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suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? #191551 01/12/09 04:44 PM 01/12/09 04:44 PM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 441 duluth mn. dragula426 OP mopar
dragula426 OP mopar Joined: May 2006 Posts: 441 duluth mn.	it's time to freshen and or change the combo in my 69 sat.street car. i torched a head gasket this fall and now have been thinking of changing things up a bit. the current engine is a 440 w/flat top arias pistons, bme rods, stock crank, a straightline roller(258 268 @.050), w/ edelbrocks, m-1 intake and a 850 holley. the car has a ptc 9" converter(3800 or so stall) 4.10 dana.the car has power steering, heater, radio etc. it weighs 3780w/ me in it. right now the car runs 11.80s thru exhaust n/a and 10.20's w nos. i think it's sort of a pooch on the motor and for longevity was thinking of eliminating the juice all together. i want to use the edelbrocks on another project,and have access to a set of ported 906's. so, let's hear of some combos w/ ported 906's and a more of an (old school..meaning 108 centerline)flat tappet camshaft.maybe the old 590 mopar cam? am i out of line to think that there should be a combo to run in the low to mid 11's with fairly conservative parts?? let's hear what you have. thanks 4943053-DSC01016.JPG (419 downloads) http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk261/Vanillamtrsprts/Byron%202008/298.jpg

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: dragula426] #191552 01/12/09 05:31 PM 01/12/09 05:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,260 Las Vegas NV moparmanjames pro stock
moparmanjames pro stock Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,260 Las Vegas NV	What are the specs on the cam? does it have decent headers? I would run the ported 906's with the .590 cam, throw in bigger valves, a 5000 stall converter and maybe some 1.6 rockers and a 1050 Dominator and that should get you there, it's a heavy car though so you might need more gear too.

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: moparmanjames] #191553 01/12/09 08:12 PM 01/12/09 08:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	If you fine tune your combo it should have low 11's in it now. I have run 11.50's @ almost 117 with a stock bottom end 440 other then the .030 over KB pistons. I use 906's I ported myself and the MP .557 cam and I have it at 10.0 comp. My 63 goes just over 3700 with me and the rollbar. But its a street car I drive everywhere including to the track. It has a Dynamic 9.5 street/strip converter and I use 4.30's with 29 x 11.5 Hoosier QTP tires. I see no reason that if I ever take the time for some fine tuning 11.30's could be had in my combo. You can see my full combo at this link. But honestly I would leave the Eddy's on your combo and work with it. What comp are you running now ?? Ron http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo82008.html Last edited by 383man; 01/12/09 08:16 PM.

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: 383man] #191554 01/12/09 08:37 PM 01/12/09 08:37 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 686 PA A ajcasini mopar
ajcasini mopar A Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 686 PA	I put together a pretty good combo this winter. Ran 10.90's in good air and 11.1's in the heat. I did have the edelbrock aluminum heads. Chrysler Steel Crank 6.760 Ohio Crank HBeam's .030 SRP FT 10.5 to 1 Comp Weiand Team G Intake with matched ports Comp Cam SOLID-Very strong mid and upper rpm .016 .018 2500 to 6500 23-232-428 XS282S 244 252 duration @.050 Lift .520 .540 centerline 110� Set it up at 110 centerline 1.5 ratio rockers 1 3/4 header tubes 5000 stall ATI 8" 28 x 9 x 15 slicks 4.10 gear 850 cfm Barry Grant Race Demon IMO the heads are worth .3 on the track. AJ

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: dragula426] #191555 01/12/09 08:47 PM 01/12/09 08:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard... mopar65 master
mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	I think your old engine had a lot more in it. I had a throw together cast crank 440. In a 3600 pound 65 plymouth it ran a best of 11.70. but most of the time was a 11.80-11.90 car.Sorry not trying to diss your car it looks awesome. I just think you have a lot more in your old engine. best of luck to you. Mopar65 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: ajcasini] #191556 01/12/09 08:49 PM 01/12/09 08:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,260 Las Vegas NV moparmanjames pro stock
moparmanjames pro stock Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,260 Las Vegas NV	Quote: I put together a pretty good combo this winter. Ran 10.90's in good air and 11.1's in the heat. I did have the edelbrock aluminum heads. Chrysler Steel Crank 6.760 Ohio Crank HBeam's .030 SRP FT 10.5 to 1 Comp Weiand Team G Intake with matched ports Comp Cam SOLID-Very strong mid and upper rpm .016 .018 2500 to 6500 23-232-428 XS282S 244 252 duration @.050 Lift .520 .540 centerline 110� Set it up at 110 centerline 1.5 ratio rockers 1 3/4 header tubes 5000 stall ATI 8" 28 x 9 x 15 slicks 4.10 gear 850 cfm Barry Grant Race Demon IMO the heads are worth .3 on the track. AJ how much did the car weigh, what was the elevation?

