Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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I agree, what a total idiot.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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I know it's his car and he can do as he pleases but I believe he made a serious mistake in cutting that car up. 43 miles..... Tim
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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I agree, what a total idiot.
I can't say what I'm really thinking without getting banned...
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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Oh Yea -> IDIOT, He could have easily sold the Hemi car and used the proceeds to clone one and probably still put money in his pocket!! All from a $300.00 investment Such a Shame!!!
I don't think he'd be so quick to Eff it up if he paid $100K for it. Since he only paid $300 then it's no big deal to him...
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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Hey John, get a good pic of the entire fender tag, VIN tag, Dana tube info, and any pics of the parts that were cut away or removed if you don't mind? I hope they saved all of that for the next owner to replace.......Man what a shame to cut on that car
The next owner will just swap the tags; that'll be easier than cutting and replacing all the metal.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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I don't really go for the "it's his car to do as he pleases" because people are stupid and ignorant and love to They destroy cars that have history and rarity. When you can profit from a car that someone else will do the right thing with it, why not? Take the money go to Arizona and find a nice 318 car and do as you please. Look at what Joel did with his current F.A.S.T car, replaced the rare one with a base model and race it and enjoy it. To me it's common sense to do that and probably cheaper in the long run. Besides who puts a 9 inch in when you have a Dana? Besides I have a 318 Satellite that I'm making the way I would have ordered a Road Runner had I been alive then.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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Well that would be a mistake, the Hemi torque boxes, support plates, rear spring plates, and pinion snubber plates won't be so easy to swap (convincingly), and if they use reproductions they will get noticed. If given the choice of the two tasks I'd choose fixing the hacked sheet metal.
Yeah you'll notice it...
The only plus is now the car is "outted".
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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What a mistake. Either restore it to original, or better yet to its original race configuration since its original motor's gone. There's even a good photo of it as a racecar for duplicating the lettering. After surviving this long, I'd think a car that rare & valuable deserves more respect.
I agree, but in the case of a 66 or 67 the original engine being MIA is not such a big deal since the VIN sequence was not stamped on them in those years, it may take a bit of searching but an acceptably dated replacement engine could be found and would be acceptable to most as "correct". In fact if it weren't already public knowledge, a properly dated block etc. could not be proven to be a replacment.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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I consider that the equivalent of burning a historically significant flag.
I mean really if you want to prove your a stubborn jackhole and won't listen to reason there has to be less costly and irritating way to do it.
Its not primer its perma gray.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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No biggie look at the barrel cuda it can be put back if wanted or needed. I've seen the same thing happen to a rotisserie restored 6-pack Super Bee.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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It's hard for me to comprehend the owners actions.
Simple,.....he's enjoying his hobby,....it's a racecar, a machine, nothing more, as it was treated from day one, why should it be any different today,..........or should it be "restored" to OE/stock condition so that it can sit in a "collection", or rolled on/off the trailer in tire "booties" to the OE Gold tent for Judging?
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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So the guy has owned the car since 1968, as much as everyone may not like it it's is his car.
Why should he have to sell it to appease others?
Apparently it's always been a race car, so what has changed?
The constant bickering about what cars are worth is one of the things that have taken the fun out of the hobby and made it more like a business.
The love of the cars used to be what motivated people to have them and actually drive and race them.
That being said, I would return it to the as raced in the 60's look. But as stated, it's his car.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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So the guy has owned the car since 1968, as much as everyone may not like it it's is his car.
Why should he have to sell it to appease others?
Apparently it's always been a race car, so what has changed?
The constant bickering about what cars are worth is one of the things that have taken the fun out of the hobby and made it more like a business.
The love of the cars used to be what motivated people to have them and actually drive and race them.
That being said, I would return it to the as raced in the 60's look. But as stated, it's his car.
I couldn't agree more! The bottom line is that something is only worth what someone else will pay you for it. Obviously he does not care about selling it, and I don't see anyone here that was trying to buy it. Rather I just see a bunch of armchair car restorers. Sputnik, you're right, cars are for driving, and that's the biggest reason to own one. As for selling it or restoring it a certain way to appease others, you're right there too. It's his car and nobody else's. Explain to me how that's anybody else's business...
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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Greg, I see your point. But once again, why didn't a prospective custodian with a pile of money try to go buy it and save it? While I do indeed agree that some things should be maintained for historical value, the fact remains. It's a Mopar. It's not a Duesenberg.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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In another 50 years that Mopar will be a Deusie.
One more thing, think about this statement. In 50 years that Mopar will be a Duesie? Hardly. While I do love Mopar, the hard truth is that a Mopar isn't a pimple on a Duesenberg's azz. A Duesenberg was a very highly crafted car, built by true craftsmen, and it shows. The Mopars were not. But the difference is that the Mopars are way more affordable by comparison. I stand by my original point that is the addage of hot rodders and racers: "it takes a man to restore a car, but a real man will cut one up."
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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It's still just a car, admittedly a rare version, but just a car.
I'm not sure that anyone would be willing to pay the price numbers that have been thrown around here for the car. 66 and 67's seem to be the red headed step child of the Hemi B-Bodies. If it's got a documented race history with a big name it helps, but it doesn't look like that's the case.
In the grand scheme of things in a few hundred years no one will really care about the old cars we cherish.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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Well, there is another "just when you thought you've heard it all" stories. I can't believe that in this day of instant information a person would not figure out what this car is/was and not pick another path to travel down with it. He should have flipped it got and good portion of his race car financed for free. Hell, I'd have given or found him a good body if it would have saved the car. No doubt the best example of a shortsighted action taken on a car I've heard of all year or longer. Now off to save a lowly 440 car.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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I'm not sure that anyone would be willing to pay the price numbers that have been thrown around here for the car. 66 and 67's seem to be the red headed step child of the Hemi B-Bodies.
