Posted By: TShell
K MEMBER - 12/26/10 01:24 AM
Check out this K Member.
K MEMBER
Posted By: TShell
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 01:26 AM
another picture
Posted By: DusterDave
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 01:26 AM
How much lighter is it than a stock K? How much lighter will your wallet be after buying it?
Posted By: Cudahlr
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 01:27 AM
Interesting, who makes it?
Posted By: TShell
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 01:40 AM
STR-Small Time Racing. Have this in my own personal car, went 9.60's at 140 mph.
Posted By: TShell
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 01:43 AM
The K Member with rack is 27 pounds total, you use your stock spindels, keeping your own brake system. Working on pricing.
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 04:03 PM
I'm very interested in this... I posted this up on forabodiesonly as well.... are you hemimark or hemidenny on there by any chance? I ask bc everyone over there says thats who fabbed this product up... Either way if the price is right i'm interested.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 04:18 PM
Quote:
I'm very interested in this... I posted this up on forabodiesonly as well.... are you hemimark or hemidenny on there by any chance? I ask bc everyone over there says thats who fabbed this product up... Either way if the price is right i'm interested.
Welcome .... another small block guy
Posted By: B1KILLER
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 04:36 PM
Looks good 
Posted By: Leon441
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 06:19 PM
Everyone's making a K-member now. The one I have was made 12 years ago with no issues. Many have bought or built them and had issues. Some worse than others.
I already have one and am perfectly capable of making my own. But, that said I would be hard pressed not to buy one from Bob's Pro Fab. A video of the suspension in action and watching Donald Carter's Dart is all the proof I need. '
THIS K-MEMBER MAY BE THE CATS MEOW BUT, I WOULD NOT BUY ANYTHING FOR A FRONT SUSPENSION BASED ON PRICE. It may not be cheaper, just saying.
There is nothing on a race car that can get you in trouble quicker than a geometry problem in front suspension. Before buying I would ask him to video tape as Bob did the front suspension where you can see the A-arm, spindle and tire in motion over hard bumps and hard takeoffs. Also whatch it when the car backs up. This particular front K-member looks a lot like old designs already out there. I would be curious as to what is different about it.
I already have one and am perfectly capable of making my own. But, that said I would be hard pressed not to buy one from Bob's Pro Fab. A video of the suspension in action and watching Donald Carter's Dart is all the proof I need. '
THIS K-MEMBER MAY BE THE CATS MEOW BUT, I WOULD NOT BUY ANYTHING FOR A FRONT SUSPENSION BASED ON PRICE. It may not be cheaper, just saying.
There is nothing on a race car that can get you in trouble quicker than a geometry problem in front suspension. Before buying I would ask him to video tape as Bob did the front suspension where you can see the A-arm, spindle and tire in motion over hard bumps and hard takeoffs. Also whatch it when the car backs up. This particular front K-member looks a lot like old designs already out there. I would be curious as to what is different about it.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 06:26 PM
Quote:
Everyone's in the K-member business now.
I already have one and am perfectly capable of making my own. But, that said I would be hard pressed not to buy one from Bob's Pro Fab. A video of the suspension in action and watching Donald Carter's Dart is all the proof I need. '
THIS K-MEMBER MAY BE THE CATS MEOW BUT, I WOULD NOT BUY ANYTHING FOR A FRONT SUSPENSION BASED ON PRICE. It may not be cheaper, just saying.
There is nothing on a race car that can get you in trouble quicker than a geometry problem in front suspension. Before buying I would ask him to video tape as Bob did the front suspension where you can see the A-arm, spindle and tire in motion over hard bumps and hard takeoffs. Also whatch it when the car backs up. This particular front K-member looks a lot like old designs already out there. I would be curious as to what is different about it.
100%... Bob SHOWS whats going on.... mightcost a bit more but R&D also cost... and I know you
arent getting junk with Bobs front end
Posted By: Get-X
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 06:40 PM
Quote:Quote:
Everyone's in the K-member business now.
I already have one and am perfectly capable of making my own. But, that said I would be hard pressed not to buy one from Bob's Pro Fab. A video of the suspension in action and watching Donald Carter's Dart is all the proof I need. '
THIS K-MEMBER MAY BE THE CATS MEOW BUT, I WOULD NOT BUY ANYTHING FOR A FRONT SUSPENSION BASED ON PRICE. It may not be cheaper, just saying.
There is nothing on a race car that can get you in trouble quicker than a geometry problem in front suspension. Before buying I would ask him to video tape as Bob did the front suspension where you can see the A-arm, spindle and tire in motion over hard bumps and hard takeoffs. Also whatch it when the car backs up. This particular front K-member looks a lot like old designs already out there. I would be curious as to what is different about it.
cost a bit more but R&D also cost... and I know you
arent getting junk with Bobs front end
x3 Bob's fab work is second to none, and I have no problem paying a little extra for that talent and professionalism. He uses the highest end rod ends, ball joint and tube. His system is well designed, throughly tested and a proven product. Its also purty to look at 
Couple that with Bob being a very nice guy who seems honest and dependable and I have no reason to look anywhere else.
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 06:56 PM
Just curious, how do you guys know that this product is not of quality? How do you know that this company didn't do adequate R&D? You don't right? I understand your loyalty to the company you purchased your product from, but don't talk out of line about another company you know nothing about.
Us as Mopar enthusiast should welcome options as we are always behind the times and production with it comes after market product options.
Jason
Us as Mopar enthusiast should welcome options as we are always behind the times and production with it comes after market product options.
Jason
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 07:01 PM
Quote:
Just curious, how do you guys know that this product is not of quality? How do you know that this company didn't do adequate R&D? You don't right? I understand your loyalty to the company you purchased your product from, but don't talk out of line about another company you know nothing about.
Us as Mopar enthusiast should welcome options as we are always behind the times and production with it comes after market product options.
Jason
I dont think anyone talked bad about the OP product
but Bob shows the way his product works(video)... I
dont run Bobs front end... just seen his work(in
person)
Posted By: Dustedu
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 07:18 PM
Here's the one Laverne helped me build for my car, been over 150 drives great and didn't spend 3000 on the build! 
Posted By: TShell
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 07:33 PM
As I appreciate all the comments, negative & positive, however, I am quite confident in my build and that it could stand up to the best of them. I guess the difference is, I'm willing to think outside the box and try something new, good or bad. For those of you, interested, thank you!
Posted By: Leon441
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 07:38 PM
Quote:Quote:
Just curious, how do you guys know that this product is not of quality? How do you know that this company didn't do adequate R&D? You don't right? I understand your loyalty to the company you purchased your product from, but don't talk out of line about another company you know nothing about.
Us as Mopar enthusiast should welcome options as we are always behind the times and production with it comes after market product options.
Jason
I dont think anyone talked bad about the OP product
but Bob shows the way his product works(video)... I
dont run Bobs front end... just seen his work(in
person)
Hey it may be better. If you read you will see no one is knocking the product, yet. Get some video and some pictures of the parts that matter on these front ends. LOL
Posted By: Get-X
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 07:44 PM
Quote:
Just curious, how do you guys know that this product is not of quality? How do you know that this company didn't do adequate R&D? You don't right? I understand your loyalty to the company you purchased your product from, but don't talk out of line about another company you know nothing about.
Us as Mopar enthusiast should welcome options as we are always behind the times and production with it comes after market product options.
Jason
Hello Jason and welcome to the forum
Huh?
I don't see **one** negative reference to the system being posted about. I agree that options are good for us as racers. I also believe that those that are building the highest quality pieces and are honest and provide excellent customer service need to be supported which is why you see the support for Bob.
Posted By: TShell
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 08:08 PM
Leon, what piece would you like to see that wasn't on my pics?
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 08:19 PM
Can you get me a price on a complete K frame, pinion steering, lower control arms, and coil overs... Also can I use my RMS tubular UCA's?
Posted By: TShell
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 08:30 PM
Hey Jason, I'd love to give you more info, contact me on my personal email and I'll give you my number, we can talk.
Tory
Tory
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 08:39 PM
Quote:
Hey Jason, I'd love to give you more info, contact me on my personal email and I'll give you my number, we can talk.
Tory
I jsut sent you a Email.
JAson
Posted By: mokid
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 09:19 PM
Quote:
Everyone's in the K-member business now.
I already have one and am perfectly capable of making my own. But, that said I would be hard pressed not to buy one from Bob's Pro Fab. A video of the suspension in action and watching Donald Carter's Dart is all the proof I need. '
THIS K-MEMBER MAY BE THE CATS MEOW BUT, I WOULD NOT BUY ANYTHING FOR A FRONT SUSPENSION BASED ON PRICE. It may not be cheaper, just saying.
There is nothing on a race car that can get you in trouble quicker than a geometry problem in front suspension. Before buying I would ask him to video tape as Bob did the front suspension where you can see the A-arm, spindle and tire in motion over hard bumps and hard takeoffs. Also whatch it when the car backs up. This particular front K-member looks a lot like old designs already out there. I would be curious as to what is different about it.
Unlike the Crap you recommened in the past from High Speed Welding in Chicago, Very Well could have killed myself or Totaly Trashed my car, speaking of bump stear my rack and strut has none plus car steers like a ship.
