,....just what was left in stock was available?.....maybe old age is "settin in", but that's what I remember reading on Moparts?
Posted By: anlauto
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/04/10 04:49 AM
I was told when I ordered A Body carpet that they could not confirm a date because they were currently not doing carpets? But was assured that it should be in the next 90 days...I'm in no hurry.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/04/10 05:21 AM
Now that you have expressed the abbreviated version 340cpe, allow me to tell the remainder of what you just "accidentally forget" in your truth testimonial.
ECS is in the process of moving to a new location. We starting the design and building of our new facility in July of 2009. We were slated to move in between the week of Christmas and New Years of 2010. Due to a delay in the municipality obtaining the necessary building permits, our move was pushed back to January....and then February. We were recently told that we will take occupancy sometime in the middle to later part of March 2010.
Now here is the part that Mr. 340cpe has so graciously decided to leave out and/or ignore! We have been telling EVERYONE who calls (about carpet that is not in stock) that we are only taking order REQUESTS until we can get into our new facility! To eliminate moving 60+ over-sized corrugated containers, we are holding off expanding our inventory until we move into our new facility. As soon as we get our two week "move in" notice, ECS will be ordering a new shipment of carpet that should intersect with our moving in. Anyone who has called to order carpet in the past few weeks was provided this explanation (along with an apology) in full detail. We have quite a few people who are already on the list and have pre-placed their order. For those who can wait a couple more weeks, give us a call and we will put you down for the color and style carpet that you are looking for. We will call you when it comes in and you won't be billed until your order is actually shipped!
Posted By: 340cpe
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/05/10 01:47 AM
Well DLW 4 REAL the only thing that I graciosly left out was that your representative told me that after the move you were unsure if you would be getting involved with carpets anymore and at this time, which keep in mind was mid december, you WERE NOT accepting any orders, only selling remaining inventory. Look I am not trying to start any argument here I am merely stating what my experiance was and the product that I bought was a great fit. I do appologize for not informing the resto world that you were moving to a new facility, your rep did tell me this but I thought it was irrelevent to the fact that I was told NO NEW orders were being taken at this time. I do not appreciate the belittling that you gave me in your responce, and far as I am concerned I spoke my peace and the issue is over. 340cpe
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/05/10 05:51 AM
Your "belittling" occurred because of YOUR response. I simply exposed it!
Posted By: Snoopy
Re: FINALLY! FACTORY EXACT AUTO CARPET!!! - 03/05/10 06:34 AM
Dave,
I wouldn't buy your carpeting if you gave it to me.
Of course, I'll be getting the carpet from ECS!.JPG "3916840-Barracuda(Small).JPG")
