One was given to me in pieces and the other was one that I bought and in the process of rebuilding. The lathe is a 11x36 Rockwell from 1957, the mill is a mid 1970's to late 1980's 6x26 from tiawan. I need to scrape both in and then I can start using them. I am waiting on a few parts for the lathe, a couple of gears, belts and then what ever I find in the varidrive that is not working and need to fix. Its just time and money! tim