The reason for my comments was due to a rare piece of Mopar history being damaged, sure, the value hit also came to mind but it was a distant second place. However, concerning your comment about 67's not being worth all that much? This year, bad economy and all I personally witnessed the sale of one example sell for $500,000, granted it was no run of the mill example, but it was a very similar 67 Hemi car, Is that enough for you?
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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The guy bought this car in 1968 for $300. He knows what it's worth now and doesn't care... It's not about value to him, it's about doing what he wants to his own car...
I could'nt do it, BUT I wouldn't condem the man for it for doing what He wants to His car either. Owning it this long , It obviously has sentimental value. So replacing it with something else would not be the same.
Look at it this way, it's no different than doing a full blown OE level restoration on a non-desirable/valuable car. For some it's not about the money.
Case in point, I'm trying to get the job to resurect a 1972 Olds Cutlass convertible - just a 350 2 bbl car. it's a nothing special car to most people. But the man has owned it for about 25 years. He bought it in High School, drove it all thru college, dated his now wife in it. I told him he could buy one done for less money, His reply was - Yea, but it's not this car.
btw, I know people who can replace the mods to this particular car , and if you didn't see them do it, you could not tell .
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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Owner can do what ever he wants with HIS car. Better to see it getting used then sitting in some museum or another trailer queen.
It is true that there is nothing to prevent owners from doing dumb things with their car, despite what they have been advised.
Also, this is not "just another car". It WAS an unmolested piece of history. Being hacked, it's no longer the really "pure" car that it was. In that regards, you can restore it later, but you can't ever really go back to the way it was.
I was told a few months ago that the owner had a short term health horizon and wanted to see the car run again. That said, the nature of the changes are still completely irresponsible.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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I'm not sure that anyone would be willing to pay the price numbers that have been thrown around here for the car. 66 and 67's seem to be the red headed step child of the Hemi B-Bodies.
The reason for my comments was due to a rare piece of Mopar history being damaged, sure, the value hit also came to mind but it was a distant second place. However, concerning your comment about 67's not being worth all that much? This year, bad economy and all I personally witnessed the sale of one example sell for $500,000, granted it was no run of the mill example, but it was a very similar 67 Hemi car, Is that enough for you?
I never said it couldn't bring big money.
The intention of my comment was that if for that kind of money most buyers are going to buy a later B-Body or an E-Body which are obviously far more popular choices by buyers. That also make the later more popular cars a better investment in the respect of selling at a later date when you want a different toy. There's only a limited number of people that would only want a 66 or 67 B-Body even if it's a Hemi car.
I love 67 Plymouth B-Bodies (I have one), but it doesn't change the fact that they aren't as popular as the later cars.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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I think some people just don't get it. This car could have been compared to a Duesenberg or any other vehicle that there are only TWO or maybe THREE examples in the whole world. That is one rare piece and it was the ultimate and very significant performance vehicle in that production year. I also think this hacking madness has been partially perpetuated by the #'s guys. In the Mopar world some people in this hobby say that if a rare piece doesn't have the engine and air in the tires that it left the factory with, then it isn't worthy of a full restoration. To my way of thinking if a rare hemi or six pack (or any muscle era Mopar) has the same type of engine that it left the factory with then it's a worthy example and shouldn't be shunned by the so-called experts of the hobby. If this car had been restored it would have had the "experts" pointing fingers saying that "yeah it's nice but that isn't the original engine block, and those carbs came off a GTX, pooh, pooh".
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I don't see the comparison as an equal to to a Deusenberg as this was a production car that someone just checked off the right order boxes to get it. It wasn't a hand built car, which is what made Deusenbergs special, and rare.
Rare and cool, yes. Hand built, no.
Ahh the days when you could order a car any way you wanted and not be forced to buy every option package they want to make a buck on.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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So the guy has owned the car since 1968, as much as everyone may not like it it's is his car.
Why should he have to sell it to appease others?
Apparently it's always been a race car, so what has changed?
The constant bickering about what cars are worth is one of the things that have taken the fun out of the hobby and made it more like a business.
The love of the cars used to be what motivated people to have them and actually drive and race them.
That being said, I would return it to the as raced in the 60's look. But as stated, it's his car.
I couldn't agree more! The bottom line is that something is only worth what someone else will pay you for it. Obviously he does not care about selling it, and I don't see anyone here that was trying to buy it. Rather I just see a bunch of armchair car restorers. Sputnik, you're right, cars are for driving, and that's the biggest reason to own one. As for selling it or restoring it a certain way to appease others, you're right there too. It's his car and nobody else's. Explain to me how that's anybody else's business...
Yep this about says it all. Sure it sucks it's a piece of history...But lets face it if it was up for sale for 100K as is it would be on the WIW board with people saying it's worth 20k tops...
If someone really wanted to save it they could as EVERYTHING does have a price...
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Yep this about says it all. Sure it sucks it's a piece of history...But lets face it if it was up for sale for 100K as is it would be on the WIW board with people saying it's worth 20k tops...
If someone really wanted to save it they could as EVERYTHING does have a price...
That's not always the case, some people don't have a price. As crazy as it sounds they refuse to sell no matter what. I have a buddy like that, he's had obscene offers for his car (it's a one of 62 built IIRC) and his reply is "It's not for sale". His wife on the other hand keeps the potential buyers contact info. The day after he passes away she'll be on the phone pimping it out to the highest bidder.
Well then you confirmed my point EVERYTHING has a price it's just that he won't be around to know what that price was....
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...But lets face it if it was up for sale for 100K as is it would be on the WIW board with people saying it's worth 20k tops...
Aint that the truth!
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Fact: His car, his right to do whatever he likes to it.
Fact: In doing so he damages an exceptionally rare car.
Opinion: I think he's off his rocker. I don't care if he bought it from Fred Flintstone, he could have traded for a car that was 100% ready to go and do what he would like to it, or come up with a deal to do the same things without cutting it up.
Opinion 2: My undies aren't in a bundle, this was posted to elicit opinions, and it did, thats what makes this place interesting.
