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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
#888208
12/25/10 09:26 PM
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How much lighter is it than a stock K? How much lighter will your wallet be after buying it?
Gone to the dark side with an LS3 powered '57 Chevy 210
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
#888209
12/25/10 09:27 PM
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Interesting, who makes it?
1968 Barracuda 360/727 11.20 @ 121 mph 421 rwhp
1985 Harley Sportster Bobber
2006 Ram 2500 sport - The Cudahlr
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
#888213
12/26/10 12:18 PM
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I'm very interested in this... I posted this up on forabodiesonly as well.... are you hemimark or hemidenny on there by any chance? I ask bc everyone over there says thats who fabbed this product up... Either way if the price is right i'm interested.
Welcome .... another small block guy 
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: B1KILLER]
#888215
12/26/10 02:19 PM
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Everyone's making a K-member now. The one I have was made 12 years ago with no issues. Many have bought or built them and had issues. Some worse than others.
I already have one and am perfectly capable of making my own. But, that said I would be hard pressed not to buy one from Bob's Pro Fab. A video of the suspension in action and watching Donald Carter's Dart is all the proof I need. '
THIS K-MEMBER MAY BE THE CATS MEOW BUT, I WOULD NOT BUY ANYTHING FOR A FRONT SUSPENSION BASED ON PRICE. It may not be cheaper, just saying.
There is nothing on a race car that can get you in trouble quicker than a geometry problem in front suspension. Before buying I would ask him to video tape as Bob did the front suspension where you can see the A-arm, spindle and tire in motion over hard bumps and hard takeoffs. Also whatch it when the car backs up. This particular front K-member looks a lot like old designs already out there. I would be curious as to what is different about it.
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Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: Leon441]
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12/26/10 02:26 PM
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Everyone's in the K-member business now.
I already have one and am perfectly capable of making my own. But, that said I would be hard pressed not to buy one from Bob's Pro Fab. A video of the suspension in action and watching Donald Carter's Dart is all the proof I need. '
THIS K-MEMBER MAY BE THE CATS MEOW BUT, I WOULD NOT BUY ANYTHING FOR A FRONT SUSPENSION BASED ON PRICE. It may not be cheaper, just saying.
There is nothing on a race car that can get you in trouble quicker than a geometry problem in front suspension. Before buying I would ask him to video tape as Bob did the front suspension where you can see the A-arm, spindle and tire in motion over hard bumps and hard takeoffs. Also whatch it when the car backs up. This particular front K-member looks a lot like old designs already out there. I would be curious as to what is different about it.
 100%... Bob SHOWS whats going on.... might
cost a bit more but R&D also cost... and I know you
arent getting junk with Bobs front end
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
#888219
12/26/10 03:01 PM
12/26/10 03:01 PM
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Just curious, how do you guys know that this product is not of quality? How do you know that this company didn't do adequate R&D? You don't right? I understand your loyalty to the company you purchased your product from, but don't talk out of line about another company you know nothing about.
Us as Mopar enthusiast should welcome options as we are always behind the times and production with it comes after market product options.
Jason
I dont think anyone talked bad about the OP product
but Bob shows the way his product works(video)... I
dont run Bobs front end... just seen his work(in
person)
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
#888227
12/26/10 04:39 PM
12/26/10 04:39 PM
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Hey Jason, I'd love to give you more info, contact me on my personal email and I'll give you my number, we can talk.
Tory
I jsut sent you a Email.
JAson
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: Leon441]
#888228
12/26/10 05:19 PM
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Everyone's in the K-member business now.
I already have one and am perfectly capable of making my own. But, that said I would be hard pressed not to buy one from Bob's Pro Fab. A video of the suspension in action and watching Donald Carter's Dart is all the proof I need. '
THIS K-MEMBER MAY BE THE CATS MEOW BUT, I WOULD NOT BUY ANYTHING FOR A FRONT SUSPENSION BASED ON PRICE. It may not be cheaper, just saying.
There is nothing on a race car that can get you in trouble quicker than a geometry problem in front suspension. Before buying I would ask him to video tape as Bob did the front suspension where you can see the A-arm, spindle and tire in motion over hard bumps and hard takeoffs. Also whatch it when the car backs up. This particular front K-member looks a lot like old designs already out there. I would be curious as to what is different about it.
Unlike the Crap you recommened in the past from High Speed Welding in Chicago, Very Well could have killed myself or Totaly Trashed my car, speaking of bump stear my rack and strut has none plus car steers like a ship.
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: fishy340]
#888232
12/27/10 12:27 PM
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my rms front end works flawless,spend the money with the right one,its something u cant skimp on!  just sayin
Thanks for the revenue lessons fellas. However as stated before I don't mind thinking outside of the box for what looks like a solid product... I mean way back when Ford introduced the 1st Model "T" people didn't say, "No thanks we have these great horse and carriages".
Who are we to judge if a product is quality without knowing anyone who's run it or without even putting our hands on it?
I just think some are jumping the gun on this one.
