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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: HardcoreB] #650125
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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: sunroofgtx] #650126
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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: sunroofgtx] #650127
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Congrats Bill and Scott, Those are some really Nice numbers. I am surprised at how high a RPM it made its HP with the 262 @.050 cam. I like it!

I love and appreciate the way you guys documented and supplied pics with the Whole Build Good going guys!!! My hats off to you. mike

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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: WILD BILL] #650128
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OK, here's the results

759 hp @ 7400 rpm

603 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm.




So, is alcohol worth 150 HP over gas? Because those #s make no sense at all for the combination, unless alky makes that big of a difference.

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: BradH] #650129
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Great numbers Bill!! Can't wait to se how it does on the track.

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: Hemiroid] #650130
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kudos to you and scott, wild bill. be nice to me and i'll get the track (which ever 1 you want ) to do a super track prep job like i had them do for you at pittsburg!!! lmao. dave

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: 3ddart] #650131
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Nice Bill! Time to get a license Congrats to Scott and all that were involved, it shows with careful attention to detail and a happy combo big gains are possible.


Jim

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: Bigcube] #650132
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Just a ?? for Bill.Do you still have the tranny tunnel attached with Velcro? Congrats.Should haul the mail

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n [Re: BradH] #650133
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How much can your block take?
Good numbers, thats seems like alot of rpm.

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: BradH] #650134
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OK, here's the results

759 hp @ 7400 rpm

603 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm.




So, is alcohol worth 150 HP over gas? Because those #s make no sense at all for the combination, unless alky makes that big of a difference.




After the build, on gas, first pull it made 699 @ 6700. Then he made several more pulls. Switched to alky, it made 759.. Where is the 150, pre rebuild?

Are you comparing the above hp vs torque?


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Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make n [Re: 70blackfish] #650135
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SOrry but I had some things to work on at the shop and just got home recently.

I'll do my best to try and answer everyones ?'s



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wow way to go bill. is there any chance you could do a back to back test between race gas and alcohol?just wondering what the power diffrence would be.well it looks like i just better keep my car at home this year lol. Mopar65





Yes, we actually did 3 pulls on race gas after seating the rings.

On race gas it made 712 hp @6900 & 564 ft#'s @ 5600 .

On alky it made 747hp @ 6900 & 606 ft#'s @ 5800

Everything about those 2 pulls were the same except the carb and the fuel



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Is this corrected to STP (Standard Temperature Pressure) or is it the J1349 standard? Just out of curiosity--What were the BSFC's, BMEP, BSAC's? Honestly that is one stout motor for sure-all things considered. You are making 1.7 HP/ci! J.Rob

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The #'s are "corrected." To what I Don't know. I hope the other info you requested is on the sheets. I'm not familiar with those temrs so I hope the info you want is on the dyno sheets. I'll post them with their persppective vid as soon as I can.


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Congrats Bill...going to be cool..........

Question...

What was your OLD MPH in the 1/4

Was that 622 HP on GAS

congrats....


69CHARGERMD





I was turing around 118 mph on avaerage. The 622hp pull from the old motor was on alky.


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I just ran some numbers at Wallace racing. Was it a 10.96 @ 130 MPH?

HardcoreB





NO, I beleive I went 120 mph on that pass



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So, is alcohol worth 150 HP over gas? Because those #s make no sense at all for the combination, unless alky makes that big of a difference.


Captain Budget!





No, Look at the the gas vs alky pulls I posted above. Everything on those were the same including what we pulled the motor to. Alky is worth a bit more but not 150 hp.



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How much can your block take?



70blackfish





Hope fully it can handel what we put it in

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: sunroofgtx] #650136
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wow, that's incredible. you should be looking at 9.15-9.20 1/4 mile E.T. at around 141+ MPH now at 3000 lbs race weight.

when you get a chance to look over all the dyno information, would you mind posting the fuel flow and the BSFC numbers at peak horsepower.

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well did you ask scott how much power before the first pull???????

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: HEMI472] #650138
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well did you ask scott how much power before the first pull???????






Yes and he said 735-745


Dram, I think I found what your asking for. There is a colounm marked BSFC in Lb/Hphr. Is that it?

If so it was 1.024 for the 759 hp @ 7400


Here's all the pics from today














Now I get to get moving on downloading, editing and host the vids of the runs.

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: sunroofgtx] #650139
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OK, here's the results

759 hp @ 7400 rpm

603 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm.




So, is alcohol worth 150 HP over gas? Because those #s make no sense at all for the combination, unless alky makes that big of a difference.




i think he may be thinking of the old motor. It got, iirc, 535 HP on gas and 622 HP on Alky..or he may be comparing the old alky number (622) to the new alky number(759)..still not 150 HP but could be construed that way, i guess

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: B1Fish540] #650140
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just curious what Scott thinks but that much steam is pushing a stock crank kinda hard isn't it?

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: jamesc] #650141
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I sure hope not James

Seriously though, he never expresed a concern with this one. He did with the cast crank though.

As you might have guessed, I can't sleep at the moment. Which sucks as I have to work in the morning

It did give me the chance to get the vids done though

The video links go with the sheet below each one.

The first 3 were using the shops gas carb as we were getting things checked out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byf0aYYt21k



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLEQuPH1kc8




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1eDHFgAxNU




All the rest were made with my 950HP alky carb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZnSxdoIh4Q




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqqoffdGsaE




Added a 2" APD spacer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzvMFT5WHso




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH7bt6YStFk




Changed out the shop 7AL and HVC coil for my MSD 6Al and Accel Yellow coil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NSjMCerjgw




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKwF494ZhgQ





Had to play a little


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxZRRTrNiMk


OK, we played all day

Re: Hitting the DYNO tomorrow ! What's it gonna make now?? [Re: WILD BILL] #650142
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Very good guys.... you know Bill, you and I can
run damn near heads up between us now...

Re: Hit the DYNO! Results are IN Now with VIDS [Re: WILD BILL] #650143
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Awesome! time for your 9.99 competition license

Re: Hit the DYNO! Results are IN Now with VIDS [Re: dustergirl340] #650144
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congrats Bill. Now make sure everything else in your car is up to snuff!! Especially the trans and it's shields!! With that power you may find all the weak links.

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