Posted By: mafo
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 09:25 PM
if you assemble it with a pair of strange struts it looks just like any tube frame comp car to me...should work great if it is made from quality materials
Posted By: fishy340
Re: K MEMBER - 12/26/10 10:23 PM
my rms front end works flawless,spend the money with the right one,its something u cant skimp on! 
just sayin
just sayin
Posted By: MRMOPAR
Re: K MEMBER - 12/27/10 06:00 AM
Quote:
my rms front end works flawless,spend the money with the right one,its something u cant skimp on!
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/27/10 04:27 PM
Quote:
my rms front end works flawless,spend the money with the right one,its something u cant skimp on!
Thanks for the revenue lessons fellas. However as stated before I don't mind thinking outside of the box for what looks like a solid product... I mean way back when Ford introduced the 1st Model "T" people didn't say, "No thanks we have these great horse and carriages".
Who are we to judge if a product is quality without knowing anyone who's run it or without even putting our hands on it?
I just think some are jumping the gun on this one.
Jason
Posted By: Super Scamp
Re: K MEMBER - 12/27/10 06:37 PM
Quote:Quote:
my rms front end works flawless,spend the money with the right one,its something u cant skimp on!
Thanks for the revenue lessons fellas. However as stated before I don't mind thinking outside of the box for what looks like a solid product... I mean way back when Ford introduced the 1st Model "T" people didn't say, "No thanks we have these great horse and carriages".
Who are we to judge if a product is quality without knowing anyone who's run it or without even putting our hands on it?
I just think some are jumping the gun on this one.
I think If you own a Mopar your already thinking out side the box to go fast.If somebody wants to spend the time and $$$$ to bring us another product for us Mopar builders I'm willing to listen and look into a new product.
We need more Mopar gear heads to step up to the aftermarket RACE Parts!!! We have very little out thier to choose from.
That will keep the cost down so I can go racing and just not sit in the garage and Talk on the forums all the time.. I want to see a book with every aftermarket MOPAR part out thier more than 10 pages long
...
Posted By: Kam*Kuda
Re: K MEMBER - 12/27/10 06:48 PM
Quote:
I think If you own a Mopar your already thinking out side the box to go fast. If somebody wants to spend the time and $$$$ to bring us another product for us Mopar builders I'm willing to listen and look into a new product. We need more Mopar gear heads to step up to the aftermarket RACE Parts!!! We have very little out there to choose from.
Well Said.
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/27/10 06:52 PM
Quote:Quote:Quote:
my rms front end works flawless,spend the money with the right one,its something u cant skimp on!
Thanks for the revenue lessons fellas. However as stated before I don't mind thinking outside of the box for what looks like a solid product... I mean way back when Ford introduced the 1st Model "T" people didn't say, "No thanks we have these great horse and carriages".
Who are we to judge if a product is quality without knowing anyone who's run it or without even putting our hands on it?
I just think some are jumping the gun on this one.
I think If you own a Mopar your already thinking out side the box to go fast.
I agree.. by the looks of your car you are doing more than just talking about racing... Thats a nice one... what size foot you have on her?
Posted By: daron
Re: K MEMBER - 12/27/10 06:53 PM
well i can tell you first hand what kind of k-member and forethought went into the build of this piece
Posted By: Super Scamp
Re: K MEMBER - 12/27/10 09:14 PM
She has a stock K-Member ,well some what stock Looking to up grade 540cubic inches of Mopar is what is going in the beast. Looking into the Bob's K member or one of the other brands out thier. Doing my home work first... 
Looking to up grade 540cubic inches of Mopar is what is going in the beast. Looking into the Bob's K member or one of the other brands out thier. Doing my home work first...
Posted By: Sixpak
Re: K MEMBER - 12/27/10 10:14 PM
If I were in the market for such a K (any maker's K, for that matter...), I'd be asking the following questions...
What material is it made from and how was it welded?
Have the caster, camber and toe provisions been accounted for so as to make them adjustable within a range where they would suit their purpose?
Is this a drag-car only piece or can it withstand street duty?
Was any sort of software used when designing the piece to insure no weird toe changes, bump steer issues, detrimental caster/camber changes, ackerman issues, etc? Have these values been plotted thru the range of suspension travel and are they available for the buyer to see?
What aftermarket /non-stock pieces are required to complete the suspension?
What modifications to the stock frame rails, etc. are needed to install the piece?
What material is it made from and how was it welded?
Have the caster, camber and toe provisions been accounted for so as to make them adjustable within a range where they would suit their purpose?
Is this a drag-car only piece or can it withstand street duty?
Was any sort of software used when designing the piece to insure no weird toe changes, bump steer issues, detrimental caster/camber changes, ackerman issues, etc? Have these values been plotted thru the range of suspension travel and are they available for the buyer to see?
What aftermarket /non-stock pieces are required to complete the suspension?
What modifications to the stock frame rails, etc. are needed to install the piece?
Posted By: TShell
Re: K MEMBER - 12/28/10 01:20 AM
Here are some more pics of ball joint/spindel
Posted By: TShell
Re: K MEMBER - 12/28/10 01:21 AM
pic
Posted By: TShell
Re: K MEMBER - 12/28/10 01:24 AM
one more
Posted By: John Burdine
Re: K MEMBER - 12/28/10 01:30 AM
does this set-up change the track width? if so, how much?
Posted By: fishy340
Re: K MEMBER - 12/28/10 01:37 AM
i give credit to all the guys that do stuff for mopar,because mopar itself stinks,its the guys that do all the r&d by themselves that make mopars great...I SUPPORT 100% I WASN'T KNOCKING MY MAN AT ALL!
Posted By: larry890
Re: K MEMBER - 12/28/10 01:42 AM
Quote:do you have pics of the lower balljoints.
one more
Posted By: Sport440
Re: K MEMBER - 12/28/10 01:50 AM
Quote:
pic
The pics are small but it looks like your akerman,s wrong. So is it ? you would/should know.
Hows the Bump steer measure?
Thanks for your efforts, for possibly bringing another new product for our mopars.
Poor ackerman and bump steer issues seem to be the Biggest problem for aftermarket K frames.
Bondo Bob even had a Heck of a time figuring out the bump steer issues. I still dont know if he's got it figured out as well as he likes. Last Ive seen it looks like he changed the outer tierod position mount from below the steering arm to above the steering arm. So ,Im not even sure he's done fiddling with it. mike
Posted By: TShell
Re: K MEMBER - 12/28/10 01:53 AM
Maintains your standard track width and the ackerman seems to be fine. Have front end specs and alot of r&d in my own ride, with me driving.
Posted By: earthmover
Re: K MEMBER - 12/28/10 02:32 AM
I don't have a dog in this fight but do plan ( or should I say would like to ) have a new k frame in my new duster project but don't like the idea of 3000 but I understand the RandD the goes into them. So I like the idea here if its not out of price range. With that being said how came you tell its off by the pics that are on the s side? Also he said he has 1 in he's car that's been some pretty good #s I'm sure someone has seen this car run and drive . Mike 
Posted By: Sport440
Re: K MEMBER - 12/28/10 03:00 AM
Quote:
I don't have a dog in this fight but do plan ( or should I say would like to ) have a new k frame in my new duster project but don't like the idea of 3000 but I understand the RandD the goes into them. So I like the idea here if its not out of price range. With that being said how came you tell its off by the pics that are on the s side? Also he said he has 1 in he's car that's been some pretty good #s I'm sure someone has seen this car run and drive . Mike
Mike, are you asking me??
The Christmas spirits are flowing at your house Reading between the lines I think you are asking me why I think the Ackerman looks off??
First I will say there is lots of race cars that are running without proper ackerman with flipped steering arms and aftermarket K frames.
You really dont need it when your racing in a straight line. But its nice to have if you can build it in. So why not!
I make my assumption from the poor small pic, based on the apparent relationship between the lower ball joint and the outer tierod end mount at the steering arm.
If the pic is right its relationship is incorrect and can be fixed.
mike
Posted By: earthmover
Re: K MEMBER - 12/28/10 04:53 AM
Not really at you just a ?? As I'm learning about all this stuff now. I've always had a stock k in my slow cars . But now plan to try and make a little power and lose a little weight while doing it. So no I'm not looking a pissing match just some points as to what to look for or at. But with that said I think the op. Should keep at it or show a better pic/vid of it in use there are a lot og guys looking to do the k swap but not the wallet swap. Not pointing at anyone just saying this mopar stuff is way high to others that's all mike
Posted By: moparniac
Re: K MEMBER - 12/29/10 10:56 PM
anyone ever try this or get a price?
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/29/10 11:58 PM
I received some great pictures of this new K frame.. Everything looks to be very well thought out and shows in the build.
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 02:36 AM
Can everyone open these pictures?
Posted By: Sport440
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 02:41 AM
I cant It says there are errors.
Also, I notice Both you and Tshell are new members. Welcome, mike
It says there are errors.Also, I notice Both you and Tshell are new members. Welcome, mike
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 03:33 AM
Quote:
I cant
Also, I notice Both you and Tshell are new members. Welcome, mike
Sorry man... I'm Jason from Newport News VA, AKA USCG Charger on LXforums and forabodiesonly.... I just met Tory (Tshell) on here a bot a week ago.... He has been sending me pictures of the product and I think they are of quality and wanting to share them. Let me see if I can upload them again.
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 03:36 AM
pics
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 03:37 AM
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Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 03:39 AM
more
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 03:40 AM
another
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 03:41 AM
again
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 03:42 AM
picture
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 03:45 AM
last
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 03:50 AM
here
Posted By: 8secDart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 04:10 AM
I think it looks great.I have built my own for about 15 years.Don't let the Mopart's crowd run you off!!!If you have some track times and or video's post them up.The Mopar people need a good priced front end.It's great to see a person trying.
