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Hit the DYNO! Results are IN Now with VIDS #650005
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Looks like Scott has been busy in the last week cuz he called me to tell me we should be ready to make some pulls tomorrow.

I knew we were getting close but I thought we had a little more to do

Here's a recap just to rehresh everyones memory.

72 440 block bored .030 decked so pistons are .010 in the hole
Wiesco Pro Tru pistons 12.05-1 compression
K1 rods
Facotry forged crank turned .010/.010 and balanced.

Cam
Comp cams Magnum series
Duration at .050" Lift 262 int./262 exh
Actual lift using 1.6 intake and 1.5 exh 578 int and 555 exh.
Installed at 108.5*'s

Edelbrock heads
Milled to .064 cc chambers
Hand ported By Scott Koffel
Flow data.....

Lift/int/exh
.100/83.05/69.55
.200/161.46/113.46
.300/230.23/143.98
.400/280.46/178.41
.500/312.75/200.32
.600/317.25/214.40
.700/319.50/222.23
.800/319.50/228.49


Team G intake worked and matched to heads



APD built 950HP alky carb



2 1/8 hooker SC w/ 3.5 collectors

MSD dist W/ Fircore 50's


Hope I didn't leave anything out

Anyone have any thoughts on what it might put out?



Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: WILD BILL] #650006
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535.62 HP

669.1 FT LBS

Nice build, glad to see shes getting close!!


Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: WILD BILL] #650007
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Sounds like a good combo i wish i was close to the motor phase instead of "the ugly mockup motor" phase Lol! i would guess just under 600 hp

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: Moparnut426] #650008
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never tried to guess before but looks like about 610hp/585tq
?
good luck,
looks like a nice build to me!

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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: Moparnut426] #650009
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I am goin 715 @ 7k and 570 torque @ 5300

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535.62 HP

669.1 FT LBS

Nice build, glad to see shes getting close!!








That's about what my old motor made

Here's the specs on that one


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440, .030 over
cast crank
6LY rods
hyper pistons sitting .070 in the hole
CR is 8.6 to 1

OOTB Eddy heads (Intake Valve Diameter (in) 2.140 in. Exhaust Valve Diameter (in) 1.810 in.)

Cam, (solid lift)
Intake Valve Lift with 1.5 Ratio 0.555 in.
Exhaust Valve Lift with 1.5 Ratio 0.555 in.
Duration at 050 inch Lift 262 int./262 exh.
Did NOT degree it in just lined up the dots but..
Lobe Separation (degrees) 110
Intake Centerline: 106

Team G intake

750 BG claw (running 110 oct)

MSD dist locked out @ 38*s

2 1/8 hooker SC headers.





And it's sheet



Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: emarine01] #650011
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I assume its on alky?
590hp 600tq

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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: WILD BILL] #650013
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Bill what was it last time on alky? I assume your
going straight to alky with that carb

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it shall make the power of 5,000 oldsmobile cutlass supremes!


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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: tboomer] #650017
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632 HP
579 FT.LBS. TORQUE

LOOKS LIKE YOU BE A 10.60 RIDE.

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Bill i am realy excited for you!if you do it later in the day i think i can come out and watch/help.i know you will have plenty of video.668 hp and 588 tq

[668 hp and 588 tq ]




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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: WILD BILL] #650020
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Plenty of headder for that motor, Bill..maybe alky wants more.


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what does the winner get Wild Billy?

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #650022
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Bill what was it last time on alky? I assume your
going straight to alky with that carb






After a little tweaking it made 622hp on alky last time.

We'll be using a gas carb to break it in and seat the rings then it's all Booze after that

Mike, my dad is in the same boat. He has to work but I'm hoping he can leave a little early and watch some of the pulls.


I'm sure there will be a few things we need to button up as well as breaking it in.

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what does the winner get Wild Billy?







Have to see if I can come up with anything



I could always send ya my old timing chain

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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: emarine01] #650026
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I am goin 715 @ 7k and 570 torque @ 5300


Oopps, I thought that 262 cam was a roller so.... 685hp and 565tq

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: emarine01] #650027
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I DON'T KNOW..BUT It will be more than before HEHEHAHA LOL..What did it make as it was. when you pull it out of the car..