Jason
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: Super Scamp]
#888234
12/27/10 02:48 PM
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I think If you own a Mopar your already thinking out side the box to go fast. If somebody wants to spend the time and $$$$ to bring us another product for us Mopar builders I'm willing to listen and look into a new product. We need more Mopar gear heads to step up to the aftermarket RACE Parts!!! We have very little out there to choose from.
Well Said.
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: Super Scamp]
#888235
12/27/10 02:52 PM
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my rms front end works flawless,spend the money with the right one,its something u cant skimp on! just sayin
Thanks for the revenue lessons fellas. However as stated before I don't mind thinking outside of the box for what looks like a solid product... I mean way back when Ford introduced the 1st Model "T" people didn't say, "No thanks we have these great horse and carriages".
Who are we to judge if a product is quality without knowing anyone who's run it or without even putting our hands on it?
I just think some are jumping the gun on this one.
I think If you own a Mopar your already thinking out side the box to go fast.  If somebody wants to spend the time and $$$$ to bring us another product for us Mopar builders I'm willing to listen and look into a new product.  We need more Mopar gear heads to step up to the aftermarket RACE Parts!!! We have very little out thier to choose from.
 That will keep the cost down so I can go racing and just not sit in the garage and Talk on the forums all the time.. I want to see a book with every aftermarket MOPAR part out thier more than 10 pages long   ...
I agree.. by the looks of your car you are doing more than just talking about racing... Thats a nice one... what size foot you have on her?
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
#888237
12/27/10 05:14 PM
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She has a stock K-Member ,well some what stock Looking to up grade 540cubic inches of Mopar is what is going in the beast. Looking into the Bob's K member or one of the other brands out thier. Doing my home work first... 
Just One Man's Opinion
Mopar Mafia Racing
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
#888238
12/27/10 06:14 PM
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If I were in the market for such a K (any maker's K, for that matter...), I'd be asking the following questions...
What material is it made from and how was it welded?
Have the caster, camber and toe provisions been accounted for so as to make them adjustable within a range where they would suit their purpose?
Is this a drag-car only piece or can it withstand street duty?
Was any sort of software used when designing the piece to insure no weird toe changes, bump steer issues, detrimental caster/camber changes, ackerman issues, etc? Have these values been plotted thru the range of suspension travel and are they available for the buyer to see?
What aftermarket /non-stock pieces are required to complete the suspension?
What modifications to the stock frame rails, etc. are needed to install the piece?
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
#888245
12/27/10 09:50 PM
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pic
The pics are small but it looks like your akerman,s wrong. So is it ? you would/should know.
Hows the Bump steer measure?
Thanks for your efforts, for possibly bringing another new product for our mopars.
Poor ackerman and bump steer issues seem to be the Biggest problem for aftermarket K frames.
Bondo Bob even had a Heck of a time figuring out the bump steer issues. I still dont know if he's got it figured out as well as he likes. Last Ive seen it looks like he changed the outer tierod position mount from below the steering arm to above the steering arm. So ,Im not even sure he's done fiddling with it. mike
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: earthmover]
#888248
12/27/10 11:00 PM
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Sport440
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I don't have a dog in this fight but do plan ( or should I say would like to ) have a new k frame in my new duster project but don't like the idea of 3000 but I understand the RandD the goes into them. So I like the idea here if its not out of price range. With that being said how came you tell its off by the pics that are on the s side? Also he said he has 1 in he's car that's been some pretty good #s I'm sure someone has seen this car run and drive . Mike 
Mike, are you asking me?? The Christmas spirits are flowing at your house
Reading between the lines I think you are asking me why I think the Ackerman looks off??
First I will say there is lots of race cars that are running without proper ackerman with flipped steering arms and aftermarket K frames.
You really dont need it when your racing in a straight line. But its nice to have if you can build it in. So why not!
I make my assumption from the poor small pic, based on the apparent relationship between the lower ball joint and the outer tierod end mount at the steering arm.
If the pic is right its relationship is incorrect and can be fixed. mike 
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: earthmover]
#888250
12/29/10 06:56 PM
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anyone ever try this or get a price?
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
#888251
12/29/10 07:58 PM
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W9 Dart
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I received some great pictures of this new K frame.. Everything looks to be very well thought out and shows in the build.
Last edited by W9 Dart; 12/29/10 08:19 PM.
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
#888264
12/30/10 01:06 AM
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Thanks for all the pictures. The design is similar to what I'm considering building for my heap. No Mustang parts for me.
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: 8secDart]
#888265
12/30/10 07:05 PM
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I think it looks great.I have built my own for about 15 years.Don't let the Mopart's crowd run you off!!!If you have some track times and or video's post them up.The Mopar people need a good priced front end.It's great to see a person trying.
Lenny
Thanks Lenny... Everyone has to earn their place in line and this is no different. Tshell the fabricator has been running this for over a year now in his Abody on the street and strip. He has gone 9.50's with a 1.3 60'. in his W8 motor.
JAson
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
#888266
12/30/10 07:26 PM
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Get-X
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Looks good Nice to hear it's been tested a bit. What does it cost?