Lenny
Lenny
Posted By: @#$%&*!
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 05:06 AM
Quote:
last
Thanks for all the pictures. The design is similar to what I'm considering building for my heap. No Mustang parts for me.
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 11:05 PM
Quote:
I think it looks great.I have built my own for about 15 years.Don't let the Mopart's crowd run you off!!!If you have some track times and or video's post them up.The Mopar people need a good priced front end.It's great to see a person trying.
Lenny
Thanks Lenny... Everyone has to earn their place in line and this is no different. Tshell the fabricator has been running this for over a year now in his Abody on the street and strip. He has gone 9.50's with a 1.3 60'. in his W8 motor.
JAson
Posted By: Get-X
Re: K MEMBER - 12/30/10 11:26 PM
Looks good Nice to hear it's been tested a bit. What does it cost?
Nice to hear it's been tested a bit. What does it cost?
Posted By: Sport440
Re: K MEMBER - 12/31/10 03:40 AM
Tory, TShell, Stated, K Member, Check it out!!! He also stated he appreciates All the comments good or bad. Remember He said K Member Check it out!!
Well, as requested after checking it out the best I can through pics only.
Id say it looks pretty beefy. I like all the extra angles of reinforcement. In fact it may be more heavy duty then needed. This K Member actually looks more complicated to build then some of the others out there.
On the Whole K frame from the pics, the only thing that jumps out at me is the steering arm/balljoint combo.
It may be fine, but I cant tell how the steering arm is attached to the Ball joint portion of the tube. Is it welded to the End or does it run the Whole length??
This piece in particular has had strength problems in othe K frames here in the past. While the K frame itself looks plenty beefy, Im not to sure about this piece. "Let Vic Bloomer/SST340 show you some pics" Broken, from another unit.
I think its fine to be inquisitive of a new product. Especially of a product as important as a K Frame that does so much with front steering geometry and control.
Please excuse those who have experienced Nitemares and failures in the past with aftermarket K frames.
Dont expect people too Swoon over a New piece, Allow them to be inquisitive and cautious.
As I stated earlier, I appreciate All new products that someone is willing to take the time and expense to bring to the Mopar crowd.
Bring it on! And Tory, Thanks for asking, Check it out!! mike
He also stated he appreciates All the comments good or bad. Remember He said K Member Check it out!!Well, as requested after checking it out the best I can through pics only.
Id say it looks pretty beefy. I like all the extra angles of reinforcement. In fact it may be more heavy duty then needed. This K Member actually looks more complicated to build then some of the others out there.
On the Whole K frame from the pics, the only thing that jumps out at me is the steering arm/balljoint combo.
It may be fine, but I cant tell how the steering arm is attached to the Ball joint portion of the tube. Is it welded to the End or does it run the Whole length??
This piece in particular has had strength problems in othe K frames here in the past. While the K frame itself looks plenty beefy, Im not to sure about this piece. "Let Vic Bloomer/SST340 show you some pics" Broken, from another unit.
I think its fine to be inquisitive of a new product. Especially of a product as important as a K Frame that does so much with front steering geometry and control.
Please excuse those who have experienced Nitemares and failures in the past with aftermarket K frames.
Dont expect people too Swoon over a New piece, Allow them to be inquisitive and cautious.
As I stated earlier, I appreciate All new products that someone is willing to take the time and expense to bring to the Mopar crowd.
Bring it on! And Tory, Thanks for asking, Check it out!!
mike
Posted By: daron
Re: K MEMBER - 12/31/10 04:12 AM
cant wait to get mine [ hint hint hint] tshell lol
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 12/31/10 04:22 AM
Quote:
cant wait to get mine [ hint hint hint] tshell lol
Right after me! lol
Posted By: daron
Re: K MEMBER - 12/31/10 08:11 PM
naw i am special lol
Posted By: wicked
Re: K MEMBER - 12/31/10 11:05 PM
Have to agree on the ackerman issue, and to me just looks like alot of the welding is undercut. Ie: the plates welded to the control arms, the reinforcing tubes welded to the main crossmember
Posted By: DemonDust
Re: K MEMBER - 12/31/10 11:12 PM
Quote:
Have to agree on the ackerman issue, and to me just looks like alot of the welding is undercut. Ie: the plates welded to the control arms, the reinforcing tubes welded to the main crossmember
I wouldn't say undercut... Looks like not enough fill or should put in a smaller weld that doesn't burn the edge. At least from what I can see on the blurry pics...
Otherwise looks decent to me..
Posted By: wicked
Re: K MEMBER - 12/31/10 11:25 PM
Quote:Quote:
Have to agree on the ackerman issue, and to me just looks like alot of the welding is undercut. Ie: the plates welded to the control arms, the reinforcing tubes welded to the main crossmember
I wouldn't say undercut... Looks like not enough fill or should put in a smaller weld that doesn't burn the edge. At least from what I can see on the blurry pics...
Otherwise looks decent to me..
Yes, more fill, appears he only has half the thickness of the material welded
Posted By: Kiddart
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 05:22 AM
COST????? anyone or website to go look at it better
Posted By: Sport440
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 11:27 AM
W9/Jason, after further study, of pics 3,4,and 5., they show some serious weld weakness issues, IMO
Focus on pic #5
This K Frame does have potential though.
But not as shown, IF the pics are correct. mike
Focus on pic #5
This K Frame does have potential though.
But not as shown, IF the pics are correct. mike
Posted By: moparniac
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 11:38 AM
does anyone have a link(video) that you guys talk about to bobs k member in action?
Posted By: 340RICK
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 02:59 PM
Is this the same " Tory " that did front end work on Brett Millers 65 dart 
Posted By: TShell
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 03:21 PM
Yep, same Tory! I was working on his 65, had same shake issues as Bob when he started. Kept working at it, made alot of changes/progress with it. Went through all the same problems, ackerman, backup, wheels would tow in and shake
at 100 mph. The new piece I had at 140 mph, no shake, 3.5 caster, handles well. Still working to improve everything.
at 100 mph. The new piece I had at 140 mph, no shake, 3.5 caster, handles well. Still working to improve everything.
Posted By: kotacars
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 03:29 PM
you could say the same thing about bobs stuff makes a good product but the welding sucks
Posted By: moparniac
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 03:50 PM
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you could say the same thing about bobs stuff makes a good product but the welding sucks
bobs kit has crap weld jobs?
Posted By: kdhull
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 03:57 PM
I will have to respectfully disagree with that statement.I have 2 here and they are top quality.
Posted By: DemonDust
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 04:54 PM
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you could say the same thing about bobs stuff makes a good product but the welding sucks
bobs kit has crap weld jobs?
I'd like to see this, I can't believe that statement is true.....
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 05:28 PM
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you could say the same thing about bobs stuff makes a good product but the welding sucks
bobs kit has crap weld jobs?
I'd like to see this, I can't believe that statement is true.....
It isnt... I've seen Bobs welds
Posted By: chryco
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 05:52 PM
Older (1st gen.) Mag Force front end in mine . Had a little trouble at first, but they made it right.
I pedaled the car to a 9.75 @134 MPH and change.
She ran straight and true , not a whimper.
Chryco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmLj-Z44mo
I pedaled the car to a 9.75 @134 MPH and change.
She ran straight and true , not a whimper.
Chryco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmLj-Z44mo
Posted By: @#$%&*!
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 07:45 PM
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Yes, more fill, appears he only has half the thickness of the material welded
To be honest, that's the first thing I noticed from the close-up pictures but I didn't say anything. This is very common, I've seen it in aftermarket control arms, k-frames, and roll bars and cages. For structural components such as these the welds need to be engineered in material and geometry just like anything else. This simply means that the weld material and thickness need to be chosen to handle the loads and stresses they are, or might be, exposed to.
In these days of the internet you have to provide good (and pretty) pictures of your product to gain market acceptance. This need for prettiness hasn't necessarily been good for quality. I strongly encourage anyone thinking of making this kind of product to pick up a basic Mechanical Engineering text with a section on weld design and read that section until you understand it. I know, that's not gonna happen.
Posted By: kotacars
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 07:45 PM
well I guess my standards are higher then most being I have been working in the aero space industry for more then 25 years
Posted By: wicked
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 08:24 PM
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Just curious, how do you guys know that this product is not of quality? How do you know that this company didn't do adequate R&D? You don't right? I understand your loyalty to the company you purchased your product from, but don't talk out of line about another company you know nothing about.
Us as Mopar enthusiast should welcome options as we are always behind the times and production with it comes after market product options.
Jason
What is this company's name?
Posted By: wicked
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 09:00 PM
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If I were in the market for such a K (any maker's K, for that matter...), I'd be asking the following questions...
What material is it made from and how was it welded?
Have the caster, camber and toe provisions been accounted for so as to make them adjustable within a range where they would suit their purpose?
Is this a drag-car only piece or can it withstand street duty?
Was any sort of software used when designing the piece to insure no weird toe changes, bump steer issues, detrimental caster/camber changes, ackerman issues, etc? Have these values been plotted thru the range of suspension travel and are they available for the buyer to see?
What aftermarket /non-stock pieces are required to complete the suspension?
What modifications to the stock frame rails, etc. are needed to install the piece?
Many of these questions have been unanswered as well.
