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Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: JohnRR] #1477929
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It was ALOT more me than him. I'm the one trying to squeeze as much for as little.
Just for the record, the HS's have been ordered and in route OUCH!

Thumper dart, nice shot!
Reminds me while as a younger man watching Mr. Mike Toot and his bad ass Dart's @ Miami Hollywood International Speedway.




Which Harland sharps did you get? The ones you need are only available thru Mancini , at least they were only available thru Mancini , they are bushed on the shaft instead of full roller bearing.



From what I read, I would prefer the bushed rockers. A relatively low lift cam doesn't benefit from needle bearing. That being said (my ). I will not question my builders choice on the rockers.
Looking forward to the Dyno run-in soon!


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Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: Copper Dart] #1477930
08/11/13 02:44 PM
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I don't see any bushed Harland Sharp roller rockers on Mancini's web site for RB Mopars. Am I missing something or are they special order or something?


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Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: Copper Dart] #1477931
08/11/13 03:08 PM
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I don't know where your pushrods were hitting but I can't imagine a 5/16 rod not clearing if the rocker geometry is correct. 3/8 is a different story. If your cam was a hyd I would bet you could have run stock rockers and solved the problem.

To the guy with the pic of the Pretend-a-Comps, keep a close watch on the roller tips. I had some of those and the rollers got very sloppy on their axles very quickly. Thank God for leaky valve covers or I might have gotten a very nasty surprise.

Also make sure that the tip of the arm isn't hitting the retainer before the roller hits the valve. On my E-heads I had to trim them on a mill for clearance with the OOTB retainers.

Kevin

Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: Copper Dart] #1477932
08/11/13 04:07 PM
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I don't see any bushed Harland Sharp roller rockers on Mancini's web site for RB Mopars. Am I missing something or are they special order or something?




http://www.manciniracing.com/free_flyer/pdf/Mancini%20Spring%2013.pdf


Page 7

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Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: Twostick] #1477933
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I was told the roller to valve tip issue has be resolved using the HS's.
He didn't say anything about the Pushrod clearance so I take it that was resolved too.
I hope to hear it run soon!


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Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: Copper Dart] #1477934
08/11/13 11:22 PM
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I still cant find "Bushed" roller tip Harland Sharp rockers, only needle bearing type.


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Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: Copper Dart] #1477935
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Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: d7cook] #1477936
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I don't see any bushed Harland Sharp roller rockers on Mancini's web site for RB Mopars. Am I missing something or are they special order or something?




http://www.manciniracing.com/free_flyer/pdf/Mancini%20Spring%2013.pdf


Page 7


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Product Description
Axle Differential Case, Chrysler 8.75 in., Nodular Iron, 1.875 in. Bearing Bore, 30 Spline, Each

Yukon Gear & Axle iron third member cases are made from heavy-duty nodular iron for maximum strength. These cases are offered in performance and OEM replacement styles for a range of applications. Yukon third member cases are designed to perform and built to last!

Note: Includes billet side adjusters.



Mancinis roller rockers don't state there are bushed or needle bearing, the Hughes do state they are bushed however.

Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: Quicktree] #1477937
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WELL YOU USED TWO OF THE CHEAPEST PIECES ON THE MARKET WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?




REAL HELPFUL THERE D-BAG !!

NOT EVERYONE HAS $$$$ FOR T&D ROCKERS AND INDY HEADS !!

MY "CHEAP CHINESE" 440SOURCE PARTS ARE STILL ROCKIN ...SINCE 2007 ! BET THAT MAKES YOU A LITTLE BUTTHURT. I KNOW IT DOES.

WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST D-BAG.

Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: Skeptic] #1477938
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Page 7 on the flyer say they are bushed. I just put a set on Performer heads and they seem like good pieces for the price.


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Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: 72Swinger] #1477939
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I wouldn't hesitate to run stock rockers on a .500 lift juice cam.


I run stock rockers with a .509 cam into the low 6000s

Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: 493_DART] #1477940
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WELL YOU USED TWO OF THE CHEAPEST PIECES ON THE MARKET WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?




REAL HELPFUL THERE D-BAG !!

NOT EVERYONE HAS $$$$ FOR T&D ROCKERS AND INDY HEADS !!

MY "CHEAP CHINESE" 440SOURCE PARTS ARE STILL ROCKIN ...SINCE 2007 ! BET THAT MAKES YOU A LITTLE BUTTHURT. I KNOW IT DOES.

WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST D-BAG.


good i hope someone tells you to stick it for me

Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: Hot 340] #1477941
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I believe they can be returned.
My pockets are near empty so witch ones to choose?
Even with the refund, I believe I'll be spending another $300. +|-



You simply cannot imagine what even just one elcheapo part can do to set off an entire chain reaction of problems. That last time I helped someone with his engine he bought a few of these "bargain" parts and he ended up selling the car out of disgust. Buy good rockers.


elcheapo
considering that the parts are made in China, wouldn't the correct term be maybe ChaChingCheapo
For what its worth, my wife, that puts up with me and my obsession with my cars, is Chinese!
I Love You Baby!


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08/14/13 09:01 AM
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tic tock tic tock...............cant sleep waiting for Saturday.
Can you say DYNO!!!!!

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Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: JohnRR] #1477943
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It was ALOT more me than him. I'm the one trying to squeeze as much for as little.
Just for the record, the HS's have been ordered and in route OUCH!

Thumper dart, nice shot!
Reminds me while as a younger man watching Mr. Mike Toot and his bad ass Dart's @ Miami Hollywood International Speedway.




Which Harland sharps did you get? The ones you need are only available thru Mancini , at least they were only available thru Mancini , they are bushed on the shaft instead of full roller bearing.




JohnRR,
you are correct! Good call, that's exactly what was ordered.
If I'm not mistaken, you know the builder.
I know you ALL will approve
...........
Saturday ....
in the Dyno think it was the 17th of Aug ...........people......a man selling Icecream....


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Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: Copper Dart] #1477944
08/14/13 11:13 AM
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Just noticed my "Cha-Ching-Cheapo" status
At least someone with a sense of Humor
......I think .....

Dyno, Dyno

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Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: Copper Dart] #1477945
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Just noticed my "Cha-Ching-Cheapo" status
At least someone with a sense of Humor
......I think .....

Dyno, Dyno




looks good tell elvis we said hi

Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: Quicktree] #1477946
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After its burning fuel


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Re: STEALTH HEADS AND PROFORM ROLLER ROCKER ISSUES! [Re: Copper Dart] #1477947
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QuickTree it is not "elvis" building the engine.

Dan at Performance Only has had the "pleasure"

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I was told the roller to valve tip issue has be resolved using the HS's.
He didn't say anything about the Pushrod clearance so I take it that was resolved too.
I hope to hear it run soon!



I run HS rockers, myself, and I'm happy with them (as many on this board have already told you, cheap rockers often end up costing you more in the end). But, I would recommend that your engine builder look over the rockers before installing. This isn't a knock against your builder - my HS rockers came with a lot of loose aluminum filings in the shaft, in the rockers, etc.
HS makes good rockers, but they need to work on finishing their product, IMHO. Maybe they've improved this since I bought my rockers a couple of years ago.
...just trying to help.


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