Let me clarify something before the crying and pissing match continues, The series proposed is a quick 32,door car,12.99 and quicker, including Lh steer roadsters. No crossover/crosstalk is the only other rule. I want to see a no box AND box class to have a more level playing field for BOTH classes. How are the car counts split at all your local tracks? Here it's at least 3 to 1 no box to box cars. How many times is a guy going to get double oo'd in a no box car before he stays home or goes fishing? For me, maybe two. And as far as the box not making you a better LEAVER, pull them out for the next super cat race and see how it goes.