Cro-moly tubing? Dom ? or you using pipe from Lowe's?
Posted By: theman440
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 09:25 PM
Quote:PLEASE put a cotter pin in that lower joint!
again
Posted By: wicked
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 09:41 PM
saw that also
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 09:44 PM
Not to be a ____ but besides the no cotterpin I hate it when people use aluminum fitting's on brakes systems. Can we change them to steel please.
Posted By: wicked
Re: K MEMBER - 01/01/11 09:59 PM
Is that steering arm machined with the correct taper for the ball joint? just asking.
Posted By: 8secDart
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 05:57 AM
I got an idea.With all the experts on here in welding,structual engineering and all around know it all's.Why is there only a hand full of frontend kits out there.
Because most can't change the plugs in there car but can tell you all about it on the computer.
I have no dog in this fight but you guys are A$$hole's.PM the guy with you thoughts and or ideas.
Or better build something to prove you know WTH your talking about.
Flame on I could care less what the Mayor's have to say,
Thanks Lenny
Because most can't change the plugs in there car but can tell you all about it on the computer.
I have no dog in this fight but you guys are A$$hole's.PM the guy with you thoughts and or ideas.
Or better build something to prove you know WTH your talking about.
Flame on I could care less what the Mayor's have to say,
Thanks Lenny
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 07:09 AM
Quote:
I got an idea.With all the experts on here in welding,structual engineering and all around know it all's.Why is there only a hand full of frontend kits out there.
Because most can't change the plugs in there car but can tell you all about it on the computer.
I have no dog in this fight but you guys are A$$hole's.PM the guy with you thoughts and or ideas.
Or better build something to prove you know WTH your talking about.
Flame on I could care less what the Mayor's have to say,
Thanks Lenny
Posted By: prochargedhemi
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 07:34 AM
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I got an idea.With all the experts on here in welding,structual engineering and all around know it all's.Why is there only a hand full of frontend kits out there.
Because most can't change the plugs in there car but can tell you all about it on the computer.
I have no dog in this fight but you guys are A$$hole's.PM the guy with you thoughts and or ideas.
Or better build something to prove you know WTH your talking about.
Flame on I could care less what the Mayor's have to say,
Thanks Lenny
couldn't agree more. everyone on here cries about how expensive aftermarket parts are but when someone comes out with something new they want to bash away. supply and demand dictate prices. high demand, low supply = higher prices
Posted By: DemonDust
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 07:35 AM
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I got an idea.With all the experts on here in welding,structual engineering and all around know it all's.Why is there only a hand full of frontend kits out there.
Because most can't change the plugs in there car but can tell you all about it on the computer.
I have no dog in this fight but you guys are A$$hole's.PM the guy with you thoughts and or ideas.
Or better build something to prove you know WTH your talking about.
Flame on I could care less what the Mayor's have to say,
Thanks Lenny
I was just stating facts that I could see in the sub par pics. I never said they were poor welds. As per AWS specs D1.1(which doesn't apply to steel under .125 thick) required weld size is 90% of the thickness of the thinnest mating material. I'm pretty sure he's got that. I was simply correcting the guy that said the welds were undercut.
By the way I can change my own plugs thank you
Posted By: Sport440
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 07:44 AM
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I got an idea.With all the experts on here in welding,structual engineering and all around know it all's.Why is there only a hand full of frontend kits out there.
Because most can't change the plugs in there car but can tell you all about it on the computer.
I have no dog in this fight but you guys are A$$hole's.PM the guy with you thoughts and or ideas.
Or better build something to prove you know WTH your talking about.
Flame on I could care less what the Mayor's have to say,
Thanks Lenny
I got a idea!, If your going to post a thread.
Check out this K Frame!!!
How about Sticking around to respond to some inquiries about it.
Bob, ProFab didnt have a problem with it!
Most of the questions were legit, if you cant come answer any of them, then why would Anyone want to buy one of these K frames. Think about it!!
mike
Posted By: Sport440
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 07:47 AM
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Check out this K Member.
Can we really, !! You mean like just look at it or ask Questions too.
See what I mean, mike
Posted By: moparniac
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 12:21 PM
someone had this thread on another site and it had the moparts link to it so I bumped it back up! wish I wouldnt have!
however someone mentioned about a video of bobs kmember in action... anyone got a link to that!
however someone mentioned about a video of bobs kmember in action... anyone got a link to that!
Posted By: TShell
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 02:25 PM
Good Morning!!! First of all I didn't go anywhere, been here the whole time watching these threads and the nonsense being said. I'll address any questions you have, I'm not afraid, I wouldn't have put this on if I was.
I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel OR build a Chrysler front end! I simply took the after market technology on the Ford spindel & the after market GM spindel and applied it to my build. Let's face it, we never hear the Ford/Chevy guys having any problems with shake and back-up issues....do we?? So I just took something that worked and applied it to what I was building. I thought this would all be common sense, but you know what they say about common sense...it's not so COMMON! When was the last time you opened a coil over shock/ladder bar, that read MOPAR ONLY...just saying. If you have an A.R.T catalog, there is a A-Arm Front End assembly in there, that I based mine on and found to be pretty simple. They got the ackerman right, so if they're wrong, I'm wrong.
And yes, I did put this on asking for questions/comments, didn't put it out to sell, maybe some of you are confused there. Maybe if I spent more time on these forums talking about building a K Member instead of doing it, I would understand all these threads. Guess that's where I'm different, the talkers will just talk and the do-er's will just DO!!!
I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel OR build a Chrysler front end! I simply took the after market technology on the Ford spindel & the after market GM spindel and applied it to my build. Let's face it, we never hear the Ford/Chevy guys having any problems with shake and back-up issues....do we?? So I just took something that worked and applied it to what I was building. I thought this would all be common sense, but you know what they say about common sense...it's not so COMMON! When was the last time you opened a coil over shock/ladder bar, that read MOPAR ONLY...just saying. If you have an A.R.T catalog, there is a A-Arm Front End assembly in there, that I based mine on and found to be pretty simple. They got the ackerman right, so if they're wrong, I'm wrong.
And yes, I did put this on asking for questions/comments, didn't put it out to sell, maybe some of you are confused there. Maybe if I spent more time on these forums talking about building a K Member instead of doing it, I would understand all these threads. Guess that's where I'm different, the talkers will just talk and the do-er's will just DO!!!
Posted By: wicked
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 03:40 PM
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Working on pricing.
uh-huh
Posted By: earthmover
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 03:42 PM
This place is just like a high school you gotta hang out with the cool kids to fit. If not your gonna get flamed, and its so sad that its like that. Some post stuff not about racing and its moved some do it and it stay your not in that cool kid circle. I respect all and all there help on my crazy ??? But when it comes down to it if you don't follow the (as lenny put it mayors) you can't do this or that. Nobody is here to under mind bob,rms,aje,or any of the others this guy is just trying to make something a little less cost wise for those that would like it.those others didn't have a perfect k on the very first try.but everybody thinks or act as if the op should be diff. And be perfect 1s time out. Also its guys here that has build there own for there car and if post (I'm sure they did ) pic it was fine cause it wasn't for sell(or would be) for sell.and its ok to support moparts members but its more then 1. So now I guess its time for my 
before I get a 
started mike. By the way keep at it tshell
before I get a started mike. By the way keep at it tshell
Posted By: wicked
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 05:07 PM
If you make one for your own car great, the only person to be held liable is you, if you make one for some else's the only person that can be held liable, well, is still you. It has been asked if this is race only piece, but not answered. Several other questions have been asked about construction have not been answered as well. I believe I asked and (others as well) legitimate questions that anyone thinking about one of these, or any other unit would ask.
We're all A$$holes when it comes to money, if you want to be part of a consumer test bed have at it
We're all A$$holes when it comes to money, if you want to be part of a consumer test bed have at it
Posted By: DemonDust
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 05:40 PM
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Good Morning!!! First of all I didn't go anywhere, been here the whole time watching these threads and the nonsense being said. I'll address any questions you have, I'm not afraid, I wouldn't have put this on if I was.
And yes, I did put this on asking for questions/comments, didn't put it out to sell, maybe some of you are confused there. Maybe if I spent more time on these forums talking about building a K Member instead of doing it, I would understand all these threads. Guess that's where I'm different, the talkers will just talk and the do-er's will just DO!!!
Ok that being said, there are a bunch of guys that are showing interest and asking questions. Yet you post the above post just BS'ing around the actual questions the guys are asking. Typical salesman.
You say you didn't put it out to sell???
Earlier you say the company is
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STR-Small Time Racing. Have this in my own personal car, went 9.60's at 140 mph.
And then you say this
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The K Member with rack is 27 pounds total, you use your stock spindels, keeping your own brake system. Working on pricing.
Sounds like you're looking to market this. If that's the case, there are a ton of questions guys are asking that you aren't answering. What is so hard about answering the questions? You say you're here watching the thread
I built my own K frame and learned alot on the way. I'd like to hear answers as well just to know and see how you arrived at your point. I've been 114 mph in the 660 with no issues. But I do have some small ackerman issues, but really doesn't bother me cause it's a drag car.
Oh by the way our 660 is on glare ice
Posted By: wicked
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 06:31 PM
And yes, I did put this on asking for questions/comments, didn't put it out to sell, maybe some of you are confused there. Maybe if I spent more time on these forums talking about building a K Member instead of doing it, I would understand all these threads. Guess that's where I'm different, the talkers will just talk and the do-er's will just DO!!!
