Hit the DYNO! Results are IN Now with VIDS
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Looks like Scott has been busy in the last week cuz he called me to tell me we should be ready to make some pulls tomorrow.
I knew we were getting close but I thought we had a little more to do
Here's a recap just to rehresh everyones memory.
72 440 block bored .030 decked so pistons are .010 in the hole Wiesco Pro Tru pistons 12.05-1 compression K1 rods Facotry forged crank turned .010/.010 and balanced.
Cam Comp cams Magnum series Duration at .050" Lift 262 int./262 exh Actual lift using 1.6 intake and 1.5 exh 578 int and 555 exh. Installed at 108.5*'s
Edelbrock heads Milled to .064 cc chambers Hand ported By Scott Koffel Flow data.....
Lift/int/exh .100/83.05/69.55 .200/161.46/113.46 .300/230.23/143.98 .400/280.46/178.41 .500/312.75/200.32 .600/317.25/214.40 .700/319.50/222.23 .800/319.50/228.49
Team G intake worked and matched to heads
APD built 950HP alky carb
2 1/8 hooker SC w/ 3.5 collectors
MSD dist W/ Fircore 50's
Hope I didn't leave anything out
Anyone have any thoughts on what it might put out?
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never tried to guess before but looks like about 610hp/585tq ? good luck, looks like a nice build to me!
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535.62 HP
669.1 FT LBS
Nice build, glad to see shes getting close!!
That's about what my old motor made
Here's the specs on that one
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440, .030 over cast crank 6LY rods hyper pistons sitting .070 in the hole CR is 8.6 to 1
OOTB Eddy heads (Intake Valve Diameter (in) 2.140 in. Exhaust Valve Diameter (in) 1.810 in.)
Cam, (solid lift) Intake Valve Lift with 1.5 Ratio 0.555 in. Exhaust Valve Lift with 1.5 Ratio 0.555 in. Duration at 050 inch Lift 262 int./262 exh. Did NOT degree it in just lined up the dots but.. Lobe Separation (degrees) 110 Intake Centerline: 106
Team G intake
750 BG claw (running 110 oct)
MSD dist locked out @ 38*s
2 1/8 hooker SC headers.
And it's sheet
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it shall make the power of 5,000 oldsmobile cutlass supremes!
for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
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632 HP 579 FT.LBS. TORQUE LOOKS LIKE YOU BE A 10.60 RIDE.
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Plenty of headder for that motor, Bill..maybe alky wants more.
The little old lady from Pasadena is back!
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Bill what was it last time on alky? I assume your going straight to alky with that carb
After a little tweaking it made 622hp on alky last time.
We'll be using a gas carb to break it in and seat the rings then it's all Booze after that
Mike, my dad is in the same boat. He has to work but I'm hoping he can leave a little early and watch some of the pulls.
I'm sure there will be a few things we need to button up as well as breaking it in.
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what does the winner get Wild Billy?
Have to see if I can come up with anything
I could always send ya my old timing chain
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I am goin 715 @ 7k and 570 torque @ 5300
Oopps, I thought that 262 cam was a roller so.... 685hp and 565tq
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Bill what was it last time on alky? I assume your going straight to alky with that carb
After a little tweaking it made 622hp on alky last time.
We'll be using a gas carb to break it in and seat the rings then it's all Booze after that
Mike, my dad is in the same boat. He has to work but I'm hoping he can leave a little early and watch some of the pulls.
I'm sure there will be a few things we need to button up as well as breaking it in.
So did it make 535 or 622? How many motors are you talking about?
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So did it make 535 or 622? How many motors are you talking about?
Sorry, didn't mean to confuse anyone
It made 535hp on gas as it came out of the car.
We then put an 850 APD alky carb on it and made a few timing changes and got it up to the 622hp.
it was on the same motor just the 2 different fuels
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you picked up nearly 100 HP just by switching to alcohol?! I may need to reconsider my reluctance to switch to E85!
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632 HP 579 FT.LBS. TORQUE
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We also increased the plug gap and retarded the timing 3 deg
Scott sent me some pics he took to update everyone as to where the motor is now
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Bill is the port on the back of the intake for a lean out valve... looks good... when will you hit the dyno
Lean out valve, whats that about
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Bill is the port on the back of the intake for a lean out valve... looks good... when will you hit the dyno
Lean out valve, whats that about
You have a valve inside the car to open up so it will lean the engine out so you built heat... for alky
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Bill is the port on the back of the intake for a lean out valve... looks good... when will you hit the dyno
That port was on the intake when I bought it (swap meet ) But yes, I was planning on using it for a leanout valve.
