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I have searched (because I know this has been requested before) but can not find the thread or photo.
I have basically completed the Dash Resto of my 70 Challenger and I am doing the final check to make sure that I have everything routed and positioned correctly. I would appreciate if someone could post a full photo of the back side for reference.
Thank you..I would appreciate it.
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Thanks. Now, I know that 1/2 of what I have is right.   The previous owner added the "c. light" group to the car. I found some suspect spots that harness and am not going to use it. I am going to use the glovebox light though. Can it go into the same orange feed that feeds the gauge lights and the cigarette lighter bulb or should it plug in elsewhere? Based on the photo above it looks like it may go into the 3 way pink plug. Thanks, Joe
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It was part of the A01 option package.
If your fender tag doesn't list A01, it's not used.
Cool, so if you install the A01 wire harness you get the headlight buzzer?  I just picked one up on e-gag. I know I'm thread hijacking, sorry, but I can't count the number of times I've left the lights on and killed the battery.
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A01 = Light Package:
Glove Box Lock, Map/Courtesy Light, Reading And Dome Light, Glove Box Light, Ash Receiver Light, Trunk Compartment Light, Hood/Fender Turn Signal Lights, Ignition Switch Light With Timer, Headlight On Buzzer And Headlight Switch Light With Timer.
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Snoopy, for some reason the last PDF attachments will not download. The first 2 you did downloaded fine.
Joe,
I just tried them and they work. Try right clicking on the attachment and either save target or print target.
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I tried save target and get error messages when I try to open them. Maybe it's an acrobat version problem. I'll have to look into it further I guess.
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Joe,
I'm glad to see your working hard. My car finally made it to the body shop. Hopefully I will be reassembling this winter.
Any pictures of how the dash is turning out???
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I'm glad to see your working hard. My car finally made it to the body shop. Hopefully I will be reassembling this winter.
Any pictures of how the dash is turning out???
Tom
Hey Tom!
Yes, I'm getting some things done and it's good therapy and stress relief. It has been a hard spring/summer with our infant. She will not eat or drink and the Dr.s do not know why and are baffled. Healthy and normal in every way but just wont' eat or drink. Since late April, she has to have her feedings via feeding tube so that she will maintain her weight. She is being sent to Vanderilt shortly to see if they can figure out what the problem might be.
The dash is facing a wall so that I can finish up the wiring so it's hard to get a photo of the front right now. Here is a photo that I took a week or two ago of it before it had the speakers mounted, lower trim and glovebox installed.
I hope to start on the Heaterbox resto this weekend.
Can't wait to see your project...I need some pics for motivation buddy. 
Joe
Joe,
Sorry to hear that your daughter is having problems. I was hoping that all is well. Hopefully the specialist will find something, then get her on to the road to recovery! I'll will keep her in my prayers.
On a lighter note, I know what you mean about restoration being good for your own state of mind. I do it all the time
Your dash looks great! I'll post a pic of mine.......
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A01 = Light Package:
Glove Box Lock, Map/Courtesy Light, Reading And Dome Light, Glove Box Light, Ash Receiver Light, Trunk Compartment Light, Hood/Fender Turn Signal Lights, Ignition Switch Light With Timer, Headlight On Buzzer And Headlight Switch Light With Timer.
well since we're on the subject, I have the A01 option in my cuda and I have the headlight buzzer and headlight delay. I noticed that there is a red wire coming off the timer that NEEDS to be plugged into BATTERY for the time to work. does anyone know where this connection is made. right now its plugged into the BAT terminal on the fuse block.
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Where is the timer located?
i actually checked the service manual last night. fig 26 shows it all.
I have 2 green wires going into a female bullet type connector. the male side is a yellowish wire that goes into a fuse holder. comes out the other side into a harness with a small black wire the red wire. thsoe wires go to the headlight relay up under the left side cowl area. the other side of the red wire that goes to the relay goes to the BAT terminal on the fuse block. the other side of the small black wire goes to an accessory feed under the dash (one of those 3 terminal black connectors with a tan wire on it).
the timer is a little cylinder looking thingy (looks like an old flourescent light starter) and is just shoved up under the dash
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Where is the timer located?
i actually checked the service manual last night. fig 26 shows it all.