You're absolutely right, those that do, "do", those that don't, buy other peoples products.
Most like to make informed decisions. Guess most people just different like that. Hard to do when you won't provide any infomation.
You're absolutely right, those that do, "do", those that don't, buy other peoples products.
Most like to make informed decisions. Guess most people just different like that. Hard to do when you won't provide any infomation.
Posted By: sunroofgtx
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 07:23 PM
I love my Bob's. It is nice to see other guys using Capitalism, and making things on their own. More the merrier.
Posted By: slantzilla
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 08:05 PM
My experience with the tube K-frame issue is this: There's 1000 ways to build a K-frame and rack setup, but there are only so many ways to do it correctly.
These guys are asking a whole bunch of tough questions because this comes up 2 or 3 times a year when someone comes up with the latest, greatest idea. You don't want to answer that's fine, but getting hostile will gaurantee that you will not sell many kits.
Trust me, pretty welds and nice powder coating don't mean the thing will not kill you once it's put in the car. I've got a $3K POS laying in my shop that I may never be able to get to work correctly.
These guys are asking a whole bunch of tough questions because this comes up 2 or 3 times a year when someone comes up with the latest, greatest idea. You don't want to answer that's fine, but getting hostile will gaurantee that you will not sell many kits.
Trust me, pretty welds and nice powder coating don't mean the thing will not kill you once it's put in the car. I've got a $3K POS laying in my shop that I may never be able to get to work correctly.
Posted By: Super Scamp
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 08:11 PM
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Good Morning!!! First of all I didn't go anywhere, been here the whole time watching these threads and the nonsense being said. I'll address any questions you have, I'm not afraid, I wouldn't have put this on if I was.
I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel OR build a Chrysler front end! I simply took the after market technology on the Ford spindel & the after market GM spindel and applied it to my build. Let's face it, we never hear the Ford/Chevy guys having any problems with shake and back-up issues....do we?? So I just took something that worked and applied it to what I was building. I thought this would all be common sense, but you know what they say about common sense...it's not so COMMON! When was the last time you opened a coil over shock/ladder bar, that read MOPAR ONLY...just saying. If you have an A.R.T catalog, there is a A-Arm Front End assembly in there, that I based mine on and found to be pretty simple. They got the ackerman right, so if they're wrong, I'm wrong.
And yes, I did put this on asking for questions/comments, didn't put it out to sell, maybe some of you are confused there. Maybe if I spent more time on these forums talking about building a K Member instead of doing it, I would understand all these threads. Guess that's where I'm different, the talkers will just talk and the do-er's will just DO!!!
Well put!! As I said earlyer in this post.
Glad to see someone trying to slove the Great Mopar Mystery. 
Yes I'm looking to buy a complete front end soon. 
Without trying to break the bank. Yes I have built most of my car with the help of my fellow Mopar family, but with out guys like Bobs Fab Shop and others we all would be trying to install something under our cars. Hats of to all those that are trying to give us something to install that works.. Keep up the hard work...
As far as being a part in the Click!! thats True !!!Lucky that Mopar Mafia Racing we don't care about clicks, We keep the smack down controll at the track...
Posted By: Sport440
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 11:27 PM
Tory, Also as I have stated earlier, I think its great another Mopar guy is trying to help provide parts to the mopar crowd
But if its just another K frame with the same old Bumpsteer and Akerman problems as some others in the past, its just a shiny piece of rigging thats not worth two dead flys.
Before I would Buy ANY K frame Id want to make sure those issues were figured out.
I asked a simple question about the appearence of incorrect ackerman. Your answers dont give me much confidence, Your answers were
1. The ackerman seems fine.
2. I copied it from a A arm assembly from the A.R.T. catalog. And its right. If mines wrong thiers is wrong.
No offense meant, but the above answers just mean you dont know.
If the first pic of the steering arm/ball joint piece is Correct/Current then I can tell you without a Doubt sitting here in my chair that your Ackerman is not only incorrect , its Reversed.
If it means anything to you, it took me about 5 years making adjustments to really figure out ackermann. I knew what it was but didnt know how to adjust it.
As anyone whos done it can attest, building a k frame rack steer setup is a education in bump steer and ackerman. Lets not forget steering inclination axis.
If your going to try and market a K frame you really should be able to answer questions like how much bump steer it has in fraction" and the amount ackerman it has in degrees if need be.
The answer, It seems fine!!, doesnt cut it for Me That might be fine enough for others.
I am really sorry if the above seems harsh, I dont mean it to be. But things like Bump steer and Ackerman Really, Really need to be addressed and asked about.
Anyways, keep up the Build, mike
But if its just another K frame with the same old Bumpsteer and Akerman problems as some others in the past, its just a shiny piece of rigging thats not worth two dead flys.
Before I would Buy ANY K frame Id want to make sure those issues were figured out.
I asked a simple question about the appearence of incorrect ackerman. Your answers dont give me much confidence, Your answers were
1. The ackerman seems fine.
2. I copied it from a A arm assembly from the A.R.T. catalog. And its right. If mines wrong thiers is wrong.
No offense meant, but the above answers just mean you dont know.
If the first pic of the steering arm/ball joint piece is Correct/Current then I can tell you without a Doubt sitting here in my chair that your Ackerman is not only incorrect , its Reversed.
If it means anything to you, it took me about 5 years making adjustments to really figure out ackermann. I knew what it was but didnt know how to adjust it.
As anyone whos done it can attest, building a k frame rack steer setup is a education in bump steer and ackerman. Lets not forget steering inclination axis.
If your going to try and market a K frame you really should be able to answer questions like how much bump steer it has in fraction" and the amount ackerman it has in degrees if need be.
The answer, It seems fine!!, doesnt cut it for Me
That might be fine enough for others.I am really sorry if the above seems harsh, I dont mean it to be. But things like Bump steer and Ackerman Really, Really need to be addressed and asked about.
Anyways, keep up the Build, mike
Posted By: moparniac
Re: K MEMBER - 01/02/11 11:42 PM
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2. I copied it from a A arm assembly from the A.R.T. catalog . And its right. If mines wrong thiers is wrong.
doesnt that usually start fights around here!
Posted By: PUNK
Re: K MEMBER - 01/03/11 12:45 AM
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I got an idea.With all the experts on here in welding,structual engineering and all around know it all's.Why is there only a hand full of frontend kits out there.
Because most can't change the plugs in there car but can tell you all about it on the computer.
I have no dog in this fight but you guys are A$$hole's.PM the guy with you thoughts and or ideas.
Or better build something to prove you know WTH your talking about.
Flame on I could care less what the Mayor's have to say,
Thanks Lenny
WELL SAID!!
Posted By: wicked
Re: K MEMBER - 01/03/11 01:04 AM
The ackerman seems fine.
I copied it from a A arm assembly from the A.R.T. catalog. And its right. If mines wrong thiers is wrong.
Seems indicative of the level of engineering and R&D that has gone into this product
I copied it from a A arm assembly from the A.R.T. catalog. And its right. If mines wrong thiers is wrong.
Seems indicative of the level of engineering and R&D that has gone into this product
Posted By: 8secDart
Re: K MEMBER - 01/03/11 01:17 AM
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The ackerman seems fine.
I copied it from a A arm assembly from the A.R.T. catalog. And its right. If mines wrong thiers is wrong.
Seems indicative of the level of engineering and R&D that has gone into this product
Where is your front end package.Man you have 47 post and half are ragging this poor guy.You are proveing my first post so true.I can see your going to fit in on Moparts just fine.
Just because the guy can't write a book on frontends does't mean his frontend is junk.He said it has worked great.If you like it call him,If not go pick on somethig else.
Posted By: W5DART66
Re: K MEMBER - 01/03/11 01:48 AM
Video of the car.
Posted By: S/ST 3040
Re: K MEMBER - 01/03/11 02:18 AM
I just opened this post for the first time. I noticed my name was mentioned
several pages back and here is a link to what Mike was talking about.
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...&PHPSESSID=
Tory, glad to see you back. Brett told me about your new front ends.
Good luck with it.
several pages back and here is a link to what Mike was talking about.
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...&PHPSESSID=
Tory, glad to see you back. Brett told me about your new front ends.
Good luck with it.
Posted By: moparniac
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 01:04 AM
Posted By: 80arrow
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 01:24 AM
another poor guy to get drug through the dirt Lets see how he fairs 
Lets see how he fairs
Posted By: W5Duster436
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 01:47 AM
Posted By: bdaz smblk
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 02:00 AM
Why is it that Tory comes on here to post pics and get your opinions on his k frame.And you guy's have to post about everyone elses.Tory does one heck of a job and don't only work on mopars.He helps with Ann and Steve Erbs sweet 10.5 all motor 8 second amx,and a 10.5 7 second camaro.Good luck Tory and Sean your dart looks good.Kenny
Posted By: Lee
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 02:17 AM
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Yep, same Tory! I was working on his 65, had same shake issues as Bob when he started. Kept working at it, made alot of changes/progress with it. Went through all the same problems, ackerman, backup, wheels would tow in and shake
at 100 mph. The new piece I had at 140 mph, no shake, 3.5 caster, handles well. Still working to improve everything.
Anybody want to share how to get rid of the shake?
Still working on mine.......
Lee
Posted By: ProSport
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 03:17 AM
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Video of the car.