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I remember 2 years ago when I thought the end was getting here quicker than I wanted, I thought I was about to die because of a tumor they found in me. At that specific moment I remember being with my dad for the last few months he had when he was dieing of Cancer in 2000. At that time I could not fathom what his thoughts were and the decisions he was making made no sense to me at the time. He did what he wanted and when he wanted to do it. So when it happened to me I started to understand that this was it and if I wanted something or to do something I better get it done and I too didn't care what anyone would think..... It is an awful feeling to have and to go through. If the owner wants to do it to his car, so be it, let him, you will have your chance to mirror his feelings and thoughts someday and you will reflect back and do your thing.....
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If someone really wanted to save it they could as EVERYTHING does have a price...
That depends on what you value.
My opinion is not everything has a price, there are... things... you could not pry from me for love or money.
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I remember 2 years ago when I thought the end was getting here quicker than I wanted, I thought I was about to die because of a tumor they found in me. At that specific moment I remember being with my dad for the last few months he had when he was dieing of Cancer in 2000. At that time I could not fathom what his thoughts were and the decisions he was making made no sense to me at the time. He did what he wanted and when he wanted to do it. So when it happened to me I started to understand that this was it and if I wanted something or to do something I better get it done and I too didn't care what anyone would think..... It is an awful feeling to have and to go through. If the owner wants to do it to his car, so be it, let him, you will have your chance to mirror his feelings and thoughts someday and you will reflect back and do your thing.....
Could not have stated it better myself. Ones' whole perpective on life changes and material things mean nothing anymore. Although my health is stable, I think about it every day. Jules
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It's his car so he's free to do with it what he will.......and I'm free to think he's a moron for doing it! ...see it all works out! Dave
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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I have to admit that before he did what he’s doing now he wasn’t anybody and nobody knew squat about him or his car and it seems could care less. His car was just a hidden away ’67 Hemi Belvedere with what could have been a clone factory paint job or even a clone car. Now he will live in Mopar infamy FOREVER as “wasn’t there some guy that took a 43 mile factory Hemi race car and made it they way he wanted it”…………………….he’s leaving his mark on Mopar history and before he did this nobody cared about him, his life, his health or HIS car, good for him, now that’s going out with flare. We’ll always remember you, whatever your name is? I think I’ll give him a nickname name like “43 Mile Hemi Guy” sort of like “Balloon Boy” and all of those other nicknames of people that we don't know their real names that have done things that really don’t matter in the big scheme of life but PO a lot of people that it really doesn’t affect their real lives at all. Here’s to you "43 Mile Hemi Guy" and your place in Mopar history and folklore. (Sad for the car and its historical “value” but good for him, as old “Blue Eyes” Frank sang “I did it myyyyyyy waaaaaaaay” and ) MikeR
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Some people's perhaps. In 'o7 when I was diagnosed, I made plans that would insure the family would be o.k. and vehicles would not be a headache to them. This included a partial liquidation, a purchase or three and directions on whom to contact about certain other vehicles... Being terminal does not mean irresponsible. Actually, the 'medical establishment' recommends that one DOES NOT make any major descisions during the time one's coming to terms with their situation. With that in thought let me suggest the name Mr. Hemi Killer. He can proudly emblazon it on the side of his new dragcar (likely to be driven by someone else) .
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I remember 2 years ago when I thought the end was getting here quicker than I wanted, I thought I was about to die because of a tumor they found in me. At that specific moment I remember being with my dad for the last few months he had when he was dieing of Cancer in 2000. At that time I could not fathom what his thoughts were and the decisions he was making made no sense to me at the time. He did what he wanted and when he wanted to do it. So when it happened to me I started to understand that this was it and if I wanted something or to do something I better get it done and I too didn't care what anyone would think..... It is an awful feeling to have and to go through. If the owner wants to do it to his car, so be it, let him, you will have your chance to mirror his feelings and thoughts someday and you will reflect back and do your thing.....
Could not have stated it better myself. Ones' whole perpective on life changes and material things mean nothing anymore. Although my health is stable, I think about it every day. Jules
....Life is a little too short at times for some, best to enjoy what time you have.....rather than getting all "wadded" up about matters,...that really don't matter at all,....like this thread about this old forgotten car,...the only person that should care what happens to this car, is the current owner, it's his to do as he pleases, to he11 with what others think he should/shouldn't do to/with it
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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I have to admit that before he did what he’s doing now he wasn’t anybody and nobody knew squat about him or his car and it seems could care less. His car was just a hidden away ’67 Hemi Belvedere with what could have been a clone factory paint job or even a clone car. Now he will live in Mopar infamy FOREVER as “wasn’t there some guy that took a 43 mile factory Hemi race car and hacked it up”…………………….he’s leaving his mark on Mopar history and before he did this nobody cared about him, his life, his health or HIS car, good for him, now that’s going out with flare. We’ll always remember you, whatever your name is? I think I’ll give him a nickname name like “43 Mile Hemi Hack” sort of like “Balloon Boy” and all of those other nicknames of people that we don't know their real names that have done things that really don’t matter in the big scheme of life but PO a lot of people that it really doesn’t affect their real lives at all.
Here’s to you "43 Mile Hemi Hack" and your place in Mopar history and folklore.
(Sad for the car and its historical “value” but good for him, as old “Blue Eyes” Frank sang “I did it myyyyyyy waaaaaaaay” and )
MikeR
Mike I think there is a little confusion on your part , it's not a factory race car , it's just a Hemi , but yes a rare one.
edit ... I just read the entire thread, was this car really a MULE for the 68 SS a bodies running out of the Boston area ???
Jon does some nice work , I hope to see it at the track next year .