Unless that's not a good spot for it.
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Awesome Bill and fantastic work Scott. Good luck on with the pulls. I'll say 665 hp. Butch
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Now, put it thru the paces!
Tomorrow after noon
Wanna bet I don't sleep much tonight
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Tomorrow after noon
Wanna bet I don't sleep much tonight
Afternoon will you be done tomorrow with numbers tomorrow night? either way... good luck and HAVE FUN
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I'll have my laptop out there so I'll do my best to post them before I even leave there
Pics (if I have a chance to take any that are worth posting) would be up hopefully in the evening.
Sheets have to go to my parents house to get scanned and video takes me a while to edit and upload so I will do my best to get all that to you guys as quick as I can.
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I'm pretty sure we would believe you if you just stated your numbers.... LOL... pretty sure
Now come on
You know that's not my style
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Hey Wild Bill is APD Carbs the same company as AED carbs or is it different company??
No, they're not the same
APD carbs
AED carbs
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how much did you say your car weighed? i was thinking you posted it before but i forgot.
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how much did you say your car weighed? i was thinking you posted it before but i forgot.
Its 2800 and change, I think he said 2860
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Dram, It weighs 2820 w/o me
HEMI472, He's not telling me
And he's having a ball keeping me in suspence
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Dram, It weighs 2820 w/o me
HEMI472, He's not telling me
And he's having a ball keeping me in suspence
Bill whats the weight with you... 2930
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I'll be the first to say it.. 701@6800 & 666 tq $1 Bob..
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Very funny Raff
hemi, that's not a bad idea
Sparky, you coming
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seating the rings and checking lash
So far so good
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72 440 block bored .030 decked so pistons are .010 in the hole Wiesco Pro Tru pistons 12.05-1 compression K1 rods Facotry forged crank turned .010/.010 and balanced.
Cam Comp cams Magnum series Duration at .050" Lift 262 int./262 exh Actual lift using 1.6 intake and 1.5 exh 578 int and 555 exh. Installed at 108.5*'s
Edelbrock heads Milled to .064 cc chambers Hand ported By Scott Koffel
Those are some good flowing Eddie (RPM?) heads. It is a street/strip type cam (IMO), so with the alky I am thinking 646 hp.
I am curious about the power curve and torque peak with those 2-1/8" headers on a 446 CID. How long are the primaries?
Looking forward to the results.
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I'll be the first to say it.. [Email]701@6800[/Email] & 666 tq
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Nailed it.. Gorski wins
You wish Rick
Those are some big numbers Bill
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Don't beleive Sparky Mike
Yes, I'll post the #'s
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Don't beleive Sparky Mike
Yes, I'll post the #'s
So have you got the rings seated and starting to make some serious pulls yet..... and we all know that I'm going to win
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OK, here's the results
759 hp @ 7400 rpm
603 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm.
Best thing is no leaks and it didn't blow
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So Bill.... I'm guessing your car weighs 3000 with you in it at race weight and with that power I will be expecting to see some passes in the 9.10 area... good numbers
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Hey guys sorry I can't be there today
My unedumacated guess
732 HP 647 TQ
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Best thing is no leaks and it didn't blow
Well I guess my gaskets and seals worked
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Wow, those are some very impressive numbers for a small motor with a small flat tappet cam. What's your secret? Is the alky worth that much?
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OK, here's the results
759 hp @ 7400 rpm
603 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm.
Best thing is no leaks and it didn't blow
Did you test that on Eddie Miller's Dyno
Just kidding....very impressive numbers to say the least.....congrats
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Did you test that on Eddie Miller's Dyno
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So did it make 535 or 622? How many motors are you talking about?
Sorry, didn't mean to confuse anyone
It made 535hp on gas as it came out of the car.
We then put an 850 APD alky carb on it and made a few timing changes and got it up to the 622hp.
it was on the same motor just the 2 different fuels
What the....?? 87 HP just on going to Alky and "a few timing changes"????????? YIKES!!!! That's HUGE!!!
