I, for one, know very well that when jumping into anything new, there is always a learning curve. Tubing thrown away after making different bends isn't a "waste". It is helping me learn to make the best cage possible for my car, and maybe others. It seems that the JD2 unit is the big winner, hands down. Are there any other sources for purchase besides factory direct that might offer discounts? Any Moparts members a wholesaler for them?