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The whole thing is this, the guy was apparently born with a silver spoon in his mouth and likes to rub it in. Most of us on here can not afford to do something like that so it looks completly retarded to us. On the other hand some poor kid in Cuba probably would think I was nuts for painting my cuda non-original and ditching the original 318 2bbl 7.25 in favor of a warmed up 360 8.75. I took a lot of the cars originality out of it and made it better IMO, that is what he is doing just with a $100,000 car instead of a $10,000 car, he just has so much money that none of it matters to him. You can tell for sure this is the situation when he throws the factory Hemi Dana60 out for the scrap metal guys to haul off, he just has too much money, just like the kids in cuba probably think about me, "he tossed out a perfectly good 7.25 rear we could have used that in the old dart!
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John, on the car; what I find odd and maybe this doesn't apply to this car is I thought a "factory race car" was a bare minimum car from the factory WITHOUT undercoating or sound deadening, etc., but the photos clearly show the rear wheel wells with what appears to be.... .......then again maybe that's rubber from the M&H slicks Oh, and that 43 miles a quarter mile at a time has to be at least a little over a 1/2 to 3/4 miles at a time.......a quarter mile up, slow down distance, a quarter mile back and getting back to the pits and back to the start has to be way more than a 1/4 mile...yuk, yuk, All that odo tells anyone is that's when the cable was disconnected I need to come up with a nicer nickname for the guy, I don't wish him any ill will, just used that because of the tone of most of the thread by some (I'm on his side, btw his car etc). He's really like most of us, he's probably been wanting to do that for many, many years (I think I read that) and procrastinated just like most of us about doing in it; DAMHIK guilty. MikeR
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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All I can say is what I've been saying all along... It's his car, his $$... In the end, his decision.. More power to him for doing what he wants with it I stopped by Jon's shop tonight to talk to him about a few things... And we got to talking about this car... His feelings are it's his car, he can do whatever he wants with it.. He asked the owner if it's REALLY what he wanted done and if he knew what he was doing.. The owner replied "I've had this for 42 years and this is what I want". Jon explained everything that had to be cut and moved...Jon told him to sell it like it is (factory) and buy any car you want and race tomorrow with it... So in the end, it's something the owner went into with his eyes open wide... As for the post above.. it is a real car. Jim Reid (who built my motor) is the guy who put the 43 miles on it back in 1967. It was bought new from Hall Motors in Brockton, MA. It was a factory Hemi 4-speed Belvedere 1, otherwise known as the mule car...Radio delete.. Heat delete... Jim and his brother Tom raced it in '67 and sold it at the end of the year , to another guy in Central Mass, who pulled the entire drivetrain out. The CURRENT owner bought the body, as you see it for $300. It even has the original metal hood scoop... For the record, the guy who owns this is not rich.. He's a regular working stiff like the rest of us... He put his kids through college.. Did his time.. And this is his dream car. My hat's off to him for living his dream. Any one who thinks the car is being "hacked" should really go see the quality of the work that's being done and decide for themselves...
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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10/12/10 10:11 PM
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As for the post above.. it is a real car. Jim Reid (who built my motor) is the guy who put the 43 miles on it back in 1967. It was bought new from Hall Motors in Brockton, MA. It was a factory Hemi 4-speed Belvedere 1, otherwise known as the mule car...Radio delete.. Heat delete... Jim and his brother Tom raced it in '67 and sold it at the end of the year , to another guy in Central Mass, who pulled the entire drivetrain out. The CURRENT owner bought the body, as you see it for $300. It even has the original metal hood scoop...
JB, no desrespect but the term "Mule Car" seems to be nothing more than a nickname they gave to the "Donor Car" that gave up it's drive train to a 68 car, nothing more (unless you can dig up some proof of otherwise?). Also, the RO/WO scoop may be an original (if it's made of steel) but regardless it did not come on that car from the factory, it was added after purchase. As far as it being a "real" Hemi car, I have no doubt that it is. As far as the term "hacked" is concerned, I found it appropriate to describe ANY type of sheet metal modification performed on such a rare car, regardless of the skill level of the fabricator.
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Why cut up an original when you can take any run of the mill car and do the same thing? When the rare cars have already have been modified back in the day and have some kind of history or racing heritage I do agree on leaving them like that or restoring them to their former glory. If its an untouched original example, I would leave it as is. But oh well, its his car. I would have NEVER done that to that car though! I have a 67 Barracuda notchback slant 6 to cut up as I please, stuff a HEMI in it, cage it, whatever....my 69 HEMI Charger Im restoring to bone stock specs. But oh well, thats what makes sense to me. It'd be boring if we all thought alike.
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There's nothing morally wrong with him modifying his car. We may not agree with his choice, but it's not for us to tell him what to do with his car.
Last thing I knew people still had the freedom to do what they want with their own property as long as it doesn't endanger others.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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hipocrites !!! it's not ok to cut up a hemi but it is ok to cut up a 318 ?? who made you guys the gods of all things mopar with the power to judge who lives and dies ! custodians of history ?? come on, the guy can do whatever he pleases to the car he owns, the more people he pisses off in the process the more he's succeded in what he's done... would I do it myself...no way, I'd buy an exact donor cut it up and put the tags on it, then i'd run a 427 corvette tripower with a ford 9 inch so I could go to all the shows and piss everyone off... hmmmmm maybe he's smarter than you all think... doesn't sound like too much modifiaction going on anyway....easy to put back to original if one desired...
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the value of this car is probably low 30,s at best with its hemi intact
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the value of this car is probably low 30,s at best with its hemi intact
Dan my friend, you are DREAMING!
I'll 2nd that! Yes, 66-67 hemi cars are on the lower end of collector scales, but we here are talking about a car that was not supposed to have ever been built and that brings it way up the collectable/value scale. Being a 4 speed/Dana car is just frosting on the ubber rare cake!
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its worth half that right now...
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As human beings with a moral conscience it is only natural for us to try to help others from making mistakes, mostly through lessons that we ourselves have learned over life. Whether it is a small child who is going to touch something hot and get burned or an adult who is smoking we only want to help. That said, the receiver of the the advise may ignore what is said and suffer the consequences. It happens and all we can do is try.