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here is a teaser picture.1 of the earlier pulls.
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I'm confused.... was the old combination (unported Edelbrocks, sub 9:1 motor, the one that made 622 HP) the one that ran the 10.96 in your sig? & your car weighs around 3000 lbs race weight (assuming you weigh 180 lbs)? (2820 car weight) Is that all correct?
Yes.
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I'm confused.... was the old combination (unported Edelbrocks, sub 9:1 motor, the one that made 622 HP) the one that ran the 10.96 in your sig? & your car weighs around 3000 lbs race weight (assuming you weigh 180 lbs)? (2820 car weight) Is that all correct?
Yes.
Good I'm not as confused as I thought I was..... LOL
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Is this corrected to STP (Standard Temperature Pressure) or is it the J1349 standard? Just out of curiosity--What were the BSFC's, BMEP, BSAC's? Honestly that is one stout motor for sure-all things considered. You are making 1.7 HP/ci! J.Rob
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Congrats Bill...going to be cool.......... Question... What was your OLD MPH in the 1/4 Was that 622 HP on GAS congrats....
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I'm confused.... was the old combination (unported Edelbrocks, sub 9:1 motor, the one that made 622 HP) the one that ran the 10.96 in your sig? & your car weighs around 3000 lbs race weight (assuming you weigh 180 lbs)? (2820 car weight) Is that all correct?
& now the new motor makes 760, with same off shelf Comp cam (if I'm reading all this right) & is going in same 3000 lb car?
If I've got all that right... will be interesting to see what car picks up @ track VS old combo.
i can't wait to see what it runs
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Bill, great numbers! and again with who is working on it, I would expect nothing less! You and me in 10.00 first round, Be Easy on me!
Dang Larry, you beat me to it, Nice number's Bill, may have to drag that old scuzzy looking 440 block out that I just got and start dreaming.
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I'm confused.... was the old combination (unported Edelbrocks, sub 9:1 motor, the one that made 622 HP) the one that ran the 10.96 in your sig? & your car weighs around 3000 lbs race weight (assuming you weigh 180 lbs)? (2820 car weight) Is that all correct?
Yes.
Good I'm not as confused as I thought I was..... LOL
To be clear he ran the 10.96 @ 540 HP
The Same said motor was later ran on Alky on the Dyno and made 622 HP with no track ETS mike.
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OK, here's the results
759 hp @ 7400 rpm
603 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm.
Best thing is no leaks and it didn't blow
WOW! Those are some serious numbers. That should move your weight car down the track at an impressive rate.
7400 rpm = good flowing heads and not big CID I am really surprised by the rpm (TQ & HP) with that cam.
Gaining that much power from the old 622 hp engine, should be worth almost 1 second in the 1/4 mile, and 1.5 from the 540 hp. You will feel that!
Look for some mid 9's
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To be clear he ran the 10.96 @ 540 HP
The Same said motor was later ran on Alky on the Dyno and made 622 HP with no track ETS mike.
I just ran some numbers at Wallace racing. Was it a 10.96 @ 130 MPH?
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It was amazing watching this happen today. 60 horse difference, swapping nothing but to alky. Watched it and helped hold the carb for the 2 inch APD Black Widow spacer. 60 horse switching to jungle juice!! I don't think the engine ever went above 143 degrees ! Thanks for letting me be a fly on the wall, guys..
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OK, here's the results
759 hp @ 7400 rpm
603 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm.
So, is alcohol worth 150 HP over gas? Because those #s make no sense at all for the combination, unless alky makes that big of a difference.
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SOrry but I had some things to work on at the shop and just got home recently.
I'll do my best to try and answer everyones ?'s Quote:
wow way to go bill. is there any chance you could do a back to back test between race gas and alcohol?just wondering what the power diffrence would be.well it looks like i just better keep my car at home this year lol. Mopar65
Yes, we actually did 3 pulls on race gas after seating the rings.
On race gas it made 712 hp @6900 & 564 ft#'s @ 5600 .