'65 Belvedere
'68 GTX
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
#888267
12/30/10 11:40 PM
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Tory, TShell, Stated, K Member, Check it out!!! He also stated he appreciates All the comments good or bad. Remember He said K Member Check it out!! Well, as requested after checking it out the best I can through pics only. Id say it looks pretty beefy. I like all the extra angles of reinforcement. In fact it may be more heavy duty then needed. This K Member actually looks more complicated to build then some of the others out there. On the Whole K frame from the pics, the only thing that jumps out at me is the steering arm/balljoint combo. It may be fine, but I cant tell how the steering arm is attached to the Ball joint portion of the tube. Is it welded to the End or does it run the Whole length?? This piece in particular has had strength problems in othe K frames here in the past. While the K frame itself looks plenty beefy, Im not to sure about this piece. "Let Vic Bloomer/SST340 show you some pics" Broken, from another unit. I think its fine to be inquisitive of a new product. Especially of a product as important as a K Frame that does so much with front steering geometry and control. Please excuse those who have experienced Nitemares and failures in the past with aftermarket K frames. Dont expect people too Swoon over a New piece, Allow them to be inquisitive and cautious. As I stated earlier, I appreciate All new products that someone is willing to take the time and expense to bring to the Mopar crowd. Bring it on! And Tory, Thanks for asking, Check it out!! mike
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: daron]
#888269
12/31/10 12:22 AM
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cant wait to get mine [ hint hint hint] tshell lol
Right after me! lol 
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: wicked]
#888272
12/31/10 07:12 PM
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Have to agree on the ackerman issue, and to me just looks like alot of the welding is undercut. Ie: the plates welded to the control arms, the reinforcing tubes welded to the main crossmember
I wouldn't say undercut... Looks like not enough fill or should put in a smaller weld that doesn't burn the edge. At least from what I can see on the blurry pics...
Otherwise looks decent to me..
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: DemonDust]
#888273
12/31/10 07:25 PM
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Have to agree on the ackerman issue, and to me just looks like alot of the welding is undercut. Ie: the plates welded to the control arms, the reinforcing tubes welded to the main crossmember
I wouldn't say undercut... Looks like not enough fill or should put in a smaller weld that doesn't burn the edge. At least from what I can see on the blurry pics...
Otherwise looks decent to me..
Yes, more fill, appears he only has half the thickness of the material welded
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: wicked]
#888274
01/01/11 01:22 AM
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COST????? anyone or website to go look at it better
Thank you
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
#888275
01/01/11 07:27 AM
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W9/Jason, after further study, of pics 3,4,and 5., they show some serious weld weakness issues, IMO Focus on pic #5 This K Frame does have potential though. But not as shown, IF the pics are correct. mike
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: Sport440]
#888276
01/01/11 07:38 AM
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does anyone have a link(video) that you guys talk about to bobs k member in action?
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: moparniac]
#888282
01/01/11 12:54 PM
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you could say the same thing about bobs stuff makes a good product but the welding sucks
bobs kit has crap weld jobs?
I'd like to see this, I can't believe that statement is true.....
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: DemonDust]
#888283
01/01/11 01:28 PM
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you could say the same thing about bobs stuff makes a good product but the welding sucks
bobs kit has crap weld jobs?
I'd like to see this, I can't believe that statement is true.....
It isnt... I've seen Bobs welds
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: wicked]
#888285
01/01/11 03:45 PM
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Yes, more fill, appears he only has half the thickness of the material welded
To be honest, that's the first thing I noticed from the close-up pictures but I didn't say anything. This is very common, I've seen it in aftermarket control arms, k-frames, and roll bars and cages. For structural components such as these the welds need to be engineered in material and geometry just like anything else. This simply means that the weld material and thickness need to be chosen to handle the loads and stresses they are, or might be, exposed to.
In these days of the internet you have to provide good (and pretty) pictures of your product to gain market acceptance. This need for prettiness hasn't necessarily been good for quality. I strongly encourage anyone thinking of making this kind of product to pick up a basic Mechanical Engineering text with a section on weld design and read that section until you understand it. I know, that's not gonna happen.
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
#888287
01/01/11 04:24 PM
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Just curious, how do you guys know that this product is not of quality? How do you know that this company didn't do adequate R&D? You don't right? I understand your loyalty to the company you purchased your product from, but don't talk out of line about another company you know nothing about.
Us as Mopar enthusiast should welcome options as we are always behind the times and production with it comes after market product options.
Jason
What is this company's name?
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: Sixpak]
#888288
01/01/11 05:00 PM
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If I were in the market for such a K (any maker's K, for that matter...), I'd be asking the following questions...
What material is it made from and how was it welded?
Have the caster, camber and toe provisions been accounted for so as to make them adjustable within a range where they would suit their purpose?
Is this a drag-car only piece or can it withstand street duty?
Was any sort of software used when designing the piece to insure no weird toe changes, bump steer issues, detrimental caster/camber changes, ackerman issues, etc? Have these values been plotted thru the range of suspension travel and are they available for the buyer to see?
What aftermarket /non-stock pieces are required to complete the suspension?
What modifications to the stock frame rails, etc. are needed to install the piece?