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Quote:

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Bill what was it last time on alky? I assume your
going straight to alky with that carb






After a little tweaking it made 622hp on alky last time.

We'll be using a gas carb to break it in and seat the rings then it's all Booze after that

Mike, my dad is in the same boat. He has to work but I'm hoping he can leave a little early and watch some of the pulls.


I'm sure there will be a few things we need to button up as well as breaking it in.



So did it make 535 or 622? How many motors are you talking about?

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670 hp
560 tq

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So did it make 535 or 622? How many motors are you talking about?




Sorry, didn't mean to confuse anyone

It made 535hp on gas as it came out of the car.

We then put an 850 APD alky carb on it and made a few timing changes and got it up to the 622hp.

it was on the same motor just the 2 different fuels

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you picked up nearly 100 HP just by switching to alcohol?! I may need to reconsider my reluctance to switch to E85!


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I would think the increased compression and increased head flow should be worth around 80 to 100 HP.

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632 HP
579 FT.LBS. TORQUE

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We also increased the plug gap and retarded the timing 3 deg

Scott sent me some pics he took to update everyone as to where the motor is now















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Bill is the port on the back of the intake for a lean
out valve... looks good... when will you hit the dyno

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660/590

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Looks very nice Bill

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Bill is the port on the back of the intake for a lean
out valve... looks good... when will you hit the dyno



Lean out valve, whats that about

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Quote:

Quote:

Bill is the port on the back of the intake for a lean
out valve... looks good... when will you hit the dyno



Lean out valve, whats that about




You have a valve inside the car to open up so it will
lean the engine out so you built heat... for alky

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Quote:

Bill is the port on the back of the intake for a lean
out valve... looks good... when will you hit the dyno






That port was on the intake when I bought it (swap meet ) But yes, I was planning on using it for a leanout valve.


Unless that's not a good spot for it.

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Awesome Bill and fantastic work Scott. Good luck on with the pulls. I'll say 665 hp.

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Scott, it looks very pretty! Now, put it thru the paces!

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Now, put it thru the paces!






Tomorrow after noon




Wanna bet I don't sleep much tonight

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Thankx Mike

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Tomorrow after noon




Wanna bet I don't sleep much tonight





Afternoon will you be done tomorrow
with numbers tomorrow night? either way... good luck
and HAVE FUN

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I'll have my laptop out there so I'll do my best to post them before I even leave there

Pics (if I have a chance to take any that are worth posting) would be up hopefully in the evening.

Sheets have to go to my parents house to get scanned and video takes me a while to edit and upload so I will do my best to get all that to you guys as quick as I can.

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I'm pretty sure we would believe you if you just
stated your numbers.... LOL... pretty sure

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Good luck on the dyno. Hope you pull big numbers.

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I'm pretty sure we would believe you if you just
stated your numbers.... LOL... pretty sure







Now come on


You know that's not my style



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Hey Wild Bill is APD Carbs the same company as AED carbs or is it different company??

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Hey Wild Bill is APD Carbs the same company as AED carbs or is it different company??





No, they're not the same

APD carbs


AED carbs

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how much did you say your car weighed? i was thinking you posted it before but i forgot.

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what does scott think its going to make????????

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how much did you say your car weighed? i was thinking you posted it before but i forgot.




Its 2800 and change, I think he said 2860

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Dram, It weighs 2820 w/o me


HEMI472, He's not telling me

And he's having a ball keeping me in suspence

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Dram, It weighs 2820 w/o me


HEMI472, He's not telling me

And he's having a ball keeping me in suspence






Bill whats the weight with you... 2930

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Very funny Raff




hemi, that's not a bad idea


Sparky, you coming

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: WILD BILL] #650063
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Motor looks great.
I didn't know you could gain 100hp. just
by switching fuels? Now everyone one here is
going to switch.
Also aren't those headers a little big for that motor?
Good luck on the dyno.

