If your NOT disagreeing with me then what is your point , i'm not getting it, your saying it takes TONs of $$$ to make them run 11s (thats BS), you say they are turds in a sence (thats total BS), i personally hang with some of these guys at my local track, i know whats in there cars for the most part. Do they have $$ in them, yes to a point they do, some more then others, you need to realize these cars are VERY light, & taking weight off of them is free (just like any other car), & it doesn't take much HP to make 2000 lbs. run fast.

My whole point behind my reply was don't under estimate these civics. If you think there so slow, bring your whatever down here & i'll get a guy to run you at the track.