Many of these questions have been unanswered as well.
Cro-moly tubing? Dom ? or you using pipe from Lowe's?
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
#888289
01/01/11 05:25 PM
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PLEASE put a cotter pin in that lower joint!
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: theman440]
#888290
01/01/11 05:41 PM
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: 8secDart]
#888294
01/02/11 03:09 AM
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I got an idea.With all the experts on here in welding,structual engineering and all around know it all's.Why is there only a hand full of frontend kits out there.
Because most can't change the plugs in there car but can tell you all about it on the computer.
I have no dog in this fight but you guys are A$$hole's.PM the guy with you thoughts and or ideas.
Or better build something to prove you know WTH your talking about.
Flame on I could care less what the Mayor's have to say,
Thanks Lenny
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[Re: 8secDart]
#888295
01/02/11 03:34 AM
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I got an idea.With all the experts on here in welding,structual engineering and all around know it all's.Why is there only a hand full of frontend kits out there.
Because most can't change the plugs in there car but can tell you all about it on the computer.
I have no dog in this fight but you guys are A$$hole's.PM the guy with you thoughts and or ideas.
Or better build something to prove you know WTH your talking about.
Flame on I could care less what the Mayor's have to say,
Thanks Lenny
couldn't agree more. everyone on here cries about how expensive aftermarket parts are but when someone comes out with something new they want to bash away. supply and demand dictate prices. high demand, low supply = higher prices
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[Re: 8secDart]
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01/02/11 03:35 AM
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I got an idea.With all the experts on here in welding,structual engineering and all around know it all's.Why is there only a hand full of frontend kits out there.
Because most can't change the plugs in there car but can tell you all about it on the computer.
I have no dog in this fight but you guys are A$$hole's.PM the guy with you thoughts and or ideas.
Or better build something to prove you know WTH your talking about.
Flame on I could care less what the Mayor's have to say,
Thanks Lenny
I was just stating facts that I could see in the sub par pics. I never said they were poor welds. As per AWS specs D1.1(which doesn't apply to steel under .125 thick) required weld size is 90% of the thickness of the thinnest mating material. I'm pretty sure he's got that. I was simply correcting the guy that said the welds were undercut.
By the way I can change my own plugs thank you 
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[Re: W9 Dart]
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01/02/11 03:44 AM
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I got an idea.With all the experts on here in welding,structual engineering and all around know it all's.Why is there only a hand full of frontend kits out there.
Because most can't change the plugs in there car but can tell you all about it on the computer.
I have no dog in this fight but you guys are A$$hole's.PM the guy with you thoughts and or ideas.
Or better build something to prove you know WTH your talking about.
Flame on I could care less what the Mayor's have to say,
Thanks Lenny
I got a idea!, If your going to post a thread.
Check out this K Frame!!!
How about Sticking around to respond to some inquiries about it. 
Bob, ProFab didnt have a problem with it!
Most of the questions were legit, if you cant come answer any of them, then why would Anyone want to buy one of these K frames. Think about it!! mike
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
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01/02/11 03:47 AM
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Check out this K Member.
Can we really, !! You mean like just look at it or ask Questions too.
See what I mean, mike
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: moparniac]
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01/02/11 10:25 AM
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Good Morning!!! First of all I didn't go anywhere, been here the whole time watching these threads and the nonsense being said. I'll address any questions you have, I'm not afraid, I wouldn't have put this on if I was. I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel OR build a Chrysler front end! I simply took the after market technology on the Ford spindel & the after market GM spindel and applied it to my build. Let's face it, we never hear the Ford/Chevy guys having any problems with shake and back-up issues....do we?? So I just took something that worked and applied it to what I was building. I thought this would all be common sense, but you know what they say about common sense...it's not so COMMON! When was the last time you opened a coil over shock/ladder bar, that read MOPAR ONLY...just saying. If you have an A.R.T catalog, there is a A-Arm Front End assembly in there, that I based mine on and found to be pretty simple. They got the ackerman right, so if they're wrong, I'm wrong. And yes, I did put this on asking for questions/comments, didn't put it out to sell, maybe some of you are confused there. Maybe if I spent more time on these forums talking about building a K Member instead of doing it, I would understand all these threads. Guess that's where I'm different, the talkers will just talk and the do-er's will just DO!!! 
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[Re: TShell]
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01/02/11 11:40 AM
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Working on pricing.
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
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01/02/11 11:42 AM
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This place is just like a high school you gotta hang out with the cool kids to fit. If not your gonna get flamed, and its so sad that its like that. Some post stuff not about racing and its moved some do it and it stay your not in that cool kid circle. I respect all and all there help on my crazy ??? But when it comes down to it if you don't follow the (as lenny put it mayors) you can't do this or that. Nobody is here to under mind bob,rms,aje,or any of the others this guy is just trying to make something a little less cost wise for those that would like it.those others didn't have a perfect k on the very first try.but everybody thinks or act as if the op should be diff. And be perfect 1s time out. Also its guys here that has build there own for there car and if post (I'm sure they did ) pic it was fine cause it wasn't for sell(or would be) for sell.and its ok to support moparts members but its more then 1. So now I guess its time for my  before I get a  started mike. By the way keep at it tshell
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
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01/02/11 01:40 PM
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Good Morning!!! First of all I didn't go anywhere, been here the whole time watching these threads and the nonsense being said. I'll address any questions you have, I'm not afraid, I wouldn't have put this on if I was.
