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The main disconnect here seems to be that the vast majority of Mopar guys are content to run motors in the 750 or so HP range. Be they bracket racers, test n tuners, stop racers, street guys or whatever. In that range parts are plentiful, cheaper and there seems to be no problem getting them..........Then you have a group of guys who want to make more power. They seem to have no problem ponying up the money for mega-blocks, Indy blocks, KB, B-1s etc, but parts are harder to get and a little more costly. The first group seems to have no problem with the second group.........Then comes the third group. The guys who want to make serious power and or be able to compete on a head to head basis with other brands and do it with Mopar power. This is the group that is always lamenting the fact that Mopar R&D and new parts is virtually non existant at this level and pointing out the fact that there are no parts to do what you want and none on the horizon. Some in group one seem to have a real problem with group three and want to label them "elitest" or some such other bullsh%t and call them not REAL Mopar guys because they complain about parts or choose to go other routes to accomplish what they want. They are content and can't seem to understand why others are not..........THAT is the problem. They only see it from their point of view

Monte



You forgot the part of where the "group three" whines and blames the others because they can't pick up the phone and have the parts they want shipped next day. And they want 20 plus heads to choose from......And blocks available in any bore space and deck height they desire...
And then there are the group four guys that are out there racing instead of whining and blaming others about having no parts.....

So in your obvious infinite wisdom of all things drag racing and making big power.........why is it wrong for some of us to desire the same options that the other brands have.

And of course somebody always brings up fuel HEMIs. Not everybody runs top fuel, so it would be nice to be able to build a motor that can compete equally in OTHER classes without having to bolt turbos or blowers on it.

Dewayne Mills car has a 481X motor in it, which is an Oldsmobile head

Monte




Just wondering, what is the bore spacing on the pro stock hemi head? If someone was to make a tall deck block that would fit that head, would it be a viable option? As i see it, any way you slice it, it will "look" like a chevy engine regardless of what block gets put under the head.

If the pro stock hemi head would serve as a foundation for a big inch mopar engine, lets all get together and have someone start making blocks to fill the void.

Pro-Stock is limited to a 4.900 bore space and has been for years. While it would be nice, a 4.900 motor is pretty much useless except for Pro-Stock, as you are still limited on bore size and parts are non existent. And while the Pro-Stock HEMI is NOT a REAL HEMI, the design is still not ideal for other classes, as that head is specifically designed for 500" racing. There were some 5.0 Pro-Stock MEMI heads at one time for IHRA, they were pretty much one off stuff and even if you had one, you would be WAY behind on technology there. The baddest N/A motors on the planet, run in big inch IHRA Pro-Stock trim and that is where the Sonnys head rules the roost. And before anybody chimes in with "that is a HEMI".......that head resembles a Chrysler HEMI about as much as a Briggs and Stratton head does. For the MAJORITY of classes where big power and inches are the answer, a WEDGE head is the choice of 99% of guys. Even in what are just considered "fast bracket" classes these days, Top Sportsman and Top Dragster, big engines are the norm, with a 632 being extremely small these days. The Ford and Chevy guys who do still have those small motors, have to really push that stuff hard to make those fields these days. And that is what camastomcat is referring to. If THOSE guys are struggling, what chance do you have with the 20+ year old technology the Mopar crowd is saddled with? The answer is not much. And we are talking to JUST MAKE the field at many big races, much less be near the top. In these classes, 5.0 bore space 700" motors are the norm and the 5.300 stuff is becoming more and more prevalent.

Now you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that we(Mopar guys) are a VERY small percentage of the drag racing scene and as such the demand for top of the line parts will be VERY small, because there just aren't enough interested in doing that type stuff. Guys like 6pakrunner think we are blaming other Mopar guys for the lack of parts, when in fact we are only pointing out that with the small percentage of Mopar guys interested in doing that type racing, that the ROI on developing such parts is just NOT there and NEVER will be. So blaming.......NO.......pointing out the obvious......yes. That is no knock on guys who are content to run 10s, just stating facts. Yet guys like him try and spin it and pit one group against another........which definitely does our hobby no good.

And then you get to the point that guys DO decide to move on in other directions and guys like him are quick to label us as "sellouts" and "not REAL Mopar guys", while in truth HE is the one who is a "sellout" because he is willing to abandon his fellow Moparites, because we are not doing it like he thinks we should and calls us "whiners"...........yeah, that always helps the situation

Monte