I see what you are talking about jcc. On the Cuda we are building the bars are much lower and attach to the frame connectors through the floor, that are also round tub. Connectors join up with the rear frame at the back and the run through the Transmission cross member and up to near the fire wall and to the front frame. He could have a ladder bar mount in the position of his bars or not. On the Cuda we are doing it also has an anti sway bar that runs from one frame rail to the other and has other support pieces.