And yes, I did put this on asking for questions/comments, didn't put it out to sell, maybe some of you are confused there. Maybe if I spent more time on these forums talking about building a K Member instead of doing it, I would understand all these threads. Guess that's where I'm different, the talkers will just talk and the do-er's will just DO!!!
Ok that being said, there are a bunch of guys that are showing interest and asking questions. Yet you post the above post just BS'ing around the actual questions the guys are asking. Typical salesman.
You say you didn't put it out to sell???
Earlier you say the company is
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STR-Small Time Racing. Have this in my own personal car, went 9.60's at 140 mph.
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The K Member with rack is 27 pounds total, you use your stock spindels, keeping your own brake system. Working on pricing.
Sounds like you're looking to market this. If that's the case, there are a ton of questions guys are asking that you aren't answering. What is so hard about answering the questions? You say you're here watching the thread
I built my own K frame and learned alot on the way. I'd like to hear answers as well just to know and see how you arrived at your point. I've been 114 mph in the 660 with no issues. But I do have some small ackerman issues, but really doesn't bother me cause it's a drag car.
Oh by the way our 660 is on glare ice
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: sunroofgtx]
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01/02/11 04:05 PM
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My experience with the tube K-frame issue is this: There's 1000 ways to build a K-frame and rack setup, but there are only so many ways to do it correctly.
These guys are asking a whole bunch of tough questions because this comes up 2 or 3 times a year when someone comes up with the latest, greatest idea. You don't want to answer that's fine, but getting hostile will gaurantee that you will not sell many kits.
Trust me, pretty welds and nice powder coating don't mean the thing will not kill you once it's put in the car. I've got a $3K POS laying in my shop that I may never be able to get to work correctly.
"Everybody funny, now you funny too."
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
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01/02/11 04:11 PM
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Good Morning!!! First of all I didn't go anywhere, been here the whole time watching these threads and the nonsense being said. I'll address any questions you have, I'm not afraid, I wouldn't have put this on if I was.
I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel OR build a Chrysler front end! I simply took the after market technology on the Ford spindel & the after market GM spindel and applied it to my build. Let's face it, we never hear the Ford/Chevy guys having any problems with shake and back-up issues....do we?? So I just took something that worked and applied it to what I was building. I thought this would all be common sense, but you know what they say about common sense...it's not so COMMON! When was the last time you opened a coil over shock/ladder bar, that read MOPAR ONLY...just saying. If you have an A.R.T catalog, there is a A-Arm Front End assembly in there, that I based mine on and found to be pretty simple. They got the ackerman right, so if they're wrong, I'm wrong.
And yes, I did put this on asking for questions/comments, didn't put it out to sell, maybe some of you are confused there. Maybe if I spent more time on these forums talking about building a K Member instead of doing it, I would understand all these threads. Guess that's where I'm different, the talkers will just talk and the do-er's will just DO!!!
Well put!! As I said earlyer in this post. Glad to see someone trying to slove the Great Mopar Mystery.  Yes I'm looking to buy a complete front end soon.  Without trying to break the bank. Yes I have built most of my car with the help of my fellow Mopar family, but with out guys like Bobs Fab Shop and others we all would be trying to install something under our cars. Hats of to all those that are trying to give us something to install that works..
Keep up the hard work...
As far as being a part in the Click!! thats True !!!Lucky that Mopar Mafia Racing we don't care about clicks, We keep the smack down controll at the track...
Just One Man's Opinion
Mopar Mafia Racing
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
#888309
01/02/11 07:27 PM
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Tory, Also as I have stated earlier, I think its great another Mopar guy is trying to help provide parts to the mopar crowd But if its just another K frame with the same old Bumpsteer and Akerman problems as some others in the past, its just a shiny piece of rigging thats not worth two dead flys. Before I would Buy ANY K frame Id want to make sure those issues were figured out. I asked a simple question about the appearence of incorrect ackerman. Your answers dont give me much confidence, Your answers were 1. The ackerman seems fine. 2. I copied it from a A arm assembly from the A.R.T. catalog. And its right. If mines wrong thiers is wrong. No offense meant, but the above answers just mean you dont know. If the first pic of the steering arm/ball joint piece is Correct/Current then I can tell you without a Doubt sitting here in my chair that your Ackerman is not only incorrect , its Reversed. If it means anything to you, it took me about 5 years making adjustments to really figure out ackermann. I knew what it was but didnt know how to adjust it. As anyone whos done it can attest, building a k frame rack steer setup is a education in bump steer and ackerman. Lets not forget steering inclination axis. If your going to try and market a K frame you really should be able to answer questions like how much bump steer it has in fraction" and the amount ackerman it has in degrees if need be. The answer, It seems fine!!, doesnt cut it for Me That might be fine enough for others. I am really sorry if the above seems harsh, I dont mean it to be. But things like Bump steer and Ackerman Really, Really need to be addressed and asked about. Anyways, keep up the Build, mike
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: Sport440]
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01/02/11 09:04 PM
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The ackerman seems fine. I copied it from a A arm assembly from the A.R.T. catalog. And its right. If mines wrong thiers is wrong. Seems indicative of the level of engineering and R&D that has gone into this product
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: wicked]
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01/02/11 09:17 PM
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The ackerman seems fine.