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A good bracket engine should make at least 1.5hp per, so that's at least 670+hp.



Chris..

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Looks great Bill! I'm guessing around 690HP

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Sparky always has inside information So I'll go with 702 Should be a 10.0 competitor Doorman

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Sparky always has inside information So I'll go with 702 Should be a 10.0 competitor Doorman




700 HP in a sub 3000 pound car should be well into the 9's.


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Hey guys sorry I can't be there today

My unedumacated guess



732 HP
647 TQ


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Wow, talk about inflation! Just to back track a bit,, it is a 440 with edelbrock heads and a mild(er) cam right? And then you look at Captain Budgets 440 that made 580hp and ran 10.50s in a 3700lb car...I guess thats the difference in dynos and track altitudes and whatnot.


Now I really want to see what it puts out...and runs..


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seating the rings and checking lash



So far so good

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Re: Hitting the DYNO today ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: WILD BILL] #650078
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72 440 block bored .030 decked so pistons are .010 in the hole
Wiesco Pro Tru pistons 12.05-1 compression
K1 rods
Facotry forged crank turned .010/.010 and balanced.

Cam
Comp cams Magnum series
Duration at .050" Lift 262 int./262 exh
Actual lift using 1.6 intake and 1.5 exh 578 int and 555 exh.
Installed at 108.5*'s

Edelbrock heads
Milled to .064 cc chambers
Hand ported By Scott Koffel


Those are some good flowing Eddie (RPM?) heads. It is a street/strip type cam (IMO), so with the alky I am thinking 646 hp.

I am curious about the power curve and torque peak with those 2-1/8" headers on a 446 CID. How long are the primaries?

Looking forward to the results.

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: sunroofgtx] #650079
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I'll be the first to say it.. [Email]701@6800[/Email] & 666 tq

$1 Bob..




Nailed it.. Gorski wins


You wish Rick

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Can you post the torque and hp peaks with rpm before you go home?

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I'll be the first to say it.. [Email]701@6800[/Email] & 666 tq

$1 Bob..




Nailed it.. Gorski wins


You wish Rick




Those are some big numbers Bill

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The torque sounds kinda ish

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Yes, I'll post the #'s

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: emarine01] #650084
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Yes, I'll post the #'s






So have you got the rings seated and starting to make
some serious pulls yet..... and we all know that I'm
going to win

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: tboomer] #650086
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OK, here's the results

759 hp @ 7400 rpm

603 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm.


Best thing is no leaks and it didn't blow

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Did you make any pulls on race fuel?

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So Bill.... I'm guessing your car weighs 3000 with
you in it at race weight and with that power I will
be expecting to see some passes in the 9.10 area...
good numbers

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Hey guys sorry I can't be there today

My unedumacated guess



732 HP
647 TQ










Quote:

Best thing is no leaks and it didn't blow





Well I guess my gaskets and seals worked

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Wow,
those are some very impressive numbers for a small motor with a small flat tappet cam. What's your secret? Is the alky worth that much?


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What????



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Wow,
those are some very impressive numbers for a small motor with a small flat tappet cam. What's your secret? Is the alky worth that much?




My 499 made more torque but less HP with INDY SR heads, intake, and a Dominator. If Alky is worth that much I might have to switch...


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Holy Moley Guacamole!! That thing is making some POWER!!


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OK, here's the results

759 hp @ 7400 rpm

603 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm.


Best thing is no leaks and it didn't blow






Did you test that on Eddie Miller's Dyno

Just kidding....very impressive numbers to say the least.....congrats

Trickster

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So did it make 535 or 622? How many motors are you talking about?




Sorry, didn't mean to confuse anyone

It made 535hp on gas as it came out of the car.

We then put an 850 APD alky carb on it and made a few timing changes and got it up to the 622hp.

it was on the same motor just the 2 different fuels





What the....?? 87 HP just on going to Alky and "a few timing changes"????????? YIKES!!!! That's HUGE!!!