On alky it made 747hp @ 6900 & 606 ft#'s @ 5800
Everything about those 2 pulls were the same except the carb and the fuel
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Is this corrected to STP (Standard Temperature Pressure) or is it the J1349 standard? Just out of curiosity--What were the BSFC's, BMEP, BSAC's? Honestly that is one stout motor for sure-all things considered. You are making 1.7 HP/ci! J.Rob
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The #'s are "corrected." To what I Don't know. I hope the other info you requested is on the sheets. I'm not familiar with those temrs so I hope the info you want is on the dyno sheets. I'll post them with their persppective vid as soon as I can.
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Congrats Bill...going to be cool..........
Question...
What was your OLD MPH in the 1/4
Was that 622 HP on GAS
congrats....
69CHARGERMD
I was turing around 118 mph on avaerage. The 622hp pull from the old motor was on alky.
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I just ran some numbers at Wallace racing. Was it a 10.96 @ 130 MPH?
HardcoreB
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So, is alcohol worth 150 HP over gas? Because those #s make no sense at all for the combination, unless alky makes that big of a difference.
Captain Budget!
No, Look at the the gas vs alky pulls I posted above. Everything on those were the same including what we pulled the motor to. Alky is worth a bit more but not 150 hp.
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wow, that's incredible. you should be looking at 9.15-9.20 1/4 mile E.T. at around 141+ MPH now at 3000 lbs race weight. when you get a chance to look over all the dyno information, would you mind posting the fuel flow and the BSFC numbers at peak horsepower.
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well did you ask scott how much power before the first pull???????
Yes and he said 735-745
Dram, I think I found what your asking for. There is a colounm marked BSFC in Lb/Hphr. Is that it?
If so it was 1.024 for the 759 hp @ 7400
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OK, here's the results
759 hp @ 7400 rpm
603 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm.
So, is alcohol worth 150 HP over gas? Because those #s make no sense at all for the combination, unless alky makes that big of a difference.
i think he may be thinking of the old motor. It got, iirc, 535 HP on gas and 622 HP on Alky..or he may be comparing the old alky number (622) to the new alky number(759)..still not 150 HP but could be construed that way, i guess
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Those are really good numbers. Koffels is impressive for sure.
All the dyno sheets show 35 degrees locked out. Did the timing stay there for all the pulls? (I didnt have time to look at the videos, sorry if I missed something there) That is surprising to me. My car/motor has always liked a little more timing than that, but I guess every ignition system and balancer are a little different. Sorry if you covered this in an earlier post, do you remember where the cam is degreed in at?
I am anxious to see how it runs in your car. I bet it will be sub 9.50s for sure. Are you planning any more upgrades or changes on your car as far as headers, fuel delivery or converter?
That should be a fun ride for sure.
We really like those body lines.
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Raff, I would be astounded if it comes anywhere near the ET in your sig. I'm really hoping it will get into the high 9's so don't be looking for me to challange you to a heads up race
MD, Dad and I were discussing where the next weak link might be. Hopefully I don't find anything any time soon. I have a billet drum in the trans and a blanket so I'm feeling good about that. Over the time I've had this car I've tried to build it so it would be ready for more motor when I got the money for it. All I can do at this point is hoipe for the best.
Dustergirl, I hope your right but I'm not going there till I have a time slip
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Those are some impressive numbers Bill! Scott added about 135 HP with compression and porting You just blew my program out of the watter Are these tears of joy? Or tears of booze?
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That looks like BIG FUN Congrats guys a job well done. It just amazing how some combinations really like Alky and others not so much. Looking forward to seeing you at the first CRT 10.00 shootout.
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Man, that`s one STOUT combo you`ve got there........would u mind giving the specs on the spacer and do they make one for a dommy? Thankxx...
I'll do some looking and see what I can find out
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Wild Bill i may have missed it but did you try adding more timing and fattening up the carb some? i would think it would kill the peak numbers slightly but put bigger numbers at a lower rpm. alcohol motors seem to just keep making power by adding more jet. I see some guys asking if methanol makes that much more power i believe its 10-15% more than gas.
No, you didn't miss it. We didn't do either. Come to think of it, We didn't even have to tweak the 4 corner idle screws.
Thumper, here's the spacer. Black Widow Carb Spacer. Yes they have them for both the 4150 and 4500 carbs. It's a slick piece. It starts as a 4 hole then transitions to an open.
Scott wouldn't let me walk out the door with it
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Those are some impressive numbers Bill! Scott added about 135 HP with compression and porting You just blew my program out of the watter
I hear ya...I wonder why i bother with B1 heads! j/k, Scott. Edlebrock is supposed to come out with a Perfromer RPM Xtreme head in the near future...wonder what Scott could do with those?!