I also agree that it is a shame what is happening to this rare car but all you can do is offer the owner advise. All the things I have read make great since to me, especially the money point, but if the owner decides to cut the car up then what can you do. All you can say is you did try. IMHO.
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I bought my little boy a limited production diecast car when he was younger and paid good money for it and when I gave it to him I told him he needed to be very careful with it. It was hard to find but he was the one that saw a photo of it and wanted it. Usually I put them away in a safe place or display them on a shelf too high for him to get to when they are rare or cost more than an average diecast but he wanted it and he only got it with the exception that his next report card was a good one. He made the Honor Roll with all A's and one B so he earned it. Sure enough I came home from work one evening and he was still on the computer with the Photoshop program still making more decals and artwork to decorate his rare diecast car just the way he liked it At first I was going to go off on him with......well with all of the stupid comments in this thread about how rare and how much it WAS worth and........but when he turned to me with this big smile and said "Hey dad look at how nice my car is now, just the way I wanted it to be" that was worth more than that piece of metal would ever be worth by a million. He didn't burn his fingers, he didn't light up a cigarette, he didn't hurt anyone, he just did what made him happy. I have a bunch of diecast cars just sitting in boxes or on shelves not doing anything but collecting dust, my kid has a diecast car that he still enjoys the heck out of and "It's pretty cool, eh dad?". MikeR
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People make their own choices, despite our best well-intentioned advice, for many reasons but making themselves happy is probably the best one.
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I bought my little boy a limited production diecast car when he was younger and paid good money for it and when I gave it to him I told him he needed to be very careful with it. It was hard to find but he was the one that saw a photo of it and wanted it. Usually I put them away in a safe place or display them on a shelf too high for him to get to when they are rare or cost more than an average diecast but he wanted it and he only got it with the exception that his next report card was a good one. He made the Honor Roll with all A's and one B so he earned it. Sure enough I came home from work one evening and he was still on the computer with the Photoshop program still making more decals and artwork to decorate his rare diecast car just the way he like it At first I was going to go off on him with......well with all of the stupid comments in this thread about how rare and how much it WAS worth and........but when he turned to me with this big smile and said "Hey dad look at how nice my car is now, just the way I wanted it to be" that was worth more than that piece of metal would ever be worth by a million.
He didn't burn his fingers, he didn't light up a cigarette, he didn't hurt anyone, he just did what made him happy. I have a bunch of diecast cars just sitting in boxes or on shelves not doing anything but collecting dust, my kid has a diecast car that he still enjoys the heck out of and "It's pretty cool, eh dad?".
MikeR
Best post I've read in quite a while. Puts a new perspective on things...
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People make their own choices, despite our best well-intentioned advice, for many reasons but making themselves happy is probably the best one.
I don't see much WELL-INTENTIONED advice calling the owner a RETARD or an IDIOT or any other of the derogatory ADVICE being given. I think what upsets the holier than thous giving this well intentioned advice is that it's not a hacked up race car that's being treated to a HO HUM BORING CONCOURSE INCORRECT HACKJOB resto. I applaud the guy for doing what he wants to HIS car, before that thread hardly anyone knew the car even existed.
Heck maybe I'll put the Hemi in my 56k original mile, MATCHING number everything, DATE CODE everything, 383, 4 speed, GTS.
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It's interesting on how a subject can be distorted into something it is not. Some would rather see the car keep it's heritage, others would rather see it something else, or simply don't care. I simply do not see whining going on. Wouldn't it be boring if we all thought alike? Out of curiosity, has your buisness cloned any original hemi cars into a superbird or daytona? Has anyone come to you requesting you take off all this stuff off my car that makes it look like a wedge with a handle? Probably not. Wouldn't you agree that such a request would be aberrant? I think most of the detraction of what the owner has done fits in with the questions I've presented to you.
While not "original" HEMI cars that I know of,.......I've had a good number of customers who have converted 69 Charger 500's into Daytonas, V code 70 RoadRunners into Birds,...along with an assortment of RT's, SE's,....and U coded cars, including a few sunroof cars, AC 4 spd cars,etc.....plus I converted/cloned/customized a lot of so-called "numbers" cars over the last 30+ years,....and I never "refused" work or the sale of parts based on the fact of what the customer was doing to their car, in fact I encourage others to do what they want with THEIR car, regardless of its "pedigree" or "heritage",....as I veiw an automobile as merely a machine, nothing more,....in fact I have a "numbers matching" Cuda in my shop undergoing a conversion to Shaker 440/6, Dana, etc
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...But lets face it if it was up for sale for 100K as is it would be on the WIW board with people saying it's worth 20k tops...
Aint that the truth!
I couldn't agree more! It's sad but true. If that car was fully restored to stock and was for sale for 50k Moparts members would have a field day knocking the owner for asking 50k because "it's the lowest valued car", "66/67 are not worth that much", "the owner should put down the crack pipe","he must think it's 2006", you get my drift. I personally would never have done that to any factory Hemi car, but that's just me...It's up to the current owner to do what he wants with his/her car.
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While not "original" HEMI cars that I know of,.......I've had a good number of customers who have converted 69 Charger 500's into Daytonas, V code 70 RoadRunners into Birds,...along with an assortment of RT's, SE's,....and U coded cars, including a few sunroof cars, AC 4 spd cars,etc.....plus I converted/cloned/customized a lot of so-called "numbers" cars over the last 30+ years,....and I never "refused" work or the sale of parts based on the fact of what the customer was doing to their car, in fact I encourage others to do what they want with THEIR car, regardless of its "pedigree" or "heritage",....as I veiw an automobile as merely a machine, nothing more,....in fact I have a "numbers matching" Cuda in my shop undergoing a conversion to Shaker 440/6, Dana, etc
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That reminds me, who's wing and nose cone did you put on Mr. Angry's Daytona clone? I've asked before but you've never answered?
