super gas
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,221
Branson, Mo.
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If your NOT disagreeing with me then what is your point  , i'm not getting it, your saying it takes TONs of $$$ to make them run 11s (thats BS), you say they are turds in a sence (thats total BS), i personally hang with some of these guys at my local track, i know whats in there cars for the most part. Do they have $$ in them, yes to a point they do, some more then others, you need to realize these cars are VERY light, & taking weight off of them is free (just like any other car), & it doesn't take much HP to make 2000 lbs. run fast.
My whole point behind my reply was don't under estimate these civics. If you think there so slow, bring your whatever down here & i'll get a guy to run you at the track.
2000 lbs sounds like a very gutted, race only car. You are correct in that they can be underestimated, but not many are actually fast because the cars are not designed for performance, they are cheap economy cars, and the engines are pretty efficient to begin with so there isn't much power left to unlock. Maybe the guys you know are aware of something that no one I know is aware of, but all of the cars I know of that actually can move have alot of money in them and they dont hold up very long when they're taching 9000+ rpm.
MY point is that every Civic with a fart can isn't capable of what you're talking about. I know that YOU know that, I'm just making the point for the guys on the forum who are unfamiliar with them so that they don't get the wrong idea about what you're saying.
In the last few years I've gotten to quite a few cruise nights to hear my Mopar buddies talking about blowing the doors off of some ricer car, but they have no idea what it was. It really makes a difference. They could have raced some fart can Civic that runs 17s, they could have race one of your buddy's gutted Civics that run high 11s, they could have raced a Subaru with a turbo back and a tune that runs high 12s. They don't know the difference, to them they are all ricer cars, and I'm trying to give the guys who don't know a better understanding of whats going on. I know that you're trying to do the same but to me you're making it sound like every fart can Civic runs 11s, even though I'm sure that's not your intention.
That was not my intention, i was only going off of what i've seen, just like ANY hot rod, there are boneheads who don't need a wrench in there hand, OR they have a very low budget (but knowledge) OR they have tons of $$ & no brains, but thats with ANY hot rod, now as i was saying, i was mainly going off his/there claim of 300 HP, sure that sounds like a low figure, which it is when trying to pull 32-3300 lbs., not 2200, & i will garuantee you thats about where these civics are in weight from the factory, Alot of these ricers that the muscle car guys are beating for the most part aren't that fast, & last but not least, if you read my earlier reply on page 1, I mentioned of my friends Civic that pulls off mid-high 10s @ 140+ WITH issues on every pass, its a 9 second car, but the track prep won't hold it on friday nights at our track, he runs stock trannys (thats the weak link), but tares them up from time to time, He did tell me there wasn't a ton of money in the car, he ran the ricer curcuit last year, he is a really cool guy, he loved my Dart, he too loves American muscle, he's thinking of building a Mopar, just doesn't know what. He helped a friend slap together a Junker Civic with spare parts & it runs in the 11s @ 115+ & the block is stock, that i do know. It is a slap together to say the least, so it can be done IF you know these cars.
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