I copied it from a A arm assembly from the A.R.T. catalog. And its right. If mines wrong thiers is wrong.
Seems indicative of the level of engineering and R&D that has gone into this product
Where is your front end package.Man you have 47 post and half are ragging this poor guy.You are proveing my first post so true.I can see your going to fit in on Moparts just fine.
Just because the guy can't write a book on frontends does't mean his frontend is junk.He said it has worked great.If you like it call him,If not go pick on somethig else.
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[Re: 80arrow]
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01/03/11 10:00 PM
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Why is it that Tory comes on here to post pics and get your opinions on his k frame.And you guy's have to post about everyone elses.Tory does one heck of a job and don't only work on mopars.He helps with Ann and Steve Erbs sweet 10.5 all motor 8 second amx,and a 10.5 7 second camaro.Good luck Tory and Sean your dart looks good.Kenny
3120lb, small block, 10.5" tire, NA, through exhaust, full int, WITH 83/4 REAR, 9.0 at 150mph
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
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01/03/11 10:17 PM
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Yep, same Tory! I was working on his 65, had same shake issues as Bob when he started. Kept working at it, made alot of changes/progress with it. Went through all the same problems, ackerman, backup, wheels would tow in and shake
at 100 mph. The new piece I had at 140 mph, no shake, 3.5 caster, handles well. Still working to improve everything.
Anybody want to share how to get rid of the shake?
Still working on mine.......
Lee
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: moparniac]
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01/03/11 11:21 PM
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The factory rear-steer system has the tie rod ends inboard of lower ball joints, this is how the correct Ackerman angle is generated. If you install a front steer system with the tie rod ends inboard of the lower ball joints you get the Ackerman angle disaster that people are talking about. It seems this is a right of passage for those who don't think it out ahead of time. On related topic, have you ever noticed how on A-bodies the camber goes negative when the front end lifts? This is because the lower control arms are so much longer than the uppers. Using the Musty II steering knuckle requires an even shorter upper control arm. It sure does make it easy to buy off the shelf parts out of a catalog though. Eliminating the torsion bars allows a shorter lower control arm if someone is willing to look into that. A shorter lower control arm also makes it possible to decrease the wheel rate of the coil spring. This will make it easier to fit a drag race spring rate on a 10" shock in the space available. Pretty things are for little girls, I want my stuff to work.
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
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01/04/11 12:12 AM
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He thought outside the box and didn't try and fix the Ackerman, reverse, bump steer issues that others have run into while making their own Mopar based units.
Really??, Thats not what Tory states!
Jason, You need to stop posting in Torys behalf, Your only hurting his credibility IMO.
This thread could use 23 more posts of his vs 23 of yours. No offense intended,
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: Lee]
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01/04/11 12:14 AM
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Went through all the same problems, ackerman, backup, wheels would tow in and shake
at 100 mph.
From Tory , himself
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
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01/04/11 12:19 AM
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He thought outside the box and didn't try and fix the Ackerman, reverse, bump steer issues that others have run into while making their own Mopar based units.
Why wouldn't you correct bump steer? That would be dumbest thing not to correct.
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: Sport440]
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01/04/11 12:24 AM
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He thought outside the box and didn't try and fix the Ackerman, reverse, bump steer issues that others have run into while making their own Mopar based units.
Really??, Thats not what Tory states!
Jason, You need to stop posting in Torys behalf, Your only hurting his credibility IMO.
This thread could use 23 more posts of his vs 23 of yours. No offense intended,
Yeah.. I'll keep that in mind thanks for the wise words key board commando! 
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
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01/04/11 12:38 AM
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To my knowledge GM and Ford have front steering for a long time. The pinto for example since 1971, that I know of. They don't have bump steer or ackerman issues. Why would he waste time fixing bump steer?????? Really?? you're asking that question... Obviously you've never driven a car with bump steer. It's scary and with any amount of horsepower, you can be sure you'll see the wall...... If he hasn't fixed it he should just to save his A$$ from a lawsuit.....
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
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01/04/11 12:46 AM
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Why would he waste his time correcting or reinventing the wheel when he can just copy and use what he knows works in the GM and Phord products?
He did make adjustments, He stated he did. As does Anybody who makes one of these things has to.
Believe it or not , Im for the guy! Id Like to see him Succeed with a Great Product.
I dont understand this Sharade deal thats going on, IMO between you and him. Your like a pawn.
Like I said I think your hurting, him.
