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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
[Re: srt]
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10/11/10 12:26 AM
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It's hard for me to comprehend the owners actions.
Simple,.....he's enjoying his hobby,....it's a racecar, a machine, nothing more, as it was treated from day one, why should it be any different today,..........or should it be "restored" to OE/stock condition so that it can sit in a "collection", or rolled on/off the trailer in tire "booties" to the OE Gold tent for Judging? 
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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10/11/10 06:41 AM
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So the guy has owned the car since 1968, as much as everyone may not like it it's is his car.
Why should he have to sell it to appease others?
Apparently it's always been a race car, so what has changed?
The constant bickering about what cars are worth is one of the things that have taken the fun out of the hobby and made it more like a business.
The love of the cars used to be what motivated people to have them and actually drive and race them.
That being said, I would return it to the as raced in the 60's look.
But as stated, it's his car.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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10/11/10 07:13 AM
10/11/10 07:13 AM
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So the guy has owned the car since 1968, as much as everyone may not like it it's is his car.
Why should he have to sell it to appease others?
Apparently it's always been a race car, so what has changed?
The constant bickering about what cars are worth is one of the things that have taken the fun out of the hobby and made it more like a business.
The love of the cars used to be what motivated people to have them and actually drive and race them.
That being said, I would return it to the as raced in the 60's look.
But as stated, it's his car.
 I couldn't agree more! The bottom line is that something is only worth what someone else will pay you for it. Obviously he does not care about selling it, and I don't see anyone here that was trying to buy it. Rather I just see a bunch of armchair car restorers. Sputnik, you're right, cars are for driving, and that's the biggest reason to own one. As for selling it or restoring it a certain way to appease others, you're right there too. It's his car and nobody else's. Explain to me how that's anybody else's business... 
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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10/11/10 07:33 AM
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Greg, I see your point. But once again, why didn't a prospective custodian with a pile of money try to go buy it and save it? While I do indeed agree that some things should be maintained for historical value, the fact remains. It's a Mopar. It's not a Duesenberg.
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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10/11/10 08:05 AM
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In another 50 years that Mopar will be a Deusie.
One more thing, think about this statement. In 50 years that Mopar will be a Duesie? Hardly. While I do love Mopar, the hard truth is that a Mopar isn't a pimple on a Duesenberg's azz. A Duesenberg was a very highly crafted car, built by true craftsmen, and it shows. The Mopars were not. But the difference is that the Mopars are way more affordable by comparison. I stand by my original point that is the addage of hot rodders and racers: "it takes a man to restore a car, but a real man will cut one up."
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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10/11/10 08:12 AM
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It's still just a car, admittedly a rare version, but just a car.
I'm not sure that anyone would be willing to pay the price numbers that have been thrown around here for the car.
66 and 67's seem to be the red headed step child of the Hemi B-Bodies.
If it's got a documented race history with a big name it helps, but it doesn't look like that's the case.
In the grand scheme of things in a few hundred years no one will really care about the old cars we cherish.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked!
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10/11/10 09:51 AM
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Well, there is another "just when you thought you've heard it all" stories. I can't believe that in this day of instant information a person would not figure out what this car is/was and not pick another path to travel down with it. He should have flipped it got and good portion of his race car financed for free. Hell, I'd have given or found him a good body if it would have saved the car. No doubt the best example of a shortsighted action taken on a car I've heard of all year or longer. Now off to save a lowly 440 car.
1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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10/11/10 09:53 AM
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I'm not sure that anyone would be willing to pay the price numbers that have been thrown around here for the car.
66 and 67's seem to be the red headed step child of the Hemi B-Bodies.
The reason for my  comments was due to a rare piece of Mopar history being damaged, sure, the value hit also came to mind but it was a distant second place. However, concerning your comment about 67's not being worth all that much? This year, bad economy and all I personally witnessed the sale of one example sell for $500,000, granted it was no run of the mill example, but it was a very similar 67 Hemi car, Is that enough for you?
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac
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10/11/10 10:46 AM
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The guy bought this car in 1968 for $300. He knows what it's worth now and doesn't care... It's not about value to him, it's about doing what he wants to his own car...
I could'nt do it, BUT I wouldn't condem the man for it for doing what He wants to His car either.
Owning it this long , It obviously has sentimental value. So replacing it with something else would not be the same.
Look at it this way, it's no different than doing a full blown OE level restoration on a non-desirable/valuable car. For some it's not about the money.
Case in point, I'm trying to get the job to resurect a 1972 Olds Cutlass convertible - just a 350 2 bbl car. it's a nothing special car to most people. But the man has owned it for about 25 years. He bought it in High School, drove it all thru college, dated his now wife in it. I told him he could buy one done for less money, His reply was - Yea, but it's not this car.
btw, I know people who can replace the mods to this particular car , and if you didn't see them do it, you could not tell .
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