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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: SNK-EYZ] #826485
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Since when do we look to the law for moral guidance?

It's legal for me to gain 250lbs., buy a yellow Speedo, and walk down Venice Beach. Perfectly legal. But that don't make it right, brother.

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: GregCon] #826486
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There's nothing morally wrong with him modifying his car.
We may not agree with his choice, but it's not for us to tell him what to do with his car.

Last thing I knew people still had the freedom to do what they want with their own property as long as it doesn't endanger others.


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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: SNK-EYZ] #826487
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I agree fully. I gave you a fair chance to see the light. I'm eating a bacon cheeseburger right now and perusing the Speedo catalog.

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: GregCon] #826488
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I agree fully. I gave you a fair chance to see the light. I'm eating a bacon cheeseburger right now and perusing the Speedo catalog.




bacon cheeseburger.
Now I'm hungry and it's your fault.

BTW, I don't agree with what he's doing either.


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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: SNK-EYZ] #826489
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It's a shop owners own descision on what jobs he takes on. I checked out the shops www site and seems they have plenty of work. I based my comment on what the guy that knows the shop owner posted above: the shop owner attempted to talk the hemi killer out of it, yet he took the job on. If he felt strongly about it, tell the guy to take a hike.
It obviously was a descision based on money, not what he felt was right.
Just in case it comes up, yes, I have turned down jobs (not car oriented, but engineering) because the owner wanted something I did not feel was appropriate.

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: SNK-EYZ] #826490
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hipocrites !!! it's not ok to cut up a hemi but it is ok to cut up a 318 ?? who made you guys the gods of all things mopar with the power to judge who lives and dies ! custodians of history ?? come on, the guy can do whatever he pleases to the car he owns, the more people he pisses off in the process the more he's succeded in what he's done...
would I do it myself...no way, I'd buy an exact donor cut it up and put the tags on it, then i'd run a 427 corvette tripower with a ford 9 inch so I could go to all the shows and piss everyone off... hmmmmm maybe he's smarter than you all think... doesn't sound like too much modifiaction going on anyway....easy to put back to original if one desired...

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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: SNK-EYZ] #826491
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There's nothing morally wrong with him modifying his car.
We may not agree with his choice, but it's not for us to tell him what to do with his car.

Last thing I knew people still had the freedom to do what they want with their own property as long as it doesn't endanger others.




Exactly... To you guys that would have "refused this job", I have to laugh. If you owned a grocery store would you not sell Broccoli because you don't like it?? If you owned an auto parts store would you not sell Hyundai parts because they are toilets?? If you owned a gym would you not let fat people in because they are slobs?? It's called staying in business..

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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: JB666] #826492
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the value of this car is probably low 30,s at best with its hemi intact..yes its rare but being a 66-7 B body they aren't really high on the collectability scale..i agree its a shame he did it but it just makes the other one the ONLY good one! so i,m sure he,s happy now! dan

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: ph23vo] #826493
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the value of this car is probably low 30,s at best with its hemi intact




Dan my friend, you are DREAMING!

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #826494
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the value of this car is probably low 30,s at best with its hemi intact




Dan my friend, you are DREAMING!




I'll 2nd that! Yes, 66-67 hemi cars are on the lower end of collector scales, but we here are talking about a car that was not supposed to have ever been built and that brings it way up the collectable/value scale. Being a 4 speed/Dana car is just frosting on the ubber rare cake!

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: hemi70se] #826495
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its worth half that right now...

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: ph23vo] #826496
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its worth half that right now...




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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: JohnRR] #826497
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Isn't there someone on here the says "You just need that one buyer"?







Would the average collector pay big $$$$$ for it? No.

Would someone into it's rarity pay big $$$$ for it? Maybe, but that's a very small group of people.



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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: SNK-EYZ] #826498
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As human beings with a moral conscience it is only natural for us to try to help others from making mistakes, mostly through lessons that we ourselves have learned over life. Whether it is a small child who is going to touch something hot and get burned or an adult who is smoking we only want to help. That said, the receiver of the the advise may ignore what is said and suffer the consequences. It happens and all we can do is try.