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It's interesting on how a subject can be distorted into something it is not. Some would rather see the car keep it's heritage, others would rather see it something else, or simply don't care. I simply do not see whining going on. Wouldn't it be boring if we all thought alike?
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The problem is much of the WELL-INTENTIONED advice is being given because the owner in NOT falling in line with the rest of the SHEEP.
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I bought my little boy a limited production diecast car when he was younger and paid good money for it and when I gave it to him I told him he needed to be very careful with it. It was hard to find but he was the one that saw a photo of it and wanted it. Usually I put them away in a safe place or display them on a shelf too high for him to get to when they are rare or cost more than an average diecast but he wanted it and he only got it with the exception that his next report card was a good one. He made the Honor Roll with all A's and one B so he earned it. Sure enough I came home from work one evening and he was still on the computer with the Photoshop program still making more decals and artwork to decorate his rare diecast car just the way he like it At first I was going to go off on him with......well with all of the stupid comments in this thread about how rare and how much it WAS worth and........but when he turned to me with this big smile and said "Hey dad look at how nice my car is now, just the way I wanted it to be" that was worth more than that piece of metal would ever be worth by a million.
He didn't burn his fingers, he didn't light up a cigarette, he didn't hurt anyone, he just did what made him happy. I have a bunch of diecast cars just sitting in boxes or on shelves not doing anything but collecting dust, my kid has a diecast car that he still enjoys the heck out of and "It's pretty cool, eh dad?".
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Best post I've read in quite a while. Puts a new perspective on things...
i second that , nicely put mike...
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Nice story, but irrelevant. Now, if you gave your kid an original vw bus, or 68 charger in the blister pack that you had kept for 40 years and he ripped it open and did the same thing would anything change? Sure you could buy another because there are hundreds, if not thousands floating around. Could you put it back in the package, sure, although it really would never be the same. This discussion could go on forever with any number of variables. To remain pure to the point the owner modified a low mileage piece of automotive history. Some feel it was negligent, others feel fine with it. No big problem and nothing will change the thoughts of those that posted here. I'm sure there are numbers of others that have read the thread that refrain from posting their feelings, or, care less what some guy did to his car. Personally, I feel it's a shame.
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And as we learned from Bruce Springsteen, don't get caught on the wrong side of that line.
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It is just another case of selfishness, it is rampant in this country and will be the death of it. We are just caretakers of the rare art that we own and nobody gets out of this alive. If you think you own your house or any other property after it is paid off, you are sorely mistaken. What a shame...
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
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It is just another case of selfishness, it is rampant in this country and will be the death of it. We are just caretakers of the rare art that we own and nobody gets out of this alive. If you think you own your house or any other property after it is paid off, you are sorely mistaken. What a shame...
Exactly , the guy can't take it with him , he doesn't care about it's value , the next CARETAKER can return it to stock .
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Exactly , the guy can't take it with him , he doesn't care about it's value , the next CARETAKER can return it to stock .
You can "fix" the car later, but you really can't get back what's been lost.
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Exactly , the guy can't take it with him , he doesn't care about it's value , the next CARETAKER can return it to stock .
You can "fix" the car later, but you really can't get back what's been lost.
What is lost? look at the barrelcuda look what can be gained?
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[Re: moparpollack]
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10/27/10 11:31 PM
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Exactly , the guy can't take it with him , he doesn't care about it's value , the next CARETAKER can return it to stock .
You can "fix" the car later, but you really can't get back what's been lost.
What is lost? look at the barrelcuda look what can be gained?
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Once the car is incorrectly concourse restored to satisfy the purASSist , the repair s will not be scene unless the car is stripped to bare metal.
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[Re: srt]
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John, are you suggesting it's alright to do whatever, as long as you cover it up good? Of course, that would include doing whatever to conceal work done, or not done as in a numbers swap?
Many of the high end cars that are restored have had MAJOR repair work done that is hidden by spit shined underchassis paint work , why should this car be any different when it finally gets the restoration it DESERVES ?
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[Re: moparpollack]
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10/28/10 11:12 AM
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My point was they are made of metal and can be repaired to looks factory new.
Yes, and valuable paintings are just canvas and paint. The car is worth more than the sum of its parts. The point is, the car has now been soiled. It is on its way to being "just another old drag car" that someone cut on.
As to the comment on the Barrelcuda, with ALL due respect to Alan and Keith Sims on the fine job done, it's not a car I would personally desire to own because of the amount of reconstruction.
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[Re: Aero426]
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10/28/10 11:40 AM
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My point was they are made of metal and can be repaired to looks factory new.
Yes, and valuable paintings are just canvas and paint. The car is worth more than the sum of its parts. The point is, the car has now been soiled. It is on its way to being "just another old drag car" that someone cut on.
That's an elitist way of looking at them, but it's your choice. You could use that derogatory way of thinking for just about everything in general .
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10/28/10 12:57 PM
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That's an elitist way of looking at them, but it's your choice. You could use that derogatory way of thinking for just about everything in general .
As far as I am concerned, there is a pecking order to these cars. Some are better than others. You have to sort them out somehow, so call it what you want.
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... I've explained to non-gearheads that when I'm replacing a major body panel, I think of each spot weld as basically being a bolt holding things together and that it just takes more labor to undo it. It's not rocket science to reconstruct something on down the line if the wheel house or similar part has been hacked on.
With regard to this car, it's more a question of whether the "bolts" should have been undone in the first place. If this were 1973, nobody would think twice about cutting on a race car like this, or the viability of future restoration. But it's not 1973 anymore.
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10/28/10 06:48 PM
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I may have missed some pictures of what is being done, so bear with me, but what is SO wrong?
They cut the floor to put in frame connectors and beefed up the rollcage. Fine, but maybe that will save the body from twisting up. It's getting a fuel cell. Maybe that will keep it from burning to the ground.
It was a race car before and it's a race car now.