I watched it 3 times just to listen to that sweet sounding Dart, but the camera man had too much coffee or something LOL. Looks like a nice K-member, keep at it.
And whoever said Bondo Bob puts out a bad weld has never ever seen his welding.
Posted By: @#$%&*!
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 03:21 AM
The factory rear-steer system has the tie rod ends inboard of lower ball joints, this is how the correct Ackerman angle is generated. If you install a front steer system with the tie rod ends inboard of the lower ball joints you get the Ackerman angle disaster that people are talking about. It seems this is a right of passage for those who don't think it out ahead of time.
On related topic, have you ever noticed how on A-bodies the camber goes negative when the front end lifts? This is because the lower control arms are so much longer than the uppers. Using the Musty II steering knuckle requires an even shorter upper control arm. It sure does make it easy to buy off the shelf parts out of a catalog though. Eliminating the torsion bars allows a shorter lower control arm if someone is willing to look into that. A shorter lower control arm also makes it possible to decrease the wheel rate of the coil spring. This will make it easier to fit a drag race spring rate on a 10" shock in the space available.
Pretty things are for little girls, I want my stuff to work.
On related topic, have you ever noticed how on A-bodies the camber goes negative when the front end lifts? This is because the lower control arms are so much longer than the uppers. Using the Musty II steering knuckle requires an even shorter upper control arm. It sure does make it easy to buy off the shelf parts out of a catalog though. Eliminating the torsion bars allows a shorter lower control arm if someone is willing to look into that. A shorter lower control arm also makes it possible to decrease the wheel rate of the coil spring. This will make it easier to fit a drag race spring rate on a 10" shock in the space available.
Pretty things are for little girls, I want my stuff to work.
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 03:34 AM
Ok guys I received some pictures from Tory today...These are of two cars that are in his garage with after market K frames and spindles. One is of a "GM" the other is a "Phord". These show the same exact style of geometry that Troy incorporated in his K frame for our cars. He thought outside the box and didn't try and fix the Ackerman, reverse, bump steer issues that others have run into while making their own Mopar based units.
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 03:41 AM
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Posted By: Sport440
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 04:12 AM
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He thought outside the box and didn't try and fix the Ackerman, reverse, bump steer issues that others have run into while making their own Mopar based units.
Really??, Thats not what Tory states!
Jason, You need to stop posting in Torys behalf, Your only hurting his credibility IMO.
This thread could use 23 more posts of his vs 23 of yours. No offense intended,
Posted By: Sport440
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 04:14 AM
Quote:Quote:
Went through all the same problems, ackerman, backup, wheels would tow in and shake
at 100 mph.
From Tory , himself
Posted By: DemonDust
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 04:16 AM
How about a pic from the top side straight down so we can see the LBJ in relation to the steering arm heim...
All these pics straight on show nothing......
All these pics straight on show nothing......
Posted By: DemonDust
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 04:19 AM
Quote:
He thought outside the box and didn't try and fix the Ackerman, reverse, bump steer issues that others have run into while making their own Mopar based units.
Why wouldn't you correct bump steer? That would be dumbest thing not to correct.
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 04:24 AM
Quote:Quote:
He thought outside the box and didn't try and fix the Ackerman, reverse, bump steer issues that others have run into while making their own Mopar based units.
Really??, Thats not what Tory states!
Jason, You need to stop posting in Torys behalf, Your only hurting his credibility IMO.
This thread could use 23 more posts of his vs 23 of yours. No offense intended,
Yeah.. I'll keep that in mind thanks for the wise words key board commando!
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 04:28 AM
Why would he waste his time correcting or reinventing the wheel when he can just copy and use what he knows works in the GM and Phord products?
Posted By: DemonDust
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 04:38 AM
To my knowledge GM and Ford have front steering for a long time. The pinto for example since 1971, that I know of. They don't have bump steer or ackerman issues.
Why would he waste time fixing bump steer??????
Really?? you're asking that question... Obviously you've never driven a car with bump steer. It's scary and with any amount of horsepower, you can be sure you'll see the wall......
If he hasn't fixed it he should just to save his A$$ from a lawsuit.....
Why would he waste time fixing bump steer??????
Really?? you're asking that question... Obviously you've never driven a car with bump steer. It's scary and with any amount of horsepower, you can be sure you'll see the wall......
If he hasn't fixed it he should just to save his A$$ from a lawsuit.....
Posted By: bigtimeauto
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 04:41 AM
Quote:
Why would he waste his time correcting or reinventing the wheel when he can just copy and use what he knows works in the GM and Phord products?
I tried not to get into this but this statement is just wrong. The GM and Ford does not have the same mounting points for the control arm heights, It does not have the same control arm lengths, the mounting points are wider or narrower, the rack height is different..... If you are going to market a product PLEASE do not say he copied anything to come up with *his* design. like someone else posted he started the thread and now HE needs to answer the questions put out there.
Posted By: Sport440
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 04:46 AM
Quote:
Why would he waste his time correcting or reinventing the wheel when he can just copy and use what he knows works in the GM and Phord products?
He did make adjustments, He stated he did. As does Anybody who makes one of these things has to.
Believe it or not , Im for the guy! Id Like to see him Succeed with a Great Product.
I dont understand this Sharade deal thats going on, IMO between you and him. Your like a pawn.
Like I said I think your hurting, him.
Tory, and Tory only! I like your efforts on the K build. Keep it up! Your car sounds great, and love it. I too played it several times for enjoyment
mike
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 05:01 AM
Sorry guys I wish I could answer more questions effectively. I'm sure Tory will post up if I misconstrued something.
Posted By: wicked
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 07:09 AM
Jeez, not even any support before the sale
Posted By: wicked
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 08:16 AM
I'm sorry too W9, You seem to have a bit more info than the rest of us. What did it take to get this little bit of additional info? What unlocked the secret? Did it take a CC# to gain access?
It's hard when you put your money down, you want to believe.
You're still hoping the front end you get is everthing he said it would be,and i'm hopeing it's everything it should be, for your sake
It's hard when you put your money down, you want to believe.
You're still hoping the front end you get is everthing he said it would be,and i'm hopeing it's everything it should be, for your sake
Posted By: W9 Dart
Re: K MEMBER - 01/04/11 04:07 PM
Sorry Wicked, no monies exchanged yet. 
It's real easy to get in contact with Tory, his Email is on his profile. Wicked didn't you make a K frame? I'd like to see pictures of it a compare them with others. Was it for a Street or Strip car? Any issues?
Jason
It's real easy to get in contact with Tory, his Email is on his profile. Wicked didn't you make a K frame? I'd like to see pictures of it a compare them with others. Was it for a Street or Strip car? Any issues?Jason
Posted By: larry890
Re: K MEMBER - 01/05/11 09:14 PM
Hey Lee, I thought you got your front end all figured out? I am still having some brake shake myself. I put a better hold down for the rack on the pass side and made chromemoly control arms for the cracking problem, but still a little shake. It is better though.
Posted By: earthmover
Re: K MEMBER - 01/05/11 09:18 PM
ok now who is lee lol just 1 more guy in the i guess lol
lol just 1 more guy in the i guess lol
Posted By: Lee
Re: K MEMBER - 01/05/11 09:34 PM
I'm Lee
I have a Duster with an LRT K frame, been on the car since 2005. Have been working with LRT to get rid of the brake shake. Have tried several different things with limited sucess. The car gets raced alot, almost 200 passes last year. Was just asking what other guys did to eliminate the brake shake. I would like to keep the torsion bars, thats why I am trying to fix the LRT K-frame instead of buying another one.
Lee
I have a Duster with an LRT K frame, been on the car since 2005. Have been working with LRT to get rid of the brake shake. Have tried several different things with limited sucess. The car gets raced alot, almost 200 passes last year. Was just asking what other guys did to eliminate the brake shake. I would like to keep the torsion bars, thats why I am trying to fix the LRT K-frame instead of buying another one.
Lee
Posted By: earthmover
Re: K MEMBER - 01/05/11 09:51 PM
Cool I thought there was someone else that was going to get the 
hope you get it worked out
hope you get it worked out
Posted By: wicked
Re: K MEMBER - 01/05/11 09:58 PM
W9, That's a good thing! He started a public thread to promote his product he should be willing to answer publicly.
I don't have a k-frame to market, nor do I intend to, nor do I intend to rip-off his ripped-off design.
If he wants to keep it a secret then it will end up as one
Glad to see you are doing some research though
I don't have a k-frame to market, nor do I intend to, nor do I intend to rip-off his ripped-off design.
If he wants to keep it a secret then it will end up as one
Glad to see you are doing some research though
Posted By: QWK_ENUF
Re: K MEMBER - 01/05/11 10:42 PM
homemade upper and lower moly control arms
mustang rack
pinto spindle
gm metric brakes
1/8 toe in
camber 0
caster 6 pos
anti dive 3
1 in off set
QA1 coil overs
9.89@135 best
street drives great
car seen at cc events by lots of moparts guys
but it is not a bolt in
bondo has great stuff my
Posted By: Leon441
Re: K MEMBER - 01/06/11 12:14 AM
When I first got on this thread I took it that someone new was marketing K-members. Didn't realize this was just a guy building his own.
But, otherwise my comments still stand.