I also agree that it is a shame what is happening to this rare car but all you can do is offer the owner advise. All the things I have read make great since to me, especially the money point, but if the owner decides to cut the car up then what can you do. All you can say is you did try. IMHO.


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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: jeff968] #826499
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Wow, I'm not going to read this whole thread but I see someone modified their car. Oh well, I bet now he'll use it instead of it just sitting for 30 years or so.

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: jeff968] #826500
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I bought my little boy a limited production diecast car when he was younger and paid good money for it and when I gave it to him I told him he needed to be very careful with it. It was hard to find but he was the one that saw a photo of it and wanted it. Usually I put them away in a safe place or display them on a shelf too high for him to get to when they are rare or cost more than an average diecast but he wanted it and he only got it with the exception that his next report card was a good one. He made the Honor Roll with all A's and one B so he earned it. Sure enough I came home from work one evening and he was still on the computer with the Photoshop program still making more decals and artwork to decorate his rare diecast car just the way he liked it At first I was going to go off on him with......well with all of the stupid comments in this thread about how rare and how much it WAS worth and........but when he turned to me with this big smile and said "Hey dad look at how nice my car is now, just the way I wanted it to be" that was worth more than that piece of metal would ever be worth by a million.

He didn't burn his fingers, he didn't light up a cigarette, he didn't hurt anyone, he just did what made him happy. I have a bunch of diecast cars just sitting in boxes or on shelves not doing anything but collecting dust, my kid has a diecast car that he still enjoys the heck out of and "It's pretty cool, eh dad?".


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People make their own choices, despite our best well-intentioned advice, for many reasons but making themselves happy is probably the best one.


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I bought my little boy a limited production diecast car when he was younger and paid good money for it and when I gave it to him I told him he needed to be very careful with it. It was hard to find but he was the one that saw a photo of it and wanted it. Usually I put them away in a safe place or display them on a shelf too high for him to get to when they are rare or cost more than an average diecast but he wanted it and he only got it with the exception that his next report card was a good one. He made the Honor Roll with all A's and one B so he earned it. Sure enough I came home from work one evening and he was still on the computer with the Photoshop program still making more decals and artwork to decorate his rare diecast car just the way he like it At first I was going to go off on him with......well with all of the stupid comments in this thread about how rare and how much it WAS worth and........but when he turned to me with this big smile and said "Hey dad look at how nice my car is now, just the way I wanted it to be" that was worth more than that piece of metal would ever be worth by a million.

He didn't burn his fingers, he didn't light up a cigarette, he didn't hurt anyone, he just did what made him happy. I have a bunch of diecast cars just sitting in boxes or on shelves not doing anything but collecting dust, my kid has a diecast car that he still enjoys the heck out of and "It's pretty cool, eh dad?".


MikeR




Best post I've read in quite a while. Puts a new perspective on things...

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: jeff968] #826503
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People make their own choices, despite our best well-intentioned advice, for many reasons but making themselves happy is probably the best one.




I don't see much WELL-INTENTIONED advice calling the owner a RETARD or an IDIOT or any other of the derogatory ADVICE being given. I think what upsets the holier than thous giving this well intentioned advice is that it's not a hacked up race car that's being treated to a HO HUM BORING CONCOURSE INCORRECT HACKJOB resto. I applaud the guy for doing what he wants to HIS car, before that thread hardly anyone knew the car even existed.

Heck maybe I'll put the Hemi in my 56k original mile, MATCHING number everything, DATE CODE everything, 383, 4 speed, GTS.

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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: JohnRR] #826504
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I don't see much WELL INTENTION advice




You certainly can think what you want but I think most who have responded to the thread are just fans of this valuable car. Yes, they go about giving advise in different ways but in the end the owner will do what he wants and that is his choice.


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