I'm not even slightly with runing automotive history but from what I saw in the pictures this car is not being ruined. It's getting ready to race again. It looks like they are doing a pretty decent job.
Yes, it's being changed. Yes it's the rarest of the rare. But it's not like the guy is tubbing it and sending it to Chip Foose to get it all smoothed out and pearl painted.
very clever dinner. appetizing food fit neatly into interesting round pie.
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If I am following along correctly, the guy has owned this car since the late 60s, and is staring his own mortality in the face. I really cannot blame him for doing things on his own terms. What we get in experiences out of this one-and-only life matter more than all the Hemis in the world. The man has a long term connection with the car, and wants to do something extraordinary in his life before passing on to who knows where. If that is most important to him, who am I to condemn him? Yes, he could go out and find a 318 car and make the mods. However, it just would not be the same (again, he has a bond/relationship/connection...stop laughing! We all do this!) to that particular car. To get a little more insight on this, rent "Love The Beast." Any car lover should sit down and watch it, particularly with the other half. My wife and I watched it a few weeks ago, and she came away with a much bigger appreciation of my love of cars.
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If I am following along correctly, the guy has owned this car since the late 60s, and is staring his own mortality in the face. I really cannot blame him for doing things on his own terms. What we get in experiences out of this one-and-only life matter more than all the Hemis in the world. The man has a long term connection with the car, and wants to do something extraordinary in his life before passing on to who knows where. If that is most important to him, who am I to condemn him? Yes, he could go out and find a 318 car and make the mods. However, it just would not be the same (again, he has a bond/relationship/connection...stop laughing! We all do this!) to that particular car. To get a little more insight on this, rent "Love The Beast." Any car lover should sit down and watch it, particularly with the other half. My wife and I watched it a few weeks ago, and she came away with a much bigger appreciation of my love of cars.
Like a broken clock, every once in awhile you look at a New Bee post and realize its correct.
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Owner can do what ever he wants with HIS car.....
I stopped at this post! It is the only one that made any sense. Sad (actually odd) that this guys car has such a personal and emotional impact on so many people.
So.............what other subject matter can we debate today that has no effect or personal consequence to our lives whatsoever?
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I think a few people in the stands said Hemi Fred was nuts after doing that Wheel Stand, but it had nothing to do with the car being the Sox and Martin Duster. Fred is an example of just how much FUN you can have with any Mopar. I wonder how many people said things in the negative way when people were cutting up all those Real Hemi E Bodies and racing the crap out of them way back in 1970 and 1971. I own one of those cut up rare pieces of crap and its the most fun I have ever had with any car.
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I think a few people in the stands said Hemi Fred was nuts after doing that Wheel Stand, but it had nothing to do with the car being the Sox and Martin Duster.
Agreed I thought he was gonna lift but he never did....
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It is his car, let him paint it F8, tub it, and then race it into a guard rail, he is dying and wants to enjoy the car and you all have the balls to condemn him for doing it.... You are all sick Which one of you has the guts to walk up to him and tell him "Sorry you are dying but, you are a jerk and you are wrong to do what you want for a last wish".
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It is his car, let him paint it F8, tub it, and then race it into a guard rail, he is dying and wants to enjoy the car and you all have the balls to condemn him for doing it.... You are all sick
this is the best post i have read in this demented thread
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This car is a long long way from the Mona Lisa. His car to do with what he wants.
'.. it was long ago and it was far away, and it was so much better than it is today..' Jim Steinman
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It is his car, let him paint it F8, tub it, and then race it into a guard rail, he is dying and wants to enjoy the car and you all have the balls to condemn him for doing it.... You are all sick
Which one of you has the guts to walk up to him and tell him "Sorry you are dying but, you are a jerk and you are wrong to do what you want for a last wish".
If I see him I will do just that! He is going to a better place than I am at and hopefully sooner...
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If I am following along correctly, the guy has owned this car since the late 60s, and is staring his own mortality in the face. I really cannot blame him for doing things on his own terms. What we get in experiences out of this one-and-only life matter more than all the Hemis in the world. The man has a long term connection with the car, and wants to do something extraordinary in his life before passing on to who knows where. If that is most important to him, who am I to condemn him? Yes, he could go out and find a 318 car and make the mods. However, it just would not be the same (again, he has a bond/relationship/connection...stop laughing! We all do this!) to that particular car. To get a little more insight on this, rent "Love The Beast." Any car lover should sit down and watch it, particularly with the other half. My wife and I watched it a few weeks ago, and she came away with a much bigger appreciation of my love of cars.
This puts it in perspective for me. The car was originally built to race and was used for that purpose back in the day. It could have been crunched on any one of those passes back then and nobody would have thought twice about it.
As far as I'm concerned, owning and preserving the car for 40 years has earned this guy the right to do whatever he wants with it. In other hands the car probably wouldn't have lasted past the early '70s anyways.
Besides, there's always a certain joy involved with watching an original car getting back on the track to make some passes for people who would never have had the chance to see it back in the day. Just knowing that it's a "real one" makes it special. Kinda like spreading good karma and keeping the hobby where it belongs - on the street and track, not tucked away under cover in a climate controlled building. Just IMHO, and .
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If we don't preserve history, we don't have any history, it's that simple. There are things that given what we know, we just don't do - like putting tattoos on your 3 year old or cooking up our dog for something new to try ( in our countries, anyway ). The company doing this work is also culpable for this. If they truly cared for the preservation of history and just working ethically, they would have turned down the job. Alot of people in this hobby understand that, most don't. We see it all the time in the TV shows and all over the net - these cars fall into the wrong hands and people wreck them. Too many people are getting rich from doing the wrong thing - part of our society. Money is worth more than ethics. Hopefully this "chop shop" loses some business from people seeing this post.
What a shame.
And here I thought this thread had finally died.
It's a car folks! It's not a work of art, it was something that was mass produced, there just weren't many ordered in this particular combination.