I have 2 green wires going into a female bullet type connector. the male side is a yellowish wire that goes into a fuse holder. comes out the other side into a harness with a small black wire the red wire. thsoe wires go to the headlight relay up under the left side cowl area. the other side of the red wire that goes to the relay goes to the BAT terminal on the fuse block. the other side of the small black wire goes to an accessory feed under the dash (one of those 3 terminal black connectors with a tan wire on it).
the timer is a little cylinder looking thingy (looks like an old flourescent light starter) and is just shoved up under the dash
Snoopy, here is a photo of it from my harness. This should be the timer.
Joe
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Since we're showing off dashboards...
Can I play too?
You can play! Very nice
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Where is the timer located?
the timer is a little cylinder looking thingy (looks like an old flourescent light starter) and is just shoved up under the dash
Cucu, I am very surprized to hear that Chrysler just shoved the time delay can up under the dash where it would rattle around and drive everyone nuts. I was expecting it was mounted in a clip like the turn signal relay is mounted to the ash tray. I checked my service manual and there is no diagram showing how to install it.
Snoopy, thanks for straightening me out. No wonder it wouldn't fit right when I tried to install it in the car.
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Where is the timer located?
the timer is a little cylinder looking thingy (looks like an old flourescent light starter) and is just shoved up under the dash
Cucu, I am very surprized to hear that Chrysler just shoved the time delay can up under the dash where it would rattle around and drive everyone nuts. I was expecting it was mounted in a clip like the turn signal relay is mounted to the ash tray. I checked my service manual and there is no diagram showing how to install it.
Snoopy, thanks for straightening me out. No wonder it wouldn't fit right when I tried to install it in the car.
well, let me rephrase that- it was shoved up under the dash and wrapped around someof the harness when I GOT IT. most likely not like that when it came from the factory. my wiring was hacked to hell and back when I got my car.
If anyone knows where its SUPPOSED to be mounted, I'd love to put it in its correct location.
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I am going to use the glovebox light though. Can it go into the same orange feed that feeds the gauge lights and the cigarette lighter bulb or should it plug in elsewhere? Based on the photo above it looks like it may go into the 3 way pink plug.
Thanks, Joe
If I recall correctly, the lights fed by orange wires use a switched power, and the lights fed by pink wires use a switched ground. If you swap them around they don't quite work right.
In this example, the orange power feed wire is switched by the headlight switch, so those lights are only lit when you have the switch turned on.
The glovebox light (having a pink wire) should have power all the time, but is only lit when it recieves a ground from the glovebox switch (door open).
If you were to plug the glove box light into the orange power feed, it would only be lit when it had both ground AND power, meaning that it would only light when the glove box door was open, AND the headlight switch was on.
If you don't feel that you'll need the glovebox light in the daytime, this may be a workable solution for you, but I'm pretty sure the factory had it plugged into a pink wire feed.
By the way, your dash looks great!
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Didn't read this till tonight, plug the glove box light's pink wire into any one of the three pink accessory feeds.  I think the relay hangs free in space & doesn't rattle at all. Hey cucu...can you please post a pic of what your A01 harness looks like, the one with the fuse holder. I'd like to check to see if mine is identical and ready to go. I think I have to find where that yellow bullet connector gets plugged into from the posted pic of the relay above too. Cool bro...thanks for the info Tav & good luck guys, the dashes look dynamite...
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See if this helps.
Thats the Headlight Delay Relay which keeps your headlights on if you turn them off after turning the ignition off...The Delay Relay shaped like a flouresent lamp starter being discussed is for the key switch/headlight switch lamps...
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How about this.
yups thats what mine looks like. and it looks like it does just hang there. what a riot!
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How about this.
yups thats what mine looks like. and it looks like it does just hang there. what a riot!
And that time delay also is used for the seatbelt light in overhead console equipted cars...Keeps the seatbelt light on a few seconds after the doors are closed.. Does anyone have a pic of the actual headlight delay relay in Snoopy's original pic ???? I tried for the headlight delay and it did'nt work...I think mine is missing from that upper cowl location so I'll have to go back through my electrical parts and see if I forgot to install it {If I know what I'm looking for }....
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does this pic from '70 Plymouth FSM help anyone? Or is this the A/C delay relay Snoopy mentioned earlier.
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This is the only picture of a headlight delay relay that I have. It is labeled as a 70, but I can't confirm. The parts book calls out a relay with a bracket for 71, but not 70. Did the 70 have a built in bracket?
If you know what this relay is for, let me know so I can rename the photo.
It turns out this is a Low Fuel Relay.
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no, thats for the AC system.