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Good stuff Bill! Keep a broom in your car cause the 8.75 is toast. lol j/k
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I'm confused.... was the old combination (unported Edelbrocks, sub 9:1 motor, the one that made 622 HP) the one that ran the 10.96 in your sig? & your car weighs around 3000 lbs race weight (assuming you weigh 180 lbs)? (2820 car weight) Is that all correct?

& now the new motor makes 760, with same off shelf Comp cam (if I'm reading all this right) & is going in same 3000 lb car?

If I've got all that right... will be interesting to see what car picks up @ track VS old combo.

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Way Cool, Congrats Bill and Dave

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here is a teaser picture.1 of the earlier pulls.

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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: RyanJ] #650108
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I'm confused.... was the old combination (unported Edelbrocks, sub 9:1 motor, the one that made 622 HP) the one that ran the 10.96 in your sig? & your car weighs around 3000 lbs race weight (assuming you weigh 180 lbs)? (2820 car weight) Is that all correct?





Yes.

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wow way to go bill. is there any chance you could do a back to back test between race gas and alcohol?just wondering what the power diffrence would be.well it looks like i just better keep my car at home this year lol. Mopar65


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Congrats Bill! Can't wait to see what the car runs at the track, that will be the real dyno session.


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I'm confused.... was the old combination (unported Edelbrocks, sub 9:1 motor, the one that made 622 HP) the one that ran the 10.96 in your sig? & your car weighs around 3000 lbs race weight (assuming you weigh 180 lbs)? (2820 car weight) Is that all correct?





Yes.




Good I'm not as confused as I thought I was..... LOL

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Peak hp @ 7400 with that cam and cylinder head???

Amazing.

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Bill, great numbers! and again with who is working on it, I would expect nothing less! You and me in 10.00 first round, Be Easy on me!

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Is this corrected to STP (Standard Temperature Pressure) or is it the J1349 standard? Just out of curiosity--What were the BSFC's, BMEP, BSAC's? Honestly that is one stout motor for sure-all things considered. You are making 1.7 HP/ci! J.Rob


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Congrats Bill...going to be cool..........

Question...

What was your OLD MPH in the 1/4

Was that 622 HP on GAS

congrats....

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Wow nice numbers guys! You will make all the naysayers look bad when your ripping off some 9.30-40's this summer! What camshaft are you using? So this was done on alcohol? I do remember being impressed of the power you eeked-out on dyno with the original motor.

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I'm confused.... was the old combination (unported Edelbrocks, sub 9:1 motor, the one that made 622 HP) the one that ran the 10.96 in your sig? & your car weighs around 3000 lbs race weight (assuming you weigh 180 lbs)? (2820 car weight) Is that all correct?

& now the new motor makes 760, with same off shelf Comp cam (if I'm reading all this right) & is going in same 3000 lb car?

If I've got all that right... will be interesting to see what car picks up @ track VS old combo.


i can't wait to see what it runs

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Bill, great numbers! and again with who is working on it, I would expect nothing less! You and me in 10.00 first round, Be Easy on me!


Dang Larry, you beat me to it, Nice number's Bill, may have to drag that old scuzzy looking 440 block out that I just got and start dreaming.


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impressive guys, it sounds like you will be making some license runs.



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Awsome numbers!!!

I honestly didnt know you were runnin BOOZE.

Thats gonna get the blue beast haulin.....

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I'm confused.... was the old combination (unported Edelbrocks, sub 9:1 motor, the one that made 622 HP) the one that ran the 10.96 in your sig? & your car weighs around 3000 lbs race weight (assuming you weigh 180 lbs)? (2820 car weight) Is that all correct?





Yes.




Good I'm not as confused as I thought I was..... LOL






To be clear he ran the 10.96 @ 540 HP

The Same said motor was later ran on Alky on the Dyno and made 622 HP with no track ETS mike.

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OK, here's the results

759 hp @ 7400 rpm

603 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm.


Best thing is no leaks and it didn't blow



WOW!
Those are some serious numbers. That should move your weight car down the track at an impressive rate.