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Wild Bill, What oiling mods have been done to the block? Do you have Hardblock or a girdle? I look forward to seeing what it will run!! I wonder if you'll have the quickest 446" on the "moparts fastest" list?
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Scott didn't want to pull it any higher becuase of the cam and springs. He didn't to float the valves. Quote:
Wild Bill,
What oiling mods have been done to the block?
We put the crossover oiling tube in and a restricor in the head to control oil to the top
Do you have Hardblock or a girdle?
No
I look forward to seeing what it will run!!
I wonder if you'll have the quickest 446" on the "moparts fastest" list?
I doubt it. There are some bad a$$ cars on this site
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There is a lot of beauty in makin big power with out big dollar parts, some builders seem to have figured his out, Bigger is not always better
I beleive that was Scott's goal all along. When we started this he mentioned he wanted to get some exposer in the "everday average joe racer" arena.
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that thing made more power than the papers show.. all that exhaust gas in the cell...getting sucked back in... fresh air and the exhaust plumbed out the cell.. would show more power.. hard to believe at the levels its at now. but i believe it was running on used air..fwiw cheapst you gonna have some fun with that motor for sure.. youll be grabbin 2nd gear way sooner than your used too....get ready..
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that thing made more power than the papers show.. all that exhaust gas in the cell...getting sucked back in... fresh air and the exhaust plumbed out the cell.. would show more power.. hard to believe at the levels its at now. but i believe it was running on used air..fwiw cheapst
Are you saying this becuase of the last video?
That video is not representative of how it was tested.
If you look closly at the pics I posted you can see a sliding door that houses an exhuast fan as well as an opening in the ceiling above the carb for fresh air. there are 2 tubes that come up to connect to the headers to direct the exhuast out.
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Those are impressive numbers!!
Am I the only 1 thinking that the sum of the parts would be around 550-575HP on gas?
And no you're not.
Remember the engine master shootout with 440s where, I believe it was Hughes, built a 750hp deal? They moved the cylinders around and other super tricks, With Indy(?) heads? They were running gas, but still,,,
This motor really put a # up! Good job Bill/Koffels.
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you uncorked it to hear it..? hense the title .."fooling around"
cheapst.
Exactly
I figured you couldn't really hear it right shooting it from the other side of a wall
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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n
[Re: WILD BILL]
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03/26/10 07:39 PM
03/26/10 07:39 PM
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sunroofgtx
I Live Here
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I Live Here
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Cleveland
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Scott, I forgot to tell you. When you were getting a screwdriver, I made a pull my way.. Way open !!! Look at Wild Bills mustache getting sucked into the carb !!!
Join the quickest team in motorsports. Team FireCore. CustomWiresets.com
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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n
[Re: sunroofgtx]
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03/26/10 07:42 PM
03/26/10 07:42 PM
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Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH
WILD BILL
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Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
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Posts: 10,542
BROOK PARK, OH
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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n
[Re: sunroofgtx]
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03/26/10 11:17 PM
03/26/10 11:17 PM
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BobsProFab
master
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Bob, you are next !! A little bit different motor, though.
and i cant wait get them wires done yet
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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n
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03/27/10 08:27 PM
03/27/10 08:27 PM
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Posts: 1,675 Mi.
G-Money1320
top fuel
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top fuel
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Awesome numbers Bill and Kudos to Scott for what he has done for you After all these years Scott still has it!!! Now the rest of the Wild family will look to step it up, dont go too far Larry, I like our competitive adventures at the track
416 stroker from Nick at Compu-flow. 11.14 in full street trim. Seems like a new best every time out. 11.06 open headers----so far!!
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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n
[Re: b1headman]
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03/31/10 12:06 AM
03/31/10 12:06 AM
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I think I got the bay ready for it
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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n
[Re: WILD BILL]
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03/31/10 12:21 AM
03/31/10 12:21 AM
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Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY
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I think I got the bay ready for it
So go get it and put it in... damn it its taking up prime area
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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n
[Re: b1headman]
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04/01/10 10:24 PM
04/01/10 10:24 PM
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WILD BILL
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Most power that mini ever had in it
To bad I couldn't get it all to the ground
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