Something else I would like to comment on. K-members are being built for Ford and Chevies. There are a lot of them that have trouble. Don't let the crybaby Mopar guy fool you. You know the guy that thinks everything is lovely in Bowtie and Horsie land. Just not so. They are just quite about there troubles especially when around Mopar guys. LOL
Oh, Passenger side rack mount should have nothing to do with brake shake. I have ran with the bolt out of the mount altogether and had no shake. Geometry problems cause shakes not thin tubing, bad welds, or any of the other myths about front suspensions.
But, otherwise my comments still stand.
Something else I would like to comment on. K-members are being built for Ford and Chevies. There are a lot of them that have trouble. Don't let the crybaby Mopar guy fool you. You know the guy that thinks everything is lovely in Bowtie and Horsie land. Just not so. They are just quite about there troubles especially when around Mopar guys. LOL
Oh, Passenger side rack mount should have nothing to do with brake shake. I have ran with the bolt out of the mount altogether and had no shake. Geometry problems cause shakes not thin tubing, bad welds, or any of the other myths about front suspensions.
Posted By: larry890
Re: K MEMBER - 01/06/11 07:08 PM
Yea, i'm sure your right. After all how could a loose rack or a cracked lower control arm cause a tire to shake. What was i thinking.
Posted By: StrokedW7
Re: K MEMBER - 01/06/11 07:45 PM
Tory... Will you please get off the internet and finish putting the Lenco in my Valiant? These internet jockies will never get it. This is the exact reason so many people stop posting on this site. So many people will start out their post with... "I think" or "IMO". Unless your educated on the subject - most people do not care what you think or what your opinion is. BTW - Congrats on getting your car done. Looks good. Hopefully when I come down to get my car, I can see it in action.
These internet jockies will never get it. This is the exact reason so many people stop posting on this site. So many people will start out their post with... "I think" or "IMO". Unless your educated on the subject - most people do not care what you think or what your opinion is. BTW - Congrats on getting your car done. Looks good. Hopefully when I come down to get my car, I can see it in action.
Posted By: earthmover
Re: K MEMBER - 01/06/11 08:13 PM
strokedw7
Posted By: Lee
Re: K MEMBER - 01/06/11 10:26 PM
Quote:
Tory... Will you please get off the internet and finish putting the Lenco in my Valiant?
Ya Tory.....Quite trying to help peolpe who work on their own car. These internet jockies will never get it! (Most who would be able to put a trans in their car by THEMSELVES!) I perfer to work on my own car and have a problem and am asking for info on MOPARTS, Isn't that what MOPARTS is for?
Lee
Posted By: TShell
Re: K MEMBER - 01/07/11 03:03 AM
Quote:
I'm Lee
I have a Duster with an LRT K frame, been on the car since 2005. Have been working with LRT to get rid of the brake shake. Have tried several different things with limited sucess. The car gets raced alot, almost 200 passes last year. Was just asking what other guys did to eliminate the brake shake. I would like to keep the torsion bars, thats why I am trying to fix the LRT K-frame instead of buying another one.
Lee
Hey Lee, did you ever get an answer to your brake shake question? Email me, maybe I can help?
Tory
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: K MEMBER - 10/02/11 10:07 PM
Quote:
I posted this up on forabodiesonly as well.... are you hemimark or hemidenny on there by any chance?
This is (part of) a HemiDenny K-member:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/OLDMOPAR/K-Frames/K-Frames1067.jpg
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: K MEMBER - 09/09/12 03:30 AM
Welds on a HemiDenny K-member:
Posted By: DemonDust
Re: K MEMBER - 09/09/12 06:15 AM
Granted it would probably never fail. But what's with all the burn thru and under cut everywhere? That's a perfect spot for the welds to fail. I wouldn't send a product out the door looking like that let alone take pics and post them.
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: K MEMBER - 09/09/12 01:52 PM
HemiDenny doesn't finish weld these; he designs and tacks them.
All finish welding is done by one of the two guys at Streitech HAWK
chassis who build national winning USAC midget chassis and sprint cars.
Some of the best names in the business are wheeling their iron.
Mike Streicher was the 1991 USAC National Midget Champion - the year
after Jeff Gordon was.
Maybe I better rush right over there and tell them what you think of
their welding.
http://www.theracedepot.com/product7.htm
All finish welding is done by one of the two guys at Streitech HAWK
chassis who build national winning USAC midget chassis and sprint cars.
Some of the best names in the business are wheeling their iron.
Mike Streicher was the 1991 USAC National Midget Champion - the year
after Jeff Gordon was.
Maybe I better rush right over there and tell them what you think of
their welding.
http://www.theracedepot.com/product7.htm
Posted By: mokid
Re: K MEMBER - 09/09/12 04:48 PM
I can tell you personaly about a K-Member I had installed by High Speed Welding in Chicago a few years back to make a long story short a improper made k-member and strut front end fails right off the trailer, would have wrecked my car at best and cost me thousands more to repair. If you are thinking of changing your K-Member use the one that has alot of R&D
Posted By: MRMOPAR
Re: K MEMBER - 09/09/12 05:31 PM
Quote:
HemiDenny doesn't finish weld these; he designs and tacks them.
All finish welding is done by one of the two guys at Streitech HAWK
chassis who build national winning USAC midget chassis and sprint cars.
Some of the best names in the business are wheeling their iron.
Mike Streicher was the 1991 USAC National Midget Champion - the year
after Jeff Gordon was.
Maybe I better rush right over there and tell them what you think of
their welding.
http://www.theracedepot.com/product7.htm
Posted By: DemonDust
Re: K MEMBER - 09/09/12 10:13 PM
Quote:
HemiDenny doesn't finish weld these; he designs and tacks them.
All finish welding is done by one of the two guys at Streitech HAWK
chassis who build national winning USAC midget chassis and sprint cars.
Some of the best names in the business are wheeling their iron.
Mike Streicher was the 1991 USAC National Midget Champion - the year
after Jeff Gordon was.
Maybe I better rush right over there and tell them what you think of
their welding.
http://www.theracedepot.com/product7.htm
You go right ahead and tell them. When undercut is so bad you can see it in a picture there is a problem.
I've welded on lots of jobs including nuclear facilities and those welds wouldn't pass a visual test from 5 feet away.
I've seen some amazing race cars and let me tell you, some of the welds I've seen are pretty rough. And once again I say will they fail??? Probably not, but it's the principal.
I'll tell you right now, if I bought a K-frame that showed up on my doorstep looking like that it'd be sent right back and there would be a lot of azz jacking going on.
Posted By: prochargedhemi
Re: K MEMBER - 09/09/12 10:52 PM
This thread reminds me of my daily meetings with engineers. You people (the whole mopar community) are so narrow minded, it really makes you wonder why the mopar hobby is sooooo far behind in technology. This place (moparts) is the epitome of tight asses and keyboard cowboys.
Posted By: DemonDust
Re: K MEMBER - 09/10/12 01:14 AM
So it's wrong for me to expect a quality product when I'm spending 3k and up for a front suspension system?
Sorry, if I wanted shi++y welds I'd buy shi+ from China. I guess that's why I built my own front suspension. I know I have no undercut and burn thru all over the place. You should be able to see the HAZ but should not see the metal start to shrink.
I hope this does get back to them. It will drive them to put out a quality product. This may be an amazing product, but with welds like that I wouldn't buy it.
Sorry, if I wanted shi++y welds I'd buy shi+ from China. I guess that's why I built my own front suspension. I know I have no undercut and burn thru all over the place. You should be able to see the HAZ but should not see the metal start to shrink.
I hope this does get back to them. It will drive them to put out a quality product. This may be an amazing product, but with welds like that I wouldn't buy it.
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: K MEMBER - 09/10/12 02:34 AM
I think that you may be jumping to conclusions here. That's not burn
through and shrinkage. These pieces are all slotted and tabbed and
what you're seeing are the welds on the tabs where they come through
from the other side.
Oh, and the Streichtech welders are also instructors by night at UNOH
(Lima, OH).
through and shrinkage. These pieces are all slotted and tabbed and
what you're seeing are the welds on the tabs where they come through
from the other side.
Oh, and the Streichtech welders are also instructors by night at UNOH
(Lima, OH).
Posted By: j.mcconnell
Re: K MEMBER - 09/10/12 03:23 AM
^ I was going to say the before welding pictures I had seen showed alignment tabs, which I really like on cut pieces like that. Whats Denny's contact info?
I would think water-jet/laser cut design would help drive cost down in mass production, but there will never be demand for anything other than small runs if that.
I'll be on craigslist looking for cheap ls-1 cars while you guys nit-pick......
I would think water-jet/laser cut design would help drive cost down in mass production, but there will never be demand for anything other than small runs if that.
I'll be on craigslist looking for cheap ls-1 cars while you guys nit-pick......
Posted By: DemonDust
Re: K MEMBER - 09/10/12 04:11 AM
Ok that explains a lot.
Still some undercut though, especially in that close up Pic for sure. Outside of that "looks" like a great product.
Still some undercut though, especially in that close up Pic for sure. Outside of that "looks" like a great product.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: K MEMBER - 09/10/12 06:28 AM
Quote:
I'm Lee
I have a Duster with an LRT K frame, been on the car since 2005. Have been working with LRT to get rid of the brake shake. Have tried several different things with limited sucess. The car gets raced alot, almost 200 passes last year. Was just asking what other guys did to eliminate the brake shake. I would like to keep the torsion bars, thats why I am trying to fix the LRT K-frame instead of buying another one.