Ive searched the FSM hi an lo and the headlight delay relay location is not shown...
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This is the only picture of a headlight delay relay that I have. It is labeled as a 70, but I can't confirm. The parts book calls out a relay with a bracket for 71, but not 70. Did the 70 have a built in bracket?
If you know what this relay is for, let me know so I can rename the photo.
Snoopy,I think ebodyseast called it... That relay in the pic looks like the low fuel relay for the overhead console "low fuel" indicator..Here's a comparison pic...  And a pic of the low fuel relay in it's position on the dash frame,passenger side next to the glovebox liner...Note the connector in this one...It sure looks like the same terminal configuration as your pic... 
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From the Plymouth Factory Service Manual Fig 26
Try this diagram.
Thanks..that's the one. Joe 
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You guys put some great stuff out to help out Joe, this is his thread so thanks Joe, also hate to hear about your daughter...best of luck & hope great news is right around the corner waiting for you guys... I may have a unique harness & options + missing items so my problems may be confusing to others and to myslf. My car has the A01 option, but no headlamp relay, and no harness. Still like to see what one looks like. It must be secured by a bracket & screw by the looks of the pics posted. Like sceamindriver, I'm looking through my electrical parts to help anyone else here out too.
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I also found that the headlamp warning buzzer connector on my harness isn't plugged into anything, anyone got a pic of a headlamp warning buzzer. The connector is two reds and two blacks/yellow tracers and is just above the turn signal and ignition steering column connectors in the harness.
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Snoopy, I think the key in buzzer and the headlamp warning buzzer are not one in the same.
Here is the headlamp warning buzzer in the diagram. Two reds, two blacks/yellow tracers. There is a 'diode' mentioned that is the male end.
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the headlamp warning buzzer in the above wiring diagram I posted is what I am also wondering about.
It's the grey female 2 way connector - seen below top left. Approx. a foot above the bulkhead connector or approx. 6 inches above the turn signal and ignition steering column wiring connectors. The diagram shows installed w/ male 'diode.' This isn't the key in buzzer harness connector previously seen in a few of the other pics already posted earlier.
Was this connector used for anything as the diagram suggests, or a late decision to not use and make the key in buzzer also the headlamp warning buzzer?
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Headlight delay relay...
Thanks for the pic Randy...I don't recall anyone ever posting the E-body HLD relay before....Definitely different than the 70 B body piece
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the headlamp warning buzzer in the above wiring diagram I posted is what I am also wondering about.
It's the grey female 2 way connector - seen below top left. Approx. a foot above the bulkhead connector or approx. 6 inches above the turn signal and ignition steering column wiring connectors. The diagram shows installed w/ male 'diode.' This isn't the key in buzzer harness connector previously seen in a few of the other pics already posted earlier.
Was this connector used for anything as the diagram suggests, or a late decision to not use and make the key in buzzer also the headlamp warning buzzer?
OK here's the story on that connector... ...The connector is obviously part of the main harness as you can see...It's purpose is to bring the key-in buzzer circuit{Q13-18R) and the headlight switch circuit{L6-18BK/Y*} together in the same location....On cars without the A01 light group it is simply an unused connector...But the on the cars with the A01 or the headlight delay that connector gets a factory installed diode to bridge the connector in a way that the current from the headlight switch will activate the now double duty key-in buzzer....The diode itself in this case is simply a blocking diode where the current will pass through it from the headlight switch but will not allow the current from the key-in switch to backfeed to the headlight switch circuit...So that leads us to the main objective.... If you want your key in buzzer switch to perform the double duty of the headlight warning buzzer you need to install a diode bridging that connector...  ...
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this is an interesting topic screamindriver, and thanx for the researching and info you've just given us.  the pic of the rallye dash with the headlamp delay label is the first i've seen, must have been an option of very limited production. i've owned a couple of 70-71 e bodys that have the A01 package, none had that diode above installed into the harness.  there was an ebody headlamp delay relay that sold on ebay recently - last week ($45?)- hope one of you guys snatched it up! it was so tempting to bid on it - alas - if it is so lp, then it belonged on a car that truly needed a replacement. i do know where one more NOS unit may/might be had...for a price ($125.)  guess i need to start tracking down yet one more rare & ever elusive part (a correctly wrapped/insulated diode like above in pic) for my ride...in case i ever jump out & leave the headlights on & the key in the ignition. More so, in an attempt to replace those parts I've found that are/were MIA. Let me know if any one has a spare diode...will pay top dollar for a nice used example - or any leads on where to secure one. Any one that had a problem before this thread - hope you guys got them all straightened out. 
