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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: sunroofgtx]
#888307
01/02/11 04:05 PM
01/02/11 04:05 PM
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 20,179
Park Forest, IL
slantzilla
Too Many Posts
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Too Many Posts
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Posts: 20,179
Park Forest, IL
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My experience with the tube K-frame issue is this: There's 1000 ways to build a K-frame and rack setup, but there are only so many ways to do it correctly.
These guys are asking a whole bunch of tough questions because this comes up 2 or 3 times a year when someone comes up with the latest, greatest idea. You don't want to answer that's fine, but getting hostile will gaurantee that you will not sell many kits.
Trust me, pretty welds and nice powder coating don't mean the thing will not kill you once it's put in the car. I've got a $3K POS laying in my shop that I may never be able to get to work correctly.
"Everybody funny, now you funny too."
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
#888308
01/02/11 04:11 PM
01/02/11 04:11 PM
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Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 694
Michigan
Super Scamp
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mopar
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Posts: 694
Michigan
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Good Morning!!! First of all I didn't go anywhere, been here the whole time watching these threads and the nonsense being said. I'll address any questions you have, I'm not afraid, I wouldn't have put this on if I was.
I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel OR build a Chrysler front end! I simply took the after market technology on the Ford spindel & the after market GM spindel and applied it to my build. Let's face it, we never hear the Ford/Chevy guys having any problems with shake and back-up issues....do we?? So I just took something that worked and applied it to what I was building. I thought this would all be common sense, but you know what they say about common sense...it's not so COMMON! When was the last time you opened a coil over shock/ladder bar, that read MOPAR ONLY...just saying. If you have an A.R.T catalog, there is a A-Arm Front End assembly in there, that I based mine on and found to be pretty simple. They got the ackerman right, so if they're wrong, I'm wrong.
And yes, I did put this on asking for questions/comments, didn't put it out to sell, maybe some of you are confused there. Maybe if I spent more time on these forums talking about building a K Member instead of doing it, I would understand all these threads. Guess that's where I'm different, the talkers will just talk and the do-er's will just DO!!! 
Well put!! As I said earlyer in this post.  Glad to see someone trying to slove the Great Mopar Mystery.  Yes I'm looking to buy a complete front end soon.  Without trying to break the bank. Yes I have built most of my car with the help of my fellow Mopar family, but with out guys like Bobs Fab Shop and others we all would be trying to install something under our cars. Hats of to all those that are trying to give us something to install that works..
Keep up the hard work...  
As far as being a part in the Click!! thats True !!!Lucky that Mopar Mafia Racing we don't care about clicks, We keep the smack down controll at the track...
Just One Man's Opinion
Mopar Mafia Racing
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
#888309
01/02/11 07:27 PM
01/02/11 07:27 PM
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,591
Canton, Ohio
Sport440
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master
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Posts: 6,591
Canton, Ohio
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Tory, Also as I have stated earlier, I think its great another Mopar guy is trying to help provide parts to the mopar crowd But if its just another K frame with the same old Bumpsteer and Akerman problems as some others in the past, its just a shiny piece of rigging thats not worth two dead flys. Before I would Buy ANY K frame Id want to make sure those issues were figured out. I asked a simple question about the appearence of incorrect ackerman. Your answers dont give me much confidence, Your answers were 1. The ackerman seems fine. 2. I copied it from a A arm assembly from the A.R.T. catalog. And its right. If mines wrong thiers is wrong. No offense meant, but the above answers just mean you dont know. If the first pic of the steering arm/ball joint piece is Correct/Current then I can tell you without a Doubt sitting here in my chair that your Ackerman is not only incorrect , its Reversed. If it means anything to you, it took me about 5 years making adjustments to really figure out ackermann. I knew what it was but didnt know how to adjust it. As anyone whos done it can attest, building a k frame rack steer setup is a education in bump steer and ackerman. Lets not forget steering inclination axis. If your going to try and market a K frame you really should be able to answer questions like how much bump steer it has in fraction" and the amount ackerman it has in degrees if need be. The answer, It seems fine!!, doesnt cut it for Me That might be fine enough for others. I am really sorry if the above seems harsh, I dont mean it to be. But things like Bump steer and Ackerman Really, Really need to be addressed and asked about. Anyways, keep up the Build, mike 
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: Sport440]
#888312
01/02/11 09:04 PM
01/02/11 09:04 PM
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Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 394
md
wicked
enthusiast
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enthusiast
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Posts: 394
md
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The ackerman seems fine. I copied it from a A arm assembly from the A.R.T. catalog. And its right. If mines wrong thiers is wrong. Seems indicative of the level of engineering and R&D that has gone into this product
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: wicked]
#888313
01/02/11 09:17 PM
01/02/11 09:17 PM
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Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,256
Salisbury North Carolina
8secDart
pro stock
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pro stock
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,256
Salisbury North Carolina
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The ackerman seems fine.