Lee
Lee whats the back spacing on your wheels... I dont
know your front end but from testing and my own work
I have seen that if the wheel/tire centerline is out
past the centerline of the ball joint the braking
causes flex... the farther out it is the greater leverage
arm it has... it only shows up under braking but once
it starts it gets bad and it tears up parts
Posted By: Lee
Re: K MEMBER - 09/10/12 03:26 PM
Lee whats the back spacing on your wheels... I dont
know your front end but from testing and my own work
I have seen that if the wheel/tire centerline is out
past the centerline of the ball joint the braking
causes flex... the farther out it is the greater leverage
arm it has... it only shows up under braking but once
it starts it gets bad and it tears up parts
Hi Mike
My wheels have 2.25 inch back spacing. If you are talking about scrub angle, we have tried several different thing to help the scrub angle and it seemed to have little effect. Rob from LRT and I have been working on the brake shake problem on my car. We have fixed it. No more brake shake. I have raced my car all summer with no brake shake. We changed a couple things and eliminated the brake shake. We are now trying to get it to brake shake to find out exactly what fixed it. Sort of a A-B-A test. We have a pretty good idea, but want to be sure. We also fixed the tires toeing in when backing up problem. I just got a set of wheels with the other back spacing to try to see if that has any effect.
Lee
know your front end but from testing and my own work
I have seen that if the wheel/tire centerline is out
past the centerline of the ball joint the braking
causes flex... the farther out it is the greater leverage
arm it has... it only shows up under braking but once
it starts it gets bad and it tears up parts
Hi Mike
My wheels have 2.25 inch back spacing. If you are talking about scrub angle, we have tried several different thing to help the scrub angle and it seemed to have little effect. Rob from LRT and I have been working on the brake shake problem on my car. We have fixed it. No more brake shake. I have raced my car all summer with no brake shake. We changed a couple things and eliminated the brake shake. We are now trying to get it to brake shake to find out exactly what fixed it. Sort of a A-B-A test. We have a pretty good idea, but want to be sure. We also fixed the tires toeing in when backing up problem. I just got a set of wheels with the other back spacing to try to see if that has any effect.
Lee
Posted By: cl440
Re: K MEMBER - 09/10/12 04:34 PM
Quote:
Lee whats the back spacing on your wheels... I dont
know your front end but from testing and my own work
I have seen that if the wheel/tire centerline is out
past the centerline of the ball joint the braking
causes flex... the farther out it is the greater leverage
arm it has... it only shows up under braking but once
it starts it gets bad and it tears up parts
Hi Mike
My wheels have 2.25 inch back spacing. If you are talking about scrub angle, we have tried several different thing to help the scrub angle and it seemed to have little effect. Rob from LRT and I have been working on the brake shake problem on my car. We have fixed it. No more brake shake. I have raced my car all summer with no brake shake. We changed a couple things and eliminated the brake shake. We are now trying to get it to brake shake to find out exactly what fixed it. Sort of a A-B-A test. We have a pretty good idea, but want to be sure. We also fixed the tires toeing in when backing up problem. I just got a set of wheels with the other back spacing to try to see if that has any effect.
Lee
What corrected the toe in problem when backing up? We are having the same issue with ours.
Posted By: prochargedhemi
Re: K MEMBER - 09/10/12 06:10 PM
Quote:
So it's wrong for me to expect a quality product when I'm spending 3k and up for a front suspension system?
Sorry, if I wanted shi++y welds I'd buy shi+ from China. I guess that's why I built my own front suspension. I know I have no undercut and burn thru all over the place. You should be able to see the HAZ but should not see the metal start to shrink.
I hope this does get back to them. It will drive them to put out a quality product. This may be an amazing product, but with welds like that I wouldn't buy it.
Sounds like there are more than enough people lined up to purchase your product, especially since the welds are so much better. Id say that is a very good marketing ploy you have on your side. Id definitely like to see some of your work to critique.
Posted By: Lee
Re: K MEMBER - 09/10/12 11:40 PM
What corrected the toe in problem when backing up? We are having the same issue with ours.
To be honest we are not sure exactly what we did to correct that problem. Before I could hardly back up my car, now it will roll by itself down the slight incline in my driveway. We still have more testing to do. What front end do you have on your car?
Lee
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: K MEMBER - 09/11/12 01:25 AM
Basic solution for proper ackerman:
Draw a line from the (centered) rearend pinion through the spindle.
The outer tie rod end, front or rear steer, should be on this line.
This is why you must never, ever use stock rear steer spindles on a
front steer rack conversion.
Basic solution for bump steer:
The tie rods must be the same length, have the same pivot points as
and be parallel with the lower control arms when viewed from the
front/rear or the top/bottom. They must move in complete unbinding
concert with each other.
Draw a line from the (centered) rearend pinion through the spindle.
The outer tie rod end, front or rear steer, should be on this line.
This is why you must never, ever use stock rear steer spindles on a
front steer rack conversion.
Basic solution for bump steer:
The tie rods must be the same length, have the same pivot points as
and be parallel with the lower control arms when viewed from the
front/rear or the top/bottom. They must move in complete unbinding
concert with each other.
Posted By: rowin4
Re: K MEMBER - 09/11/12 01:53 AM
Quote:
Basic solution for proper ackerman:
Draw a line from the (centered) rearend pinion through the spindle.
The outer tie rod end, front or rear steer, should be on this line.
This is why you must never, ever use stock rear steer spindles on a
front steer rack conversion.
Need a little clarification , the line through the spindle? Do you mean center of ball joint?
Posted By: Low Deck
Re: K MEMBER - 09/11/12 02:48 AM
Yes
Posted By: cl440
Re: K MEMBER - 09/11/12 04:05 AM
Quote:
What corrected the toe in problem when backing up? We are having the same issue with ours.
To be honest we are not sure exactly what we did to correct that problem. Before I could hardly back up my car, now it will roll by itself down the slight incline in my driveway. We still have more testing to do. What front end do you have on your car?
Lee
We have a CAP unit
Posted By: DARTH V8Я
Re: K MEMBER - 04/17/16 10:47 PM
Sorry for the 4 year old bump.. But is Tory Shellhammer (TShell) still around? His work seems pretty darn nice.
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: K MEMBER - 04/18/16 12:32 AM
Originally Posted By DARTH V8R
Sorry for the 4 year old bump.. But is Tory Shellhammer (TShell) still around? His work seems pretty darn nice.
Yes he still builds front ends and does some chassis work.
Posted By: DARTH V8Я
Re: K MEMBER - 04/18/16 12:41 AM
Originally Posted By 1967dartgt
Yes he still builds front ends and does some chassis work.
Does he have a website or FB page? Thanks.
Posted By: DemonDust
Re: K MEMBER - 04/18/16 01:03 AM
Yeah look him up on FB.
Posted By: DARTH V8Я
Re: K MEMBER - 04/18/16 01:29 AM
Must be having a brain fart.. can't find him on FB at all..
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: K MEMBER - 04/18/16 01:38 AM
Posted By: clonestocker
Re: K MEMBER - 04/18/16 02:09 AM
Originally Posted By 1967dartgt
Originally Posted By DARTH V8R
Sorry for the 4 year old bump.. But is Tory Shellhammer (TShell) still around? His work seems pretty darn nice.
Yes he still builds front ends and does some chassis work.
Hey Brad, You like all the colors in my Dining Room? I should be installing the K-Frame for the last time next weekend. How's your stuff coming along?
Posted By: J_BODY
Re: K MEMBER - 04/18/16 03:29 AM
LOL!! I thought I'd seen that desert SW motif before!
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: K MEMBER - 04/18/16 03:41 AM
I just love how you have it laid out so nicely on the table. Shows everything for people to see. Mine is slow but coming along nicely, just keep adding more and more to it.
Posted By: DARTH V8Я
Re: K MEMBER - 04/18/16 03:52 AM
Found him on FB, thanks! Now just waiting for a reply.
Posted By: SpareParts
Re: K MEMBER - 04/18/16 05:17 AM
Hoping to send my money this week, sounds like mines just about ready, can't wait to install that and the new brakes.... and the new everything else
Posted By: racerx
Re: K MEMBER - 04/18/16 11:15 AM
Originally Posted By DARTH V8R
Found him on FB, thanks! Now just waiting for a reply.
Is Troy making them for your car in the sig.?(b-bodies)now or is this for something else?
Posted By: DARTH V8Я
Re: K MEMBER - 04/18/16 07:41 PM
for a B-body yah..but haven't heard back from him yet.
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: K MEMBER - 04/18/16 09:14 PM
Did pm him on Facebook? Throughly the link I posted here.
Posted By: DARTH V8Я
Re: K MEMBER - 04/18/16 09:27 PM
Originally Posted By 1967dartgt
Did pm him on Facebook? Throughly the link I posted here.
Your link didn't work. Used this one: https://www.facebook.com/tory.shellehamer same guy I hope?
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: K MEMBER - 04/19/16 02:58 AM
Yes same guy, what's your name he doesn't see a private message.
Posted By: DARTH V8Я
Re: K MEMBER - 04/19/16 11:23 PM
Pm sent to you. Nothing yet from TShell. 
Posted By: SpareParts
Re: K MEMBER - 04/20/16 05:01 AM
Give Brad and Tory a little bit. Both really good and really busy dudes but you won't be sorry
Posted By: 1967dartgt
Re: K MEMBER - 04/20/16 02:03 PM
Originally Posted By DARTH V8R
Pm sent to you. Nothing yet from TShell.
Sent you a pm.