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Colin - thanks again brother...great detective work...you too Snoopy!  That's the e body relay that just sold on ebay...
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well i have the A01 and I have the delay relay (but its from a C body- now I see why I cant put screws into both holes- cause its not the right relay). my timer does NOT have that little cloth wrapped diode on it as far as I can see.
And here there funny part. both my key in buzzer AND headlight warning buzzer work perfectly. and the headlight delay works as well.
now, that being said, I did gather up most of these parts at a junk yard years and years ago so maybe I have the wrong parts. but they work
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OK here's the story on that connector... ...
The Roadlamp relay plugs into that connector on 70 Cudas'
Correct !!! Which leads us to the next step on that connector...As Snoopy has pointed out if the car has road lamps the wiring harness from the lamps plug into that connector...I'm going to borrow two pics that Beepbeep{thanks Beepbeep !} has posted in the past instead of going out and standing on my head for the pics... Here's another shot of that busy connector....  .... And here's a pic of the 70 roadlamp harness....Take note that the connector marked "headlight warning buzzer" does in fact plug into that connector and in turn has another plug for the diode to do it's job...  
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Perhaps Beepbeep will see this and post some pictures, he sent a couple when I had a question and said he had a lot more of every part of the back of original dashes including wiring.
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WOW, These dashes look beautiful !!! You're all doing some great work....I've tried to follow different threads over the years on that diode and it's use and have'nt seen any real good answers on what the deal is....It definitely was used on some models and actually one of the pics snoopy posted has a pic of the factory diode...I'm not sure where these pics originated but I saved this one because I thought it was an interesting subject...This is the color version of the one snoopy posted with the highlighted "diode"....
how is this diode connected into the harness? any photoes of that?
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Hi Snoopy, I've added the 70 diode to the list and have been looking now as I'm hitting the area's boneyards and I've come up empty handed...I've got one yard that needs to be picked through in the winter after the jungle recedes... .....Judging by the literature you've posted...The increased cost for the stand alone headlight delay compared to the AO1 package would lead us to believe it's the cost of the diode that would already be in place with the AO1 package....But it seems not all AO1 cars actually got the diode... And the research continues....
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BeepBeep is the only member I know that actually has an original car (70 Challenger) with the diode. This is a picture he took of the diode in one of his Challengers.  Maybe he will chime in with some information about the car.
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Does the buzzer work without the diode?
Only as the key-in buzzer...When the diode bridges the connector we've discussed then it serves double duty for the headlamp warning buzzer as well... I'm going to check with some of my friends here locally and see if the diode is in place on any of them...I know the one E-body has the factory headlight delay set-up.....
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Tell me where to look for that diod. I have the key in/lights on buzzer, with the headlight delay relay and it all works. the lights stay on for some minutes if I turn the ign off before the lights. the buzzer buzzes if I open the door with either the light switch on OR the key in.
So I must have it. I found the delay timer and the headlight relay for the headlights but I cant find that darn connector with the diode
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I posted all this in the HEADLIGHT RELAY !)! thread but Im posting here as well cause its relevant. i spent a LONG time under the dash last night and I finally figured out why Ive never seen that diode. cause I dont have one. but the funny thing was- my headlight buzzer and my key in buzzer work and that didnt make sense. so I looked and traced it all out and I figured out how MY system works and its nothing like the schematics posted or in my service manual or the posts up above. Someone might recogize the setup in my car and let me know WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON. or it could just be jimmy rigged. im thinking it was jimmy rigged under my dash, theres that black molded connector (Black) shaped like a T just like they show in the service manual schematic. There are 2 Black /w yel wires and 2 Red wires going to the T connector. one red goes to the steering columm key switch and the other red goes to the key in buzzer so when the key is in theres power to the key in buzzer (since these wires are tied together) But the mating connector is NOT the diode connector like its shown above. Theres a short (about 4" long) harness connected to it with T connectors on both ends with 2 yellow wires (which connect to Reds above) and a Red wire (which connects to the blk /w yell wires above). One of the two yellow wires goes into a harness (and that goes into a relay with some grn and a pink wire. I have no idea what it does) but the other yellow wire and Red wire run about 4"s to another T connector. That connector has a longer cable hooked up to it which is about 12" long. that cable is 2 wires- a blk and a yell wire. It ends at a relay looking thing mounted to the dash frame by the radio. I figured out that its a replacement the diode (or at least works like one). I'm not sure if its a factory replacement, an upgrade of some sort, or possibly from a later year harness, or just something the previous owner jimmy rigged to replace a blown out diode. Im betting on the latter just by looking at some of the other wiring mods to the car. So, when the lights are on, power comes from the Blk /w yell wire to that relay and energizes it. It closes and sends that 12v to the yellow wire that goes to the Red wire for the key in buzzer. with the lights off, the relay is open so the key in the ignition doesnt backfeed the light switch or the lights when IT powers up the buzzer. Here is a diagram of what I found. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/4795802-headlightwarningcircuit.pdf
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OK here's the story on that connector... ...
The Roadlamp relay plugs into that connector on 70 Cudas'
Correct !!! Which leads us to the next step on that connector...As Snoopy has pointed out if the car has road lamps the wiring harness from the lamps plug into that connector...I'm going to borrow two pics that Beepbeep{thanks Beepbeep !} has posted in the past instead of going out and standing on my head for the pics... Here's another shot of that busy connector.... .... And here's a pic of the 70 roadlamp harness....Take note that the connector marked "headlight warning buzzer" does in fact plug into that connector and in turn has another plug for the diode to do it's job...
and based on this post, its obvious that yjr little 4" harness I described above is correct cause it has the feed for the road lamps. All I need is the diode setp to replace the jimmy rigged real that I have and that wont be a problem since I can just use that mystery harness that goes to the mystery relay I have.
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btw, my drawing that I posted above is wrong. I switched the red and tellow wires in the drawing when I was writing them down. So it should go Blk w/yel goes to yellow and then to the yellow on that relay.
the red goes to the red and then to the blak at the relay.
thats what you get work upside down in a cramped area.
in any event, I soldered in a 1n4005 diode into that black and yellow harness that used to go to the relay and the headlight warning works great
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the optional standard dash map light & switch panel light bulb
That looks a little confusing ebodyseast. Could you explain that a little better?
The map light is on the bottom edge of dash frame by passengers left foot.
The title lamp lights up the switch panel.
The ignition lamp is the one in the steering column.
Just from memory, I was thinking all 3 came with the optional A01 light package, which was available with OR without rallye dash.
I didn't look at the diagram for this, but I'm thinking the map light has steady power with switched ground (typically yellow wires), the title lamp has steady ground with switched power (typically orange wires), and the ignition lamp is hooked up with the time delay somehow.
Seat belt lamp would be time delay too.
Tav
P.S. As a side note, the map light location moves from the dash frame to some plastic trim on AC cars, but I don't think this affects the wiring harness in any way.
Also the ignition lamp changed between 70 & 71. I'm not sure if that affected the wiring connector or not.
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How about this one. Item "J". It looks like it might be taped down to the wiring harness. Maybe someone can take a look on an unmolested car?
I just got to my dash. Mine is an unmolested 73 and the timer is wrapped into the harness upside down on the bundle going to the fuse block and the firewall connector. It is under the masking tape label in the picture.
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Hi
I read this thread carefully as I have lot of question marks in my dash wiring.
I'm restoring '70 Challenger SE that I bought in pieces, some of these pieces were from that car, some from other models and the biggest parts of these was missing. I live in Poland and there are just a few Challengers here.
Currently I try to put together optional light package.
I enclose three photos
first(bad picture, separate wire on paper), what is it? lamp has a black cylindrical housing, maybe not from Challenger
second (lamp on black floor), is it flood lamp? where it should go?
third (switch panel lamp) is it mounted correctly? is it called AC panel lamp? or switch panel lamp? is there any other switch panel lamp?
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third picture (how to put more pictures in one post?)
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Pic #1 - 95% pos this is NOT for '70 E Body Pic #2 - Lamp and wire for dash switches, installs in dash panel that houses the (3) instrument cluster bulbs Pic #3 - Mounted in correct position.
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I have original 70 (I think) key illumination - kind of plastic pipe.
I'll try to connect fuel gauge that way
Yesterday I powered up the wiring, and most of stuff that is already on place work without problems
Wiper motor (3 speed) has some problem, maybe wires in plug are put in wrong order, it stops when I switch them off, it should go back down and stop then. I'm also not sure, shouldn't it have intermittent function?
When I turn the switch a bit there is a click and motor starts to operate constantly, next 30deg or more nothing changes, then there is a point where I can feel that switch starts to turn bit harder and motor operates faster and faster to the end of switch movement, is it ok?
3 speed wipers have parking function? there is different motor arm without plastic round insert.
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On wiring diagram I found two blue wires that should go to some A/C delay relay mounted close to blower resistor, but I have no wires like these in my harness, and no relay or a sign of it on heater box, what was it?
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I have also map light question
map light is powered by pink wire and works with switched ground - yellow wire - but when I connect it to the bullet socket with two yellow wires like diagram says, then map light only works when I open the door - these yellow wires are switched to the ground by door switch, how do You connect it?
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third (switch panel lamp) is it called AC panel lamp? or switch panel lamp? is there any other switch panel lamp?
I think that's called the heater lamp. It lights up the heater controls (or AC if you have that). If I remember correctly, it came standard on all the E bodies. (probably not on the rare heater delete cars though)
Yes, there are other switch panel lamps.
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Pic #2 - Lamp and wire for dash switches, installs in dash panel that houses the (3) instrument cluster bulbs. (EDIT/ADDENDUM 4 BULBS IF YOU HAVE A RALLYE DASH)
Thanks, Now I see rectangular cutout with screw hole on side of light panel
This optional light is usually referred to as "Title Lamp" in factory literature.
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That panel has also three big "keyhole" shaped cutouts, what are these for?
The only thing that goes in that panel is the lights. (Note: the 70 challenger panel is slightly different than the one used on all the other E bodies.
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any idea where can I find door ajar switches? ones that go on the backside of the door, I have just connectors with inch long plastic pins - kind of part of these switches
That's an extremely hard part to find. Most people are using metal replacements similar to the ones used at the front of the door.
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Your pic #1 is the AO1 steering column key illumination light after 1970... ..It can't be used with the correct 1970 turn signal/flasher switch....
It also can't be used with the correct 1970 steering column (unless you modify the column).
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I have also map light question
map light is powered by pink wire and works with switched ground - yellow wire - but when I connect it to the bullet socket with two yellow wires like diagram says, then map light only works when I open the door - these yellow wires are switched to the ground by door switch, how do You connect it?
Hmmm... I don't have an assembled car here to look at right now, but I looked at a map light switch, and mine has a Z shaped grounding strap that grounds the switch housing to the metal dash frame. I'm thinking then that the ground would come through the yellow wire if the door was open, or through the dash frame/switch housing if the switch was ON?
Does it work properly if you ground the switch housing?
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HEY GUYS... I GOT IN MY HANDS A NOS 2983696 relay if someone needs. I'm fixing a 70 Charger that I'm not sure if will need or even if this relay is used to 70 B bodies.
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ok, but is it also on and off from one of the pins to the housing?
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it all confirms that map light can be used only with open door , but that makes no sense for me
Anyone having E-body with map light, how does it work in Your car?
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screamindriver - was it maplight in Ebody that you checked?
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I hope you guys can figure this out. I think I had the same problem a few years back on my 70 cuda and I gave up and just grounded the yellow to the dash frame. If it gets figured out maybe I can put mine together correctly. I know the switch housing is supposed to be grounded, but that doesn't seem to have any effect on the operation of the switch. ???? Tav
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Does anyone have a good picture of the 2 spade door jamb switch, mine appear to be missing one of the spade connectors.
I can only give you the same picture, mine is missing too.
There should be two male lugs on the switch.
Craig
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Does anyone have a good picture of the 2 spade door jamb switch, mine appear to be missing one of the spade connectors.
Here you go Snoopy...
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I regards to that I believe the Chrysler Service parts are too long as well (and have the plastic insulator).
And both of the plungers look too long for 71-74 B Body too.
Common sense is a flower that does not grow in everybody's garden
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I think the length on those is self adjusting. It starts out to long, then when you close the door the first time, the plunger slides inside the nut further.
Has anyone had problems with functionality/fitment of repops?
The plastic divider between the male terminals is pointless because both terminals are either grounded or not at the same time.
Tav
They are in common when grounded but they need to be isolated when the door is shut. Otherwise, the time delay lights illuminating the headlamp and ignition switches will come on every time the passenger door opens or the interior lamp switch on the panel dimmer comes on. Not a fatal error but just a fine detail.
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Logically, if that was the way it was suppose to work, Chrysler would have run a wire directly to ground instead of to the dome light switch. Better yet they would have used a switch that picked up it's ground through the switch housing and eliminated the extra wire and saved money.
Logically, they should have called it a Floor light rather than a Map light because all it was good for was lighting up the floor and the passengers feet.
So much for logic.
Finally I solved map light problem, that was too weird for me.
It works like I thought it should.
Map light & switch are mounted on lower plastic dash trim (A/C) so these are not grounded, but there should be special ground strap that goes to the dash.
Earlier I tried to ground switch housing just to try if that change anything and it didn't work.
That was another problem caused by loose element in the switch. Bottom isolator plate with electrical connections was not tight, I needed to crimp switch housing slightly. Between housing and isolator there is small metal tab that grounds one of the connections to the housing, it of course needs to have firm contact with housing.
I repaired the switch, made that special ground strap out of copper sheetmetal and it works.
map light function:
Switch ON - map light is on permanently, with dome on and off, with ignition on and off - so is true map light
Switch OFF - map light turnes on with dome and is just floor light
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Hi, seems like all questions are answered, as there is no reply for such a long time. This is the best documented thread I came across, thanks to all, who contributed. Many questions answered, where I was already sitting and thinking for a long time. Today I wanted to ask, where to put in the switch title light, which I got recently... This is also answered already, now I have to find that strange connector above the radio or in the strapped wires there. I have the headlight/key in buzzer, found the pink 3 pin connector for the glove box light (but only the middle pin is a connector) and thought I have all the wires, but maybe I'm missing the harness used for the maplight, the switch panel bulb AND the steering column title lamp, and the time delay relay too. CU   walkAbout
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Re: Need photo 70 E-Body Backside of Dash Please.
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11/26/12 08:17 PM
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Wow, this is an old thread back from a long slumber... ...I see the map light dual circuit switch function was answered by that grounding strap...I knew the map light switch served double duty but forgot about the strap completing the circuit{thanks BartekP}... WalkAbout, it sounds like you're missing the A01 light package harness...It connects all those components together... Mods, any chance we can get this thread archived after it runs it's course ???
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Re: Need photo 70 E-Body Backside of Dash Please.
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11/27/12 05:29 PM
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walkAbout, it sounds like you're missing the A01 light package harness...It connects all those components together...
It seems like that. As I don't wanna have the map light, the question is, how is the switch title light operated originally?
The updated A01 wiring shows it bridged to a connector called "to ignition switch lamp". Does it mean, there comes the ignition positive and the light shines all the time the ignition is on?
For my understanding this makes sense and I like to have it like this. Besides driving in the night it would also shine to the switches if you enter a tunnel or a dark area...
So I could it also connect to the ignition or maybe the ACC?
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Re: Need photo 70 E-Body Backside of Dash Please.
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11/28/12 04:33 PM
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Thanks, at this time I don't have the ignition key light, so I will connect the switch title lamp to ACC for now. Let's see, what is collectible over the time (harness/delay relay).. Here is an other good pic of the needed cable, which I borrowed maybe from here (sale section) which was then labeled dash map light. CU walkAbout
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....And the part number and date code on the mounting tab... 
....Now for comparison here's an nos 70 B body piece... 
....And lastely an NOS 70 C body relay... 
....Now...If you look closely the actual relay insert and casing is the same across the board...It's the mounting hardware that's different and the C body piece is real close to the E body part....So again, if originality was'nt a factor or you had a shot insert you could swap the guts, or just use the other body style relays and it would still do the job..... 
...Dug out an old connector and wired/soldered the diode in place...Take note which way the diode band needs to face to block the backfeed current...The paper is a reference for the diode placement and direction{from the FSM}... 
... And lastely the finished product gets wrapped with some cloth tape and I made up a tag for ID... 
Total cost less than 5 bucks !!!! 
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..It can't be used with the correct 1970 AO1 turn signal/flasher switch....On your overhead console low fuel relay : Both blue wires will be connected to the fuel gauge...When using the relay,the black wire gets disconnected from the back of the gauge and is unused...The blue wire{relay} takes it's place...
...I've used a few of the aftermarket jamb switches...Both the "concours" and the normal repops and haven't had any problems with either... And yes they are adjustable...When you initially install the switch you need to put a piece of tape on the door frame so you don't chip the paint any more than nessesary...Then close the door slowly so the switch will adjust to the gap....
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