Tory, and Tory only! I like your efforts on the K build. Keep it up! Your car sounds great, and love it. I too played it several times for enjoyment mike
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[Re: wicked]
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01/04/11 12:07 PM
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Sorry Wicked, no monies exchanged yet.  It's real easy to get in contact with Tory, his Email is on his profile. Wicked didn't you make a K frame? I'd like to see pictures of it a compare them with others. Was it for a Street or Strip car? Any issues? Jason
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[Re: earthmover]
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01/05/11 05:34 PM
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I'm Lee
I have a Duster with an LRT K frame, been on the car since 2005. Have been working with LRT to get rid of the brake shake. Have tried several different things with limited sucess. The car gets raced alot, almost 200 passes last year. Was just asking what other guys did to eliminate the brake shake. I would like to keep the torsion bars, thats why I am trying to fix the LRT K-frame instead of buying another one.
Lee
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
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01/05/11 05:58 PM
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W9, That's a good thing! He started a public thread to promote his product he should be willing to answer publicly. I don't have a k-frame to market, nor do I intend to, nor do I intend to rip-off his ripped-off design. If he wants to keep it a secret then it will end up as one Glad to see you are doing some research though
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[Re: wicked]
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01/05/11 06:42 PM
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homemade upper and lower moly control arms mustang rack pinto spindle gm metric brakes 1/8 toe in camber 0 caster 6 pos anti dive 3 1 in off set QA1 coil overs 9.89@135 best street drives great car seen at cc events by lots of moparts guys but it is not a bolt in bondo has great stuff my
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[Re: QWK_ENUF]
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01/05/11 08:14 PM
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When I first got on this thread I took it that someone new was marketing K-members. Didn't realize this was just a guy building his own.
But, otherwise my comments still stand.
Something else I would like to comment on. K-members are being built for Ford and Chevies. There are a lot of them that have trouble. Don't let the crybaby Mopar guy fool you. You know the guy that thinks everything is lovely in Bowtie and Horsie land. Just not so. They are just quite about there troubles especially when around Mopar guys. LOL
Oh, Passenger side rack mount should have nothing to do with brake shake. I have ran with the bolt out of the mount altogether and had no shake. Geometry problems cause shakes not thin tubing, bad welds, or any of the other myths about front suspensions.
Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.
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[Re: StrokedW7]
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01/06/11 06:26 PM
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Tory... Will you please get off the internet and finish putting the Lenco in my Valiant?  These internet jockies will never get it. This is the exact reason so many people stop posting on this site. So many people will start out their post with... "I think" or "IMO". Unless your educated on the subject - most people do not care what you think or what your opinion is. BTW - Congrats on getting your car done. Looks good. Hopefully when I come down to get my car, I can see it in action.
Ya Tory.....Quite trying to help peolpe who work on their own car. These internet jockies will never get it! (Most who would be able to put a trans in their car by THEMSELVES!) I perfer to work on my own car and have a problem and am asking for info on MOPARTS, Isn't that what MOPARTS is for?
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[Re: Lee]
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01/06/11 11:03 PM
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I'm Lee
I have a Duster with an LRT K frame, been on the car since 2005. Have been working with LRT to get rid of the brake shake. Have tried several different things with limited sucess. The car gets raced alot, almost 200 passes last year. Was just asking what other guys did to eliminate the brake shake. I would like to keep the torsion bars, thats why I am trying to fix the LRT K-frame instead of buying another one.
Lee
Hey Lee, did you ever get an answer to your brake shake question? Email me, maybe I can help?
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HemiDenny doesn't finish weld these; he designs and tacks them. All finish welding is done by one of the two guys at Streitech HAWK chassis who build national winning USAC midget chassis and sprint cars. Some of the best names in the business are wheeling their iron. Mike Streicher was the 1991 USAC National Midget Champion - the year after Jeff Gordon was. Maybe I better rush right over there and tell them what you think of their welding. http://www.theracedepot.com/product7.htm
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HemiDenny doesn't finish weld these; he designs and tacks them.
All finish welding is done by one of the two guys at Streitech HAWK
chassis who build national winning USAC midget chassis and sprint cars.
Some of the best names in the business are wheeling their iron.
Mike Streicher was the 1991 USAC National Midget Champion - the year
after Jeff Gordon was.
Maybe I better rush right over there and tell them what you think of
their welding.
http://www.theracedepot.com/product7.htm
You go right ahead and tell them. When undercut is so bad you can see it in a picture there is a problem.
I've welded on lots of jobs including nuclear facilities and those welds wouldn't pass a visual test from 5 feet away.
I've seen some amazing race cars and let me tell you, some of the welds I've seen are pretty rough. And once again I say will they fail??? Probably not, but it's the principal.
I'll tell you right now, if I bought a K-frame that showed up on my doorstep looking like that it'd be sent right back and there would be a lot of azz jacking going on. 
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I think that you may be jumping to conclusions here. That's not burn through and shrinkage. These pieces are all slotted and tabbed and what you're seeing are the welds on the tabs where they come through from the other side. Oh, and the Streichtech welders are also instructors by night at UNOH (Lima, OH).   
