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.040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? #70689
06/09/08 10:54 PM
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Long story short, I had a bad set of Crane Rocker adjusters in a set of Gold 1.5 rockers. The adjusters ate themselves away, and the engine lost oil pressure.


I took the engine down tonight and it lokks... errr BAD!

The 1968 Block is already bored .030 over in the piston bores, and the crank is turned .010 under already.

Would it be stupid to go to .040 on the bores and .020 on the crank? I know alot of folks say .030 is max on the bores, and I have no idea on the crank!

If I could save this engine with a rebuild it would be GREAT!

I have a place in my heart for this revin' 383!

Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: redmist] #70690
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You can turn the crank as far as you need to so long as somebody makes a bearing set for it. I would not worry about that at all.

The machine shop can sonic test the cylinder wall thickness beforehand. I don't know anything about the wall thickness on a typical 383 as far as how big you can go.

Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: redmist] #70691
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If I could save this engine with a rebuild it would be GREAT!
I have a place in my heart for this revin' 383!


You're in goood shape all you need is time & money & it sounds like that is not a problem for you in this case.


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Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: RapidRobert] #70692
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I am looking at this kit for my rebuild:

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=FEM%2DCSMHP738%2D422&view=128&N=700+115

I would like to get higher compression then this kit offers and I would like to use a set of Edelbrock 84cc heads...

Also quench is a factor as well, and I am still learning about that...!

I guess I may be better off specing all the parts myself instead of getting a kit like this.

So many options!

Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: redmist] #70693
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Also quench is a factor as well, and I am still learning about that...!


I am a firm believer in quench & I highly suggest you get the correct pistons.


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Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: RapidRobert] #70694
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Looking around, I guess I could go with a stroker kit from a place like Muscle motors. Or I will have to have a company custom make a set for me...


Good thing I have bunch of parts off the trashed motor!!!

This is going to get expensive!

Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: redmist] #70695
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This is going to get expensive!


yes it will. You might contact Andyf here,he would be a good person to talk to for stroker advice.


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Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: RapidRobert] #70696
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The key is a comination of machining and piston choice. Going .040 over is nothing in a stock stroke engine. Those that say otherwise are new at this game. .020 on the crank is not a huge deal either, unless you are planning to really hammer on it in a heavy car. Get decent pistons, and have the block milled to 0 deck for whatever you buy. A warning, that may take a bit of milling...lol They now make B wedge drop in stroker kits too, but, without sonic testing the block, I wouldnt go that route. I know some stout 383s that out run poorly engineered RB strokers. Sometimes it doesnt pay to spend.


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Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: moper] #70697
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The key is a comination of machining and piston choice. Going .040 over is nothing in a stock stroke engine. Those that say otherwise are new at this game. .020 on the crank is not a huge deal either, unless you are planning to really hammer on it in a heavy car. Get decent pistons, and have the block milled to 0 deck for whatever you buy. A warning, that may take a bit of milling...lol They now make B wedge drop in stroker kits too, but, without sonic testing the block, I wouldnt go that route. I know some stout 383s that out run poorly engineered RB strokers. Sometimes it doesnt pay to spend.



Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: MoparforLife] #70698
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Just ordered my pistons for my 383...

L2315F .040 Block will be zero deck...People have been telling me .030 has to come off but to get the CR it has to be done...

My crank is .010/.010

Oh yea and i'm goin from a .030 bore to a .040 so mine can be plate honed


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Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: z1bigtom] #70699
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i only had totake .018 off to get zero ...

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Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: redmist] #70700
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They mains on mopars are bigger than most Chevys so turning them under size isnt the deal. Reheat treating them is expensive and not that many places do it. But I've built 3 451 strokers using stock 440 cranks all were in the 600+ HP range . One of the nice parts of the 440 crank in the 383/400 block is that you cut down the counter weights to clear the block. This takes almost 4 lbs off the crank. With Eagle rods(I know Chinese) or other after market rods and Diamond pistons the bob weight comes down to under that of a stock 340. How about 451 cube small block that revs good.
I havent bored to many 383s but most early engines till 68 or 69 were fairly heavy casting so .040 is no problem. My old 413 could be bored .070 over. I know a guy that sonic tested a 67 318 truck block he was able to over bore to 340 diameter with no problems .I believe that is .100. 400s though are thinner casting. At .040 I would pour the block with block fill to support the this walls. Good parts fit better and are cheaper in the long run. Kits are ussualy cheap for a reason. And