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: moparmanjames] #191557 01/12/09 08:56 PM 01/12/09 08:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 686 PA A ajcasini mopar
ajcasini mopar A Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 686 PA	Car weighs 3650 with driver and elevation is: ~1400ft. I am running open headers as well. AJ

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: ajcasini] #191558 01/12/09 09:23 PM 01/12/09 09:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,260 Las Vegas NV moparmanjames pro stock
moparmanjames pro stock Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,260 Las Vegas NV	Quote: Car weighs 3650 with driver and elevation is: ~1400ft. I am running open headers as well. AJ Thanks, nice build.

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: mopar65] #191559 01/12/09 10:28 PM 01/12/09 10:28 PM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 441 duluth mn. dragula426 OP mopar
dragula426 OP mopar Joined: May 2006 Posts: 441 duluth mn.	thanks everyone for the suggestions! I WAS WRONG..the converter flashed @ 4200. ron.... they are flat tops w/ valve reliefs so, comp ratio is ?? i do know that it will run on if i run 91 octane. mopar man...tti 2-1/8th step. i know probably too big, but they fit so good, they are staying. cam specs attached. i know there is some more to be had w/ this combo if i super tuned it, it most likely would like more gear and a looser converter, but i drive this thing everywhere rain or shine! i've driven it 2 hours away to brainerd for a test day and then back with no probs. i want to keep alot of that street ability but want to gain more power and torque thru the whole rpm range (this cam i think is limiting torque down low. what do you think??) since the engine pings/ runs on if i run straight 91 pump gas, i figure i should make it funner to drive (since i have to run race gas anyway) so, keep the combos/ideas/critiques coming! i'm all ears 4943971-DSC01040.JPG (262 downloads) http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk261/Vanillamtrsprts/Byron%202008/298.jpg

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: dragula426] #191560 01/12/09 10:42 PM 01/12/09 10:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 642 South Dakota D dakotahotrodder mopar
dakotahotrodder mopar D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 642 South Dakota	Is that a solid roller? I've got a straightline solid flat tappet cam with 248/260, .555 lift that I really like. With e-heads& flat tops (10.8:1), m1, & 950 it made 571hp & 573tq. I've gone 10.93 at 3700 lbs w/ 8" converter & 4.10's. That roller of yours sounds like something my motor would like.

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: dakotahotrodder] #191561 01/12/09 10:52 PM 01/12/09 10:52 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,698 NE Oklahoma V Von master
Von master V Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,698 NE Oklahoma	The combo in my signature is pretty close to what you describe. So far has run a best of 11.33 with a 4900 flash 8 inch converter and ran a best of 11.49 with a 4200 flash 9.5 converter. I think I can get in the 11.20s as it sits with some chassis tuning. 60s are pretty bad as my best is only a 1.6 even. Ported 452's(no clue on flow numbers), comp solid [Email]259@.050[/Email], 10.6 comp, 950 Holley, 2 inch hookers, 4.30 gears. All passes have been corked with 3 inch to Edelbrock RPM mufflers, then to 2 1/2 tailpipes. No X or H pipe either. Car weighs 3800 lbs, give or take a few. By the way it runs fine on pump 91 and the 8 inch converter is almost identical on the street to the 9.5. In fact the 8 inch is WAY tighter on the street than a 10 inch I had in the car 15 years or so ago. 72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72. Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: dragula426] #191562 01/13/09 01:51 AM 01/13/09 01:51 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Quote: thanks everyone for the suggestions! I WAS WRONG..the converter flashed @ 4200. ron.... they are flat tops w/ valve reliefs so, comp ratio is ?? i do know that it will run on if i run 91 octane. mopar man...tti 2-1/8th step. i know probably too big, but they fit so good, they are staying. cam specs attached. i know there is some more to be had w/ this combo if i super tuned it, it most likely would like more gear and a looser converter, but i drive this thing everywhere rain or shine! i've driven it 2 hours away to brainerd for a test day and then back with no probs. i want to keep alot of that street ability but want to gain more power and torque thru the whole rpm range (this cam i think is limiting torque down low. what do you think??) since the engine pings/ runs on if i run straight 91 pump gas, i figure i should make it funner to drive (since i have to run race gas anyway) so, keep the combos/ideas/critiques coming! i'm all ears Thats a bummer you have to run race gas. I built a .042 quench in my 906 headed 440 and I run on 92 pump all the time with 38 total timing. I guess mine would run fine on 91 but I never tried it. I also run mine thru the pipes but its a 3" system so it may not go faster uncapped. That race gas can get very pricey. And thats one nice Plymouth you got. Ron

