Jay, It's John's Dart. He was getting input that an 8 3/4 would take it. He's put a 5 speed in the car and has CalTracs on the way. You know he's going to lean on it. I wanted to get more input for he to see before he dumped some coin in an 8 3/4 and then have to spend more later. How's the Duster coming along? matt