ok im finally at icl 103.5*,i double checked it many times it comes up icl 103.5*,what i ended up doing was moving cam gear one tooth from original dot and using the 1* cam gear advance keyway slot.i will go and check the other cam timing events now thanks to everybody that helped,i now know why my 340 from yrs ago was sluggish i never checked the icl just lined the dots up,iwould bet it was retarded,next step is to get the head work done for this 418 stroker,its been a slow project ,thanks again mike