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If its a stock engine internally enough boost to make any power will turn it into a grenade.



Not neccessarily. They don't need much to make them move, good clutch set-up & axles/sticky tires/exhaust ect. & they can run 12s all day on a small boost. Heres a link, notice how fast the Neon runs with stock internals, & the weight too, they weigh about like a civic.

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2884128



Yeah but thats an SRT-4 engine, which came with a turbo. I dont know what a civic has for a compression ratio but i'm sure its at least 9.5:1. We'll say that maybe it will take 7 lbs of boost safely, that might make 275 to the crank as a best cast scenario, depending on what engine they started with, so we're talking more like 225 to the wheels, not 300.

Civics are not only the butt end of our jokes, they are the butt end of jokes from the tuner crowd too, and for good reason. You can not make them fast and hold up without spending insane amounts of money. I know guys who spent 8K on an engine to run 13.50s in a 2600 lb car. Can you make them fast? Yes. But you will spend way more than you would to make a better car as fast.

The guys dropping 8K on an engine to run 13.50s could easily have bought an LT1 or LS1 GM product and done a gear swap and run faster, with more potential to improve. They also could have bought a car that came with a turbo, like a WRX, and just done bolt ons and cranked up the boost. I know the tuner cars are very capable from working on them. You can make them VERY fast. Hondas are not tuner cars though, they are just cars. With the cost involved with making them run and hold up its like guys are removing the valve cover and literally pouring money into the engines. And lets not forget, to make them really run you have to get an engine all built up to take the boost, then spend a few thousand to turbo it.

Back on topic do whatever makes it fastest. If you can't tune the Carter to come close to the times the Holley makes it run then the answer is no you don't.



Who are your kidden, they don't sink any more into there cars then we do, but obviously you must be an exspert on imports ..



I never claimed to be an expert, and the same could be said about you as you seem to be some sort of expert. The bottom line is that Hondas are no cars to try to make run. These guys sink over 10K into an engine that they then have to turbocharge to get a super light and gutted car to run. After thats all said and done, you have a transmission and axles that dont even stand a chance holding up to the power without tons of money spent and the car is still a front wheel drive turd thats not going to hook. As I said there are import cars that are worth working on because you can make them run cheap, but Hondas aren't one of them. I know alot of guys with older cars think that Honda's are the majority import tuner cars. The race the little Civics and smoke them and think "I don't get these kids their cars are slow as could be." The Civics, for the most part, are not fast in anyway.

Im not ignoring your point so there is no need to give me a rolling eyes smiley because I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out the fact that it costs way more to make those turds run than a car that was designed to be a performance car. Can you make them run? Yes. Do many of them run hard? Absolutely not, no one wants to drop 20-30K into a Civic to run 11s.

Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street