7400 rpm = good flowing heads and not big CID
I am really surprised by the rpm (TQ & HP) with that cam.

Gaining that much power from the old 622 hp engine, should be worth almost 1 second in the 1/4 mile, and 1.5 from the 540 hp. You will feel that!

Look for some mid 9's


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To be clear he ran the 10.96 @ 540 HP

The Same said motor was later ran on Alky on the Dyno and made 622 HP with no track ETS mike.




I just ran some numbers at Wallace racing. Was it a 10.96 @ 130 MPH?

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It was amazing watching this happen today. 60 horse difference, swapping nothing but to alky. Watched it and helped hold the carb for the 2 inch APD Black Widow spacer. 60 horse switching to jungle juice!! I don't think the engine ever went above 143 degrees ! Thanks for letting me be a fly on the wall, guys..

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Congrats Bill and Scott, Those are some really Nice numbers. I am surprised at how high a RPM it made its HP with the 262 @.050 cam. I like it!

I love and appreciate the way you guys documented and supplied pics with the Whole Build Good going guys!!! My hats off to you. mike

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OK, here's the results

759 hp @ 7400 rpm

603 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm.




So, is alcohol worth 150 HP over gas? Because those #s make no sense at all for the combination, unless alky makes that big of a difference.

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Great numbers Bill!! Can't wait to se how it does on the track.

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kudos to you and scott, wild bill. be nice to me and i'll get the track (which ever 1 you want ) to do a super track prep job like i had them do for you at pittsburg!!! lmao. dave

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Nice Bill! Time to get a license Congrats to Scott and all that were involved, it shows with careful attention to detail and a happy combo big gains are possible.


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Just a ?? for Bill.Do you still have the tranny tunnel attached with Velcro? Congrats.Should haul the mail

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How much can your block take?
Good numbers, thats seems like alot of rpm.

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OK, here's the results

759 hp @ 7400 rpm

603 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm.




So, is alcohol worth 150 HP over gas? Because those #s make no sense at all for the combination, unless alky makes that big of a difference.




After the build, on gas, first pull it made 699 @ 6700. Then he made several more pulls. Switched to alky, it made 759.. Where is the 150, pre rebuild?

Are you comparing the above hp vs torque?


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SOrry but I had some things to work on at the shop and just got home recently.

I'll do my best to try and answer everyones ?'s



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wow way to go bill. is there any chance you could do a back to back test between race gas and alcohol?just wondering what the power diffrence would be.well it looks like i just better keep my car at home this year lol. Mopar65





Yes, we actually did 3 pulls on race gas after seating the rings.

On race gas it made 712 hp @6900 & 564 ft#'s @ 5600 .

On alky it made 747hp @ 6900 & 606 ft#'s @ 5800

Everything about those 2 pulls were the same except the carb and the fuel



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Is this corrected to STP (Standard Temperature Pressure) or is it the J1349 standard? Just out of curiosity--What were the BSFC's, BMEP, BSAC's? Honestly that is one stout motor for sure-all things considered. You are making 1.7 HP/ci! J.Rob

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The #'s are "corrected." To what I Don't know. I hope the other info you requested is on the sheets. I'm not familiar with those temrs so I hope the info you want is on the dyno sheets. I'll post them with their persppective vid as soon as I can.


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Congrats Bill...going to be cool..........

Question...

What was your OLD MPH in the 1/4

Was that 622 HP on GAS

congrats....


69CHARGERMD





I was turing around 118 mph on avaerage. The 622hp pull from the old motor was on alky.


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I just ran some numbers at Wallace racing. Was it a 10.96 @ 130 MPH?

HardcoreB





NO, I beleive I went 120 mph on that pass



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So, is alcohol worth 150 HP over gas? Because those #s make no sense at all for the combination, unless alky makes that big of a difference.


Captain Budget!





No, Look at the the gas vs alky pulls I posted above. Everything on those were the same including what we pulled the motor to. Alky is worth a bit more but not 150 hp.



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How much can your block take?