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: dragula426] #191563 01/13/09 08:47 AM 01/13/09 08:47 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,996 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart master
gregsdart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,996 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	With the cost of the 440source heads, or eddys, i wouldn't put any money into crack prowen older castings unless i was going to do all the work and already had them. There is absolutely no substitute for big cubes when it comes to street and manners in the same package. My idea of the best setup is the longest stroke you can put in the motor,if you need crank work. There are 4.5 arms out there for the tall deck block. With what you have, they will make a high to mid ten second ride out of your car because they will use up all of the head flow with a stock type port window by 6000 rpm! My first big motor was a 4.5 stroke 4.350 bore 440 making 535 cubes, with ported 906 heads. Went 10.20s at 3400 lbs, cracked the heads and i lost all that expensive porting work! Nice thing about the motor was it only needed a 5700 rpm shift point with a 590 cam . I did use a 1.7 erson rocker on the heads, which worked at those low rpms just fine and helped out the cam quite a bit. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: gregsdart] #191564 01/13/09 10:47 AM 01/13/09 10:47 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 481 Cheswick, PA B Bob_Spelic mopar
Bob_Spelic mopar B Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 481 Cheswick, PA	My 446 combo: TRW 10.5:1 old school TRW 2295 forged pistons eagle 6.76 H-beams Stock steel crank Port Eddelbrocks flowing in the 290/212 76cc chamber Cam is a solid flat tappet 108 centerline 268/276 @ .050, .600 lift in at 104 M1 manifold with a 1050 dominator 2" tti headers 4.10 gear, 31x10.5W slicks Torqueflight 3750 pounds with driver Only had it out once last year. Ran a 11.44 @ 2080DA and a 11.32@ 1520DA Bob Spelic

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: dragula426] #191565 01/13/09 11:57 AM 01/13/09 11:57 AM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 150 South Carolina, United States C carolinacuda member
carolinacuda member C Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 150 South Carolina, United States	I agree with others, you shld have more in that combo you have. The combo I have in my 74 cuda is pretty mild with stock suspension and run 11.50 @ 117 mph. 446, with stock rods 30 over trw 2355 pistons W/10.5 comp. hughes solid flat tappet 252/256, 572/279 @108 victor int mghty demon 850 indy EZ's (with just a port match) Hooker 1-7/8 headers 3.91 with M/T ET.radials (275/60/15) TCI 10'stall 3500-3800 With some more suspension upgrades I feel confident it will run 11.20-30's

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: dragula426] #191566 01/13/09 01:00 PM 01/13/09 01:00 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,646 Ontario,Canada F firefighter3931 top fuel
firefighter3931 top fuel F Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,646 Ontario,Canada	Quote: tti 2-1/8th step. i know probably too big, but they fit so good, they are staying. (this cam i think is limiting torque down low. what do you think??) Yes the big step headers are hurting bottom end power & torque. The cam's lsa is too wide for a 10.5:1 440....something with a tighter 108* lsa would be much better. Randy (Lab Rat) has a very similar combo....almost identical in fact and went from a 112 lsa cam to a 108 lsa cam and picked up a couple of tenths. He stated that the midrange power was dramaticly improved and his 60 ft times reflected that. His converter also flashed up higher with the newfound bottom end power as well... Ron

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: firefighter3931] #191567 01/13/09 02:38 PM 01/13/09 02:38 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Your combo looks like it should be going faster than it is. Look at 383man's combo, he's got a great old-school combo putting down excellent numbers for a street/strip car. Nothing fancy there except for some well matched components. Maybe that cam of yours is hurting you. You say it'll diesel if you run on 91, and with all that duration that makes me wonder. You've got enough duration, but on that 112 lobe seperation you are hurting your top end/mid range.

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: ajcasini] #191568 01/13/09 04:20 PM 01/13/09 04:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,763 Walton's Mountain, Pa Steve1118 master
Steve1118 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,763 Walton's Mountain, Pa	AJ, where is that crate Hemi you had in there for a while? I thought it ran real well for what it was. If you are looking to pitch it I've got some room in my garbage can up here on the mountain... "Old age and treachery trumps youth and enthusiasm, every time!" East Central Director / Chrysler Power Magazine www.reasbeckracing.webs.com

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: Steve1118] #191569 01/13/09 05:18 PM 01/13/09 05:18 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 686 PA A ajcasini mopar
ajcasini mopar A Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 686 PA	Quote: AJ, where is that crate Hemi you had in there for a while? I thought it ran real well for what it was. If you are looking to pitch it I've got some room in my garbage can up here on the mountain... Still have the crate HEMI. It did run very well. Went fastest of 11.20 @ 119. I have it in the garage, needs a good freshen and some more cam. It will be back eventually. How have you been? AJ

Re: suggestions for a low 11 sec. b-body 440 combo ??? [Re: dragula426] #191570 01/13/09 05:54 PM 01/13/09 05:54 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,949 land of 10,000______'s B BDS871Cuda top fuel
BDS871Cuda top fuel B Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,949 land of 10,000______'s	Close to the weight of yours. My 65 Sport Fury tip the scale just over 4000 lbs. 440+ .030 steel crank, stock rods. Ross 10.5 Iron 452 casting heads with (Line Perf. porting) Ultradyne .590/.613 cam Demon 825 cfm race carb Mopar M1 MSD 727 w/turbo action RMVB /T.A. J 4500 stall Dana 60 4.88 w/ 31X18.5 QTP's 11.16 at 118 Cedar Falls Iowa Had a Holley 750 DP and Mopar dist. and chrome box at first and did a best 11.38 the old 750 with tired mopar dist was tossed for the Race Demon and MSD and did 11.16 best. I wish I would of swapped the 4.88 for 4.56's. Car ran out of breath at 1000-1100 ft. 4945557-Trump_lg.jpg (289 downloads) Snap your neck, mega G-force launch, is all I want!

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