I copied it from a A arm assembly from the A.R.T. catalog. And its right. If mines wrong thiers is wrong.
Seems indicative of the level of engineering and R&D that has gone into this product
Where is your front end package.Man you have 47 post and half are ragging this poor guy.You are proveing my first post so true.I can see your going to fit in on Moparts just fine.
Just because the guy can't write a book on frontends does't mean his frontend is junk.He said it has worked great.If you like it call him,If not go pick on somethig else.
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: 80arrow]
#888319
01/03/11 10:00 PM
01/03/11 10:00 PM
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Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 437
south central pa
bdaz smblk
mopar
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mopar
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 437
south central pa
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Why is it that Tory comes on here to post pics and get your opinions on his k frame.And you guy's have to post about everyone elses.Tory does one heck of a job and don't only work on mopars.He helps with Ann and Steve Erbs sweet 10.5 all motor 8 second amx,and a 10.5 7 second camaro.Good luck Tory and Sean your dart looks good.Kenny
3120lb, small block, 10.5" tire, NA, through exhaust, full int, WITH 83/4 REAR, 9.0 at 150mph
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: TShell]
#888320
01/03/11 10:17 PM
01/03/11 10:17 PM
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 410
Chicago
Lee
mopar
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mopar
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 410
Chicago
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Yep, same Tory! I was working on his 65, had same shake issues as Bob when he started. Kept working at it, made alot of changes/progress with it. Went through all the same problems, ackerman, backup, wheels would tow in and shake
at 100 mph. The new piece I had at 140 mph, no shake, 3.5 caster, handles well. Still working to improve everything.
Anybody want to share how to get rid of the shake?
Still working on mine.......
Lee
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: moparniac]
#888322
01/03/11 11:21 PM
01/03/11 11:21 PM
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Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,131
Thigh-Gap Junction
@#$%&*!
New user name, Same old jerk!
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New user name, Same old jerk!
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,131
Thigh-Gap Junction
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The factory rear-steer system has the tie rod ends inboard of lower ball joints, this is how the correct Ackerman angle is generated. If you install a front steer system with the tie rod ends inboard of the lower ball joints you get the Ackerman angle disaster that people are talking about. It seems this is a right of passage for those who don't think it out ahead of time. On related topic, have you ever noticed how on A-bodies the camber goes negative when the front end lifts? This is because the lower control arms are so much longer than the uppers. Using the Musty II steering knuckle requires an even shorter upper control arm. It sure does make it easy to buy off the shelf parts out of a catalog though. Eliminating the torsion bars allows a shorter lower control arm if someone is willing to look into that. A shorter lower control arm also makes it possible to decrease the wheel rate of the coil spring. This will make it easier to fit a drag race spring rate on a 10" shock in the space available. Pretty things are for little girls, I want my stuff to work. 
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Re: K MEMBER
[Re: W9 Dart]
#888325
01/04/11 12:12 AM
01/04/11 12:12 AM
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,591
Canton, Ohio
Sport440
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master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,591
Canton, Ohio
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He thought outside the box and didn't try and fix the Ackerman, reverse, bump steer issues that others have run into while making their own Mopar based units.
Really??, Thats not what Tory states! 
Jason, You need to stop posting in Torys behalf, Your only hurting his credibility IMO.
This thread could use 23 more posts of his vs 23 of yours. No offense intended,
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Lets see how he fairs 