70blackfish





Hope fully it can handel what we put it in

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wow, that's incredible. you should be looking at 9.15-9.20 1/4 mile E.T. at around 141+ MPH now at 3000 lbs race weight.

when you get a chance to look over all the dyno information, would you mind posting the fuel flow and the BSFC numbers at peak horsepower.

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well did you ask scott how much power before the first pull???????

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well did you ask scott how much power before the first pull???????






Yes and he said 735-745


Dram, I think I found what your asking for. There is a colounm marked BSFC in Lb/Hphr. Is that it?

If so it was 1.024 for the 759 hp @ 7400


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Now I get to get moving on downloading, editing and host the vids of the runs.

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OK, here's the results

759 hp @ 7400 rpm

603 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm.




So, is alcohol worth 150 HP over gas? Because those #s make no sense at all for the combination, unless alky makes that big of a difference.




i think he may be thinking of the old motor. It got, iirc, 535 HP on gas and 622 HP on Alky..or he may be comparing the old alky number (622) to the new alky number(759)..still not 150 HP but could be construed that way, i guess

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just curious what Scott thinks but that much steam is pushing a stock crank kinda hard isn't it?

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I sure hope not James

Seriously though, he never expresed a concern with this one. He did with the cast crank though.

As you might have guessed, I can't sleep at the moment. Which sucks as I have to work in the morning

It did give me the chance to get the vids done though

The video links go with the sheet below each one.

The first 3 were using the shops gas carb as we were getting things checked out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byf0aYYt21k



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLEQuPH1kc8




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1eDHFgAxNU




All the rest were made with my 950HP alky carb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZnSxdoIh4Q




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqqoffdGsaE




Added a 2" APD spacer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzvMFT5WHso




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH7bt6YStFk




Changed out the shop 7AL and HVC coil for my MSD 6Al and Accel Yellow coil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NSjMCerjgw




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKwF494ZhgQ





Had to play a little


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxZRRTrNiMk


OK, we played all day

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: WILD BILL] #650142
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Very good guys.... you know Bill, you and I can
run damn near heads up between us now...

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Awesome! time for your 9.99 competition license

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congrats Bill. Now make sure everything else in your car is up to snuff!! Especially the trans and it's shields!! With that power you may find all the weak links.

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Very nice

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Those are really good numbers. Koffels is impressive for sure.

All the dyno sheets show 35 degrees locked out. Did the timing stay there for all the pulls? (I didnt have time to look at the videos, sorry if I missed something there) That is surprising to me. My car/motor has always liked a little more timing than that, but I guess every ignition system and balancer are a little different. Sorry if you covered this in an earlier post, do you remember where the cam is degreed in at?

I am anxious to see how it runs in your car. I bet it will be sub 9.50s for sure. Are you planning any more upgrades or changes on your car as far as headers, fuel delivery or converter?

That should be a fun ride for sure.

We really like those body lines.


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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n [Re: blown572dart] #650147
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Raff, I would be astounded if it comes anywhere near the ET in your sig. I'm really hoping it will get into the high 9's so don't be looking for me to challange you to a heads up race

MD, Dad and I were discussing where the next weak link might be. Hopefully I don't find anything any time soon. I have a billet drum in the trans and a blanket so I'm feeling good about that. Over the time I've had this car I've tried to build it so it would be ready for more motor when I got the money for it. All I can do at this point is hoipe for the best.


Dustergirl, I hope your right but I'm not going there till I have a time slip

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n [Re: WILD BILL] #650148
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Those are some impressive numbers Bill!
Scott added about 135 HP with compression and porting
You just blew my program out of the watter

Are these tears of joy? Or tears of booze?

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That looks like BIG FUN

Congrats guys a job well done.

It just amazing how some combinations really like Alky and others not so much.

Looking forward to seeing you at the first CRT 10.00 shootout.

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Great job guys!!!! Thanks for sharing the play-by-play with us. Always nice to see a plan come together!

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Man, that`s one STOUT combo you`ve got there........would u mind giving the specs on the spacer and do they make one for a dommy? Thankxx...