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I'm Lee
I have a Duster with an LRT K frame, been on the car since 2005. Have been working with LRT to get rid of the brake shake. Have tried several different things with limited sucess. The car gets raced alot, almost 200 passes last year. Was just asking what other guys did to eliminate the brake shake. I would like to keep the torsion bars, thats why I am trying to fix the LRT K-frame instead of buying another one.
Lee
Lee whats the back spacing on your wheels... I dont
know your front end but from testing and my own work
I have seen that if the wheel/tire centerline is out
past the centerline of the ball joint the braking
causes flex... the farther out it is the greater leverage
arm it has... it only shows up under braking but once
it starts it gets bad and it tears up parts
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Lee whats the back spacing on your wheels... I dont know your front end but from testing and my own work I have seen that if the wheel/tire centerline is out past the centerline of the ball joint the braking causes flex... the farther out it is the greater leverage arm it has... it only shows up under braking but once it starts it gets bad and it tears up parts
Hi Mike
My wheels have 2.25 inch back spacing. If you are talking about scrub angle, we have tried several different thing to help the scrub angle and it seemed to have little effect. Rob from LRT and I have been working on the brake shake problem on my car. We have fixed it. No more brake shake. I have raced my car all summer with no brake shake. We changed a couple things and eliminated the brake shake. We are now trying to get it to brake shake to find out exactly what fixed it. Sort of a A-B-A test. We have a pretty good idea, but want to be sure. We also fixed the tires toeing in when backing up problem. I just got a set of wheels with the other back spacing to try to see if that has any effect.
Lee
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Lee whats the back spacing on your wheels... I dont
know your front end but from testing and my own work
I have seen that if the wheel/tire centerline is out
past the centerline of the ball joint the braking
causes flex... the farther out it is the greater leverage
arm it has... it only shows up under braking but once
it starts it gets bad and it tears up parts
Hi Mike
My wheels have 2.25 inch back spacing. If you are talking about scrub angle, we have tried several different thing to help the scrub angle and it seemed to have little effect. Rob from LRT and I have been working on the brake shake problem on my car. We have fixed it. No more brake shake. I have raced my car all summer with no brake shake. We changed a couple things and eliminated the brake shake. We are now trying to get it to brake shake to find out exactly what fixed it. Sort of a A-B-A test. We have a pretty good idea, but want to be sure. We also fixed the tires toeing in when backing up problem. I just got a set of wheels with the other back spacing to try to see if that has any effect.
Lee
What corrected the toe in problem when backing up? We are having the same issue with ours.
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So it's wrong for me to expect a quality product when I'm spending 3k and up for a front suspension system?
Sorry, if I wanted shi++y welds I'd buy shi+ from China. I guess that's why I built my own front suspension. I know I have no undercut and burn thru all over the place. You should be able to see the HAZ but should not see the metal start to shrink.
I hope this does get back to them. It will drive them to put out a quality product. This may be an amazing product, but with welds like that I wouldn't buy it.
Sounds like there are more than enough people lined up to purchase your product, especially since the welds are so much better. Id say that is a very good marketing ploy you have on your side. Id definitely like to see some of your work to critique.
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What corrected the toe in problem when backing up? We are having the same issue with ours.
To be honest we are not sure exactly what we did to correct that problem. Before I could hardly back up my car, now it will roll by itself down the slight incline in my driveway. We still have more testing to do. What front end do you have on your car?
Lee
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Basic solution for proper ackerman:
Draw a line from the (centered) rearend pinion through the spindle.
The outer tie rod end, front or rear steer, should be on this line.
This is why you must never, ever use stock rear steer spindles on a
front steer rack conversion.
Need a little clarification , the line through the spindle? Do you mean center of ball joint?
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What corrected the toe in problem when backing up? We are having the same issue with ours.
To be honest we are not sure exactly what we did to correct that problem. Before I could hardly back up my car, now it will roll by itself down the slight incline in my driveway. We still have more testing to do. What front end do you have on your car?
Lee
We have a CAP unit
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Sorry for the 4 year old bump.. But is Tory Shellhammer (TShell) still around? His work seems pretty darn nice.
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Sorry for the 4 year old bump.. But is Tory Shellhammer (TShell) still around? His work seems pretty darn nice. Yes he still builds front ends and does some chassis work. 
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Yes he still builds front ends and does some chassis work.
Does he have a website or FB page? Thanks.
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Must be having a brain fart.. can't find him on FB at all..
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Sorry for the 4 year old bump.. But is Tory Shellhammer (TShell) still around? His work seems pretty darn nice. Yes he still builds front ends and does some chassis work. Hey Brad, You like all the colors in my Dining Room? I should be installing the K-Frame for the last time next weekend. How's your stuff coming along?
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I just love how you have it laid out so nicely on the table. Shows everything for people to see. Mine is slow but coming along nicely, just keep adding more and more to it.
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Found him on FB, thanks! Now just waiting for a reply.
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for a B-body yah..but haven't heard back from him yet.
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Did pm him on Facebook? Throughly the link I posted here.
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Yes same guy, what's your name he doesn't see a private message.
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Pm sent to you. Nothing yet from TShell.  Sent you a pm.
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hope you get it worked out 