The owner can do whatever he wants with it including accidentally slamming it into a wall at the track.
The shop has committed no foul by doing what the owner of the car wants done. They would be idiots to not do the work if the owner of the car still wants it done.
The number of self righteous people on this board that think they have the right to tell other people what they must do with their car amazes me.
Neither you, me or anyone else has the right to decide what the man does with his car.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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If we don't preserve history, we don't have any history, it's that simple. There are things that given what we know, we just don't do - like putting tattoos on your 3 year old or cooking up our dog for something new to try ( in our countries, anyway ). The company doing this work is also culpable for this. If they truly cared for the preservation of history and just working ethically, they would have turned down the job. Alot of people in this hobby understand that, most don't. We see it all the time in the TV shows and all over the net - these cars fall into the wrong hands and people wreck them. Too many people are getting rich from doing the wrong thing - part of our society. Money is worth more than ethics. Hopefully this "chop shop" loses some business from people seeing this post.
What a shame.
That's some funny stuff right there
The shop is culpable ...
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Might as well add my two cents..
Bottom line is its his car and he can and do what he wants with it..
However,
There have been some good points opposing that idea. I as well as some others feel the car should have been left alone and money spent elsewhere to achieve what the owner wants out of owning a Mopar.
It is far more than "just a car".. 40 years ago, sure, not now. It is part of a history that is quickly going away and fewer and fewer real examples are left, especially this rare.
But, the bottom line its his car to do what he wants to make him happy..
Oh, did I tell you my family tree goes back to the civil war and we have personal written letters from Gen Lee to the soldiers of the war. However, it was really cold last night up here in the east and we needed some paper to start up the fireplace.. needless to say the letters are all gone.. but what the heck, they were just old pieces of paper.. and by the way 15th century furniture wood really burns for a long time.. So long I had to smother the fire out with an old native American blanket that my old dog use to have before I could go to bed.
Last edited by Mopar_Mike; 12/29/10 01:54 PM.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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12/29/10 02:02 PM
12/29/10 02:02 PM
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Oh, did I tell you my family tree goes back to the civil war and we have personal written letters from Gen Lee to the soldiers of war. However, it was really cold last night up here in the east and we needed some paper to start up the fireplace.. needless to say the letters are all gone.. but what the heck, they were just old pieces of paper.. and by the way 15th century furniture chair wood really burns for a long time..
Good point.
While I'd never do it, the owner can do what he wants with his car. Hack away! There is no law against making unwise choices with your own property.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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12/29/10 02:16 PM
12/29/10 02:16 PM
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Might as well add my two cents..
Bottom line is its his car and he can and do what he wants with it..
However,
There have been some good points opposing that idea. I as well as some others feel the car should have been left alone and money spent elsewhere to achieve what the owner wants out of owning a Mopar.
It is far more than "just a car".. 40 years ago, sure, not now. It is part of a history that is quickly going away and fewer and fewer real examples are left, especially this rare.
But, the bottom line its his car to do what he wants to make him happy..
Oh, did I tell you my family tree goes back to the civil war and we have personal written letters from Gen Lee to the soldiers of the war. However, it was really cold last night up here in the east and we needed some paper to start up the fireplace.. needless to say the letters are all gone.. but what the heck, they were just old pieces of paper.. and by the way 15th century furniture wood really burns for a long time.. So long I had to smother the fire out with an old native American blanket that my old dog use to have before I could go to bed.
In the grand scheme of life it's still just a car, just like an antique wood chair or old papers are just something to burn if you don't want to freeze to death.
In life people do what ever they choose to or need too as long as their not breaking the law or hurting another person there's not much anyone can or should do.
It's a 1 of 2 built because no one wanted that combination back in 1967. Because no one ordered many that way means that the owner for 43 years loses his right to do what he wants with the car?
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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12/29/10 07:58 PM
12/29/10 07:58 PM
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It's a 1 of 2 built because no one wanted that combination back in 1967. Because no one ordered many that way means that the owner for 43 years loses his right to do what he wants with the car?
I think it's 1 of 2 because Chrysler stopped offering the Hemi in that model but a couple got out the door somehow?
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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12/29/10 07:59 PM
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Oh, did I tell you my family tree goes back to the civil war and we have personal written letters from Gen Lee to the soldiers of the war. However, it was really cold last night up here in the east and we needed some paper to start up the fireplace.. needless to say the letters are all gone.. but what the heck, they were just old pieces of paper.. and by the way 15th century furniture wood really burns for a long time.. So long I had to smother the fire out with an old native American blanket that my old dog use to have before I could go to bed.
Did you video it to put on youtube , that would be wonderful to have seen.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
[Re: Aero426]
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12/29/10 09:07 PM
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Oh, did I tell you my family tree goes back to the civil war and we have personal written letters from Gen Lee to the soldiers of war. However, it was really cold last night up here in the east and we needed some paper to start up the fireplace.. needless to say the letters are all gone.. but what the heck, they were just old pieces of paper.. and by the way 15th century furniture chair wood really burns for a long time..
Good point.
While I'd never do it, the owner can do what he wants with his car. Hack away! There is no law against making unwise choices with your own property.
Sure there is, just try an burn down your own house!
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
[Re: Rhinodart]
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12/30/10 12:28 AM
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Oh, did I tell you my family tree goes back to the civil war and we have personal written letters from Gen Lee to the soldiers of war. However, it was really cold last night up here in the east and we needed some paper to start up the fireplace.. needless to say the letters are all gone.. but what the heck, they were just old pieces of paper.. and by the way 15th century furniture chair wood really burns for a long time..
Good point.
While I'd never do it, the owner can do what he wants with his car. Hack away! There is no law against making unwise choices with your own property.
Sure there is, just try an burn down your own house!
BUT , if you OWN the house outright AND you are not trying to collect on insurance you could burn your house down to your hearts content, though the greennazi's might take issue with you adding to global warming
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