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Man, that`s one STOUT combo you`ve got there........would u mind giving the specs on the spacer and do they make one for a dommy? Thankxx...






I'll do some looking and see what I can find out

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Dam that is cool. Congratulations!!!!

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Wild Bill i may have missed it but did you try adding more timing and fattening up the carb some? i would think it would kill the peak numbers slightly but put bigger numbers at a lower rpm. alcohol motors seem to just keep making power by adding more jet. I see some guys asking if methanol makes that much more power i believe its 10-15% more than gas.

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Wild Bill i may have missed it but did you try adding more timing and fattening up the carb some? i would think it would kill the peak numbers slightly but put bigger numbers at a lower rpm. alcohol motors seem to just keep making power by adding more jet. I see some guys asking if methanol makes that much more power i believe its 10-15% more than gas.





No, you didn't miss it. We didn't do either. Come to think of it, We didn't even have to tweak the 4 corner idle screws.


Thumper, here's the spacer. Black Widow Carb Spacer. Yes they have them for both the 4150 and 4500 carbs. It's a slick piece. It starts as a 4 hole then transitions to an open.

Scott wouldn't let me walk out the door with it

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Great numbers guys !!!!!


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Those are some impressive numbers Bill!
Scott added about 135 HP with compression and porting
You just blew my program out of the watter





I hear ya...I wonder why i bother with B1 heads!
j/k, Scott. Edlebrock is supposed to come out with a Perfromer RPM Xtreme head in the near future...wonder what Scott could do with those?!

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Scott wouldn't let me walk out the door with it






That's because they are $$$$$$$$$$$

edit; so now I'm thinking that you guys were messing with me on that valve cover issue

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Bill, its incredible that the motor was making power still at 7500 RPMS.
why didn't you guys keep pulling till it peaked out on HP?
Good luck with it, you deserve it, hard work and being a great guy!

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Wild Bill,


What oiling mods have been done to the block?

Do you have Hardblock or a girdle?

I look forward to seeing what it will run!!

I wonder if you'll have the quickest 446" on the "moparts fastest" list?

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I wonder if you'll have the quickest 446" on the "moparts fastest" list?




what is the fastest 446?

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Scott didn't want to pull it any higher becuase of the cam and springs. He didn't to float the valves.



Quote:

Wild Bill,


What oiling mods have been done to the block?

We put the crossover oiling tube in and a restricor in the head to control oil to the top

Do you have Hardblock or a girdle?

No

I look forward to seeing what it will run!!

I wonder if you'll have the quickest 446" on the "moparts fastest" list?

I doubt it. There are some bad a$$ cars on this site




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Thankxxx much, I`m gonna look into those.....now get your a$$ to the track so we can see some 9-sec passes.


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There is a lot of beauty in makin big power with out big dollar parts, some builders seem to have figured his out, Bigger is not always better

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Dom, I have to get me one too


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There is a lot of beauty in makin big power with out big dollar parts, some builders seem to have figured his out, Bigger is not always better





I beleive that was Scott's goal all along. When we started this he mentioned he wanted to get some exposer in the "everday average joe racer" arena.


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that thing made more power than the papers show..
all that exhaust gas in the cell...getting sucked back in...
fresh air and the exhaust plumbed out the cell..
would show more power..
hard to believe at the levels its at now.
but i believe it was running on used air..fwiw
cheapst

you gonna have some fun with that motor for sure..
youll be grabbin 2nd gear way sooner than your used too....get ready..


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Those are impressive numbers!!

Am I the only 1 thinking that the sum of the parts would be around 550-575HP on gas?


"Im supercharged, might explode in your face"
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that thing made more power than the papers show..
all that exhaust gas in the cell...getting sucked back in...
fresh air and the exhaust plumbed out the cell..
would show more power..
hard to believe at the levels its at now.
but i believe it was running on used air..fwiw
cheapst





Are you saying this becuase of the last video?

That video is not representative of how it was tested.

