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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: JohnRR] #826505
10/13/10 10:43 PM
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Heck maybe I'll put the Hemi in my 56k original mile, MATCHING number everything, DATE CODE everything, 383, 4 speed, GTS.




no you wont...

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: jeff968] #826506
10/13/10 11:29 PM
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I don't see much WELL INTENTION advice




You certainly can think what you want but I think most who have responded to the thread are just fans of this valuable car. Yes, they go about giving advise in different ways but in the end the owner will do what he wants and that is his choice.






While I'm not a "fan" of this car, or the "beliefs" a few have on the subject, I just hope this is the end of all the......

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: DAYCLONA] #826507
10/14/10 12:02 AM
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It's interesting on how a subject can be distorted into something it is not.
Some would rather see the car keep it's heritage, others would rather see it something else, or simply don't care. I simply do not see whining going on.
Wouldn't it be boring if we all thought alike?
Out of curiosity, has your buisness cloned any original hemi cars into a superbird or daytona?
Has anyone come to you requesting you take off all this stuff off my car that makes it look like a wedge with a handle?
Probably not.
Wouldn't you agree that such a request would be aberrant?
I think most of the detraction of what the owner has done fits in with the questions I've presented to you.

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: srt] #826508
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It's interesting on how a subject can be distorted into something it is not.
Some would rather see the car keep it's heritage, others would rather see it something else, or simply don't care. I simply do not see whining going on.
Wouldn't it be boring if we all thought alike?
Out of curiosity, has your buisness cloned any original hemi cars into a superbird or daytona?
Has anyone come to you requesting you take off all this stuff off my car that makes it look like a wedge with a handle?
Probably not.
Wouldn't you agree that such a request would be aberrant?
I think most of the detraction of what the owner has done fits in with the questions I've presented to you.








While not "original" HEMI cars that I know of,.......I've had a good number of customers who have converted 69 Charger 500's into Daytonas, V code 70 RoadRunners into Birds,...along with an assortment of RT's, SE's,....and U coded cars, including a few sunroof cars, AC 4 spd cars,etc.....plus I converted/cloned/customized a lot of so-called "numbers" cars over the last 30+ years,....and I never "refused" work or the sale of parts based on the fact of what the customer was doing to their car, in fact I encourage others to do what they want with THEIR car, regardless of its "pedigree" or "heritage",....as I veiw an automobile as merely a machine, nothing more,....in fact I have a "numbers matching" Cuda in my shop undergoing a conversion to Shaker 440/6, Dana, etc

Mike

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: HPMike] #826509
10/14/10 07:12 AM
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...But lets face it if it was up for sale for 100K as is it would be on the WIW board with people saying it's worth 20k tops...








Aint that the truth!



I couldn't agree more! It's sad but true. If that car was fully restored to stock and was for sale for 50k Moparts members would have a field day knocking the owner for asking 50k because "it's the lowest valued car", "66/67 are not worth that much", "the owner should put down the crack pipe","he must think it's 2006", you get my drift. I personally would never have done that to any factory Hemi car, but that's just me...It's up to the current owner to do what he wants with his/her car.

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: DAYCLONA] #826510
10/14/10 09:31 AM
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While not "original" HEMI cars that I know of,.......I've had a good number of customers who have converted 69 Charger 500's into Daytonas, V code 70 RoadRunners into Birds,...along with an assortment of RT's, SE's,....and U coded cars, including a few sunroof cars, AC 4 spd cars,etc.....plus I converted/cloned/customized a lot of so-called "numbers" cars over the last 30+ years,....and I never "refused" work or the sale of parts based on the fact of what the customer was doing to their car, in fact I encourage others to do what they want with THEIR car, regardless of its "pedigree" or "heritage",....as I veiw an automobile as merely a machine, nothing more,....in fact I have a "numbers matching" Cuda in my shop undergoing a conversion to Shaker 440/6, Dana, etc

Mike





That reminds me, who's wing and nose cone did you put on Mr. Angry's Daytona clone? I've asked before but you've never answered?

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: srt] #826511
10/14/10 10:21 AM
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It's interesting on how a subject can be distorted into something it is not.
Some would rather see the car keep it's heritage, others would rather see it something else, or simply don't care. I simply do not see whining going on.
Wouldn't it be boring if we all thought alike?





ding ding ding ... WINNER

The problem is much of the WELL-INTENTIONED advice is being given because the owner in NOT falling in line with the rest of the SHEEP.

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: DAYCLONA] #826512
10/14/10 10:40 AM
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I can understand what you are doing as work can be un-done without too much difficulty (unless you install window plugs as well?).
Sure the subject car can be un-done, yet with much work, likely won't.
Keep in mind this car was a low mileage (unrestored?) car prior to ths work.
I would be nice if the shop photographed and documented the car on it's disassembly. This, keeping in mind they're origial only once.
I wonder how other racers feel about the conversion?

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: 318 Stroker] #826513
10/14/10 10:46 AM
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I bought my little boy a limited production diecast car when he was younger and paid good money for it and when I gave it to him I told him he needed to be very careful with it. It was hard to find but he was the one that saw a photo of it and wanted it. Usually I put them away in a safe place or display them on a shelf too high for him to get to when they are rare or cost more than an average diecast but he wanted it and he only got it with the exception that his next report card was a good one. He made the Honor Roll with all A's and one B so he earned it. Sure enough I came home from work one evening and he was still on the computer with the Photoshop program still making more decals and artwork to decorate his rare diecast car just the way he like it At first I was going to go off on him with......well with all of the stupid comments in this thread about how rare and how much it WAS worth and........but when he turned to me with this big smile and said "Hey dad look at how nice my car is now, just the way I wanted it to be" that was worth more than that piece of metal would ever be worth by a million.

He didn't burn his fingers, he didn't light up a cigarette, he didn't hurt anyone, he just did what made him happy. I have a bunch of diecast cars just sitting in boxes or on shelves not doing anything but collecting dust, my kid has a diecast car that he still enjoys the heck out of and "It's pretty cool, eh dad?".


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Best post I've read in quite a while. Puts a new perspective on things...




i second that , nicely put mike...


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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: smac77] #826514
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Nice story, but irrelevant. Now, if you gave your kid an original vw bus, or 68 charger in the blister pack that you had kept for 40 years and he ripped it open and did the same thing would anything change?
Sure you could buy another because there are hundreds, if not thousands floating around.
Could you put it back in the package, sure, although it really would never be the same.
This discussion could go on forever with any number of variables. To remain pure to the point the owner modified a low mileage piece of automotive history.
Some feel it was negligent, others feel fine with it.
No big problem and nothing will change the thoughts of those that posted here.
I'm sure there are numbers of others that have read the thread that refrain from posting their feelings, or, care less what some guy did to his car.
Personally, I feel it's a shame.

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: srt] #826515
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After he cut the floor all up and put a 9" ford rear in it whats next a big block chevy under the hood? Nothing wrong with that its his car right?

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: 69Cuda340S] #826516
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That's funny actually. I was thinking a day or so ago that if the owner reads this thread he just might put a brand-X under the hood just for spite. To me it really wouldn't matter now.
Now if I could only find a Daytona to pull the wing and nose off so I could drill some holes in it and add some ground effects...

Sheldon

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Fifty years from now, no one will care.

1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan Hacked! [Re: TooMany62s] #826518
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It's to bad that he cut-up such a rare car but whats done is done. Now I hope he lays down some good et's with it, does anyone here know what size bullet he's going to be using.

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: TooMany62s] #826519
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In 1960 - that's 50 years ago - no one cared if someone took an outdated Packard V12 touring car and turned it into a pickup truck for snow plow service. Later, people began to care.

In the early 1900's, the Alamo was used as a storage warehouse for agriculture. Today it is a shrine to the people who died there and don't get caught going pee-pee on it.

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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hacked! [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #826520
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So what gives the person on that link the right to go down to a chassis shop, snap photos of someones car and post it all over the internet?
It's nobodies business what the car is, or who owns it, or what the owners intentions are.

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: GregCon] #826521
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Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: 65pacecar] #826522
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Why is everyone so upset about a car being cut up.Its just another toyota with a bad paint job right? This car should be left alone. The estimate of 30k for it with a hemi cannot be right.I think if it was offered for sale without engine and trans it would be worth 30k easily. As some have said maybe he wants to piss people off well it worked. Its not my car but he should offer it up for a price that would make him happy and all the other mopar fans happy. Why not put it up for auction with a huge reserve and see what its value is before he cuts on it? And I didnt call any names.

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: cudanut] #826523
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It's a shame but It's obviously a life long dream to build a car like this and the money or value is not what will please him as having an awesome race car. It's probably too much trouble finding another straight and rust free body. Plus his has a history compared to a slant 6 Belvedere clone. You can see how someone might rationalize such a decision. You can start the build with no waiting right away. Of course, you could probably build an identical car just with the proceeds of selling this one. The real Hemi car will not be any faster or look any different than a clone would. It's just a bird in the hand and it saves a lot if time and trouble for him. I would trade my numbers matching, rotisserie restored 69 4 speed fastback for it. It's still on casters waiting to be assembled! Worth a try?

Re: 1 of 2 Known 67 Hemi 4 Speed Belvedere Sedan - Hac [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #826524
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It is just another case of selfishness, it is rampant in this country and will be the death of it. We are just caretakers of the rare art that we own and nobody gets out of this alive. If you think you own your house or any other property after it is paid off, you are sorely mistaken. What a shame...


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