Yes, I understood what you said. At this point I dont think they need alot of work. Maybe a v job and some milling. I'm curious to get sanchez opinion on these as well. They did work well on another combo and the 2 things he had that my combo dont is compression and a roller, oh and he used a victor intake. I'm very confident the higher compression will bring the combo together. For what I would get out of these and the intake, I would still have to put in $2000 or more by the time I bought the rockers and pushrod. Then I'm not sure my headers would bolt up. Decisions decisions