If you look closly at the pics I posted you can see a sliding door that houses an exhuast fan as well as an opening in the ceiling above the carb for fresh air. there are 2 tubes that come up to connect to the headers to direct the exhuast out.

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congrats bill! looks good and nice numbers.

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Are you saying this becuase of the last video?

That video is not representative of how it was tested.

If you look closly at the pics I posted you can see a sliding door that houses an exhuast fan as well as an opening in the ceiling above the carb for fresh air. there are 2 tubes that come up to connect to the headers to direct the exhuast out.




AHH,,, couldnt see it in the earlier pics..
figured it was run this way for the pulls...
you uncorked it to hear it..?
hense the title .."fooling around"
i get it now....
if so..never mind...

cheapst.


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Those are impressive numbers!!

Am I the only 1 thinking that the sum of the parts would be around 550-575HP on gas?



And no you're not.


Remember the engine master shootout with 440s where, I believe it was Hughes, built a 750hp deal? They moved the cylinders around and other super tricks, With Indy(?) heads?
They were running gas, but still,,,

This motor really put a # up! Good job Bill/Koffels.



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you uncorked it to hear it..?
hense the title .."fooling around"

cheapst.





Exactly

I figured you couldn't really hear it right shooting it from the other side of a wall



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Scott, I forgot to tell you. When you were getting a screwdriver, I made a pull my way.. Way open !!! Look at Wild Bills mustache getting sucked into the carb !!!

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that was funny taking that pic.rick is good at sneeking in pranks.here is the only pic i took bill.

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Very nice guys

congrats on a job well done Scott

Bob

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Bob, you are next !! A little bit different motor, though.


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Who knew a BLUE engine could do all that???
Fine job guys!
Brian

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Bob, you are next !! A little bit different motor, though.




and i cant wait get them wires done yet

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Great numbers Bill

Maybe I`ll give Patrick a call and get an Alky SV-1


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looks good Bill man you really work hard on that thing. if the numbers are not happy you should run low to mid 9s easy. the ET will speak for itself. just have fun no matter what it runs and good to see people still helping out with everday racers. hats off

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n [Re: Quicktree] #650182
03/27/10 08:27 PM
03/27/10 08:27 PM
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Mi.
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top fuel
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Mi.
Awesome numbers Bill and Kudos to Scott for what he has done for you After all these years Scott still has it!!! Now the rest of the Wild family will look to step it up, dont go too far Larry, I like our competitive adventures at the track


416 stroker from Nick at Compu-flow. 11.14 in full street trim. Seems like a new best every time out.
11.06 open headers----so far!!
Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n [Re: G-Money1320] #650183
03/30/10 11:58 PM
03/30/10 11:58 PM
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huron,ohio
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Bill,There is a certin Blue engine that is excited to get back in the engine bay!!!

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n [Re: b1headman] #650184
03/31/10 12:06 AM
03/31/10 12:06 AM
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BROOK PARK, OH
WILD BILL Offline OP
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BROOK PARK, OH
I think I got the bay ready for it

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n [Re: WILD BILL] #650185
03/31/10 12:21 AM
03/31/10 12:21 AM
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Romeo MI
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Quote:

I think I got the bay ready for it




So go get it and put it in... damn it
its taking up prime area

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n [Re: MR_P_BODY] #650186
03/31/10 09:46 PM
03/31/10 09:46 PM
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Cleveland
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Cleveland
Quote:

Quote:

I think I got the bay ready for it




So go get it and put it in... damn it
its taking up prime area






I'm thinking Scott needs to work on the smallest Hemi he's ever laid hands on..


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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n [Re: sunroofgtx] #650187
04/01/10 10:19 PM
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huron,ohio
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Bill,Did you make it home ok with the engine?How did that rear engine mini van handle the weight?

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n [Re: b1headman] #650188
04/01/10 10:24 PM
04/01/10 10:24 PM
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BROOK PARK, OH
WILD BILL Offline OP
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BROOK PARK, OH
Most power that mini ever had in it

To bad I couldn't get it all to the ground

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