All though they are listed on Summit they show no price and are "unavailable" when put in the shopping cart. I think these tires were long ago discontinued. I've tried searches in the past for these and usually end up with a bunch of garbage results. My only hope would be to find some NOS somewhere but no luck on the Web. In fact I've totally bombed on finding any 4 ply bias front tires that would even sort of match up to these. That is why I was leaning towards the SRs. Not the best handling tire out there I'm sure but a least they're 15" and not stupid money for a set of 4.