I have used many different systems and they all have their ups and their downs. I have hand built wiring harnesses and sometimes that is what you have to do in order to get everything exactly the way you want it but many times it is easier to deal with something that is already made and use it to the best of your ability even if it has just a little more than you need. Monte that is a really nice looking set up you did! And like said before thank you for all of your input on here. Even I learn quite a bit from you even about wiring and that is what I do. Every time you see the way someone else does something you pick up on things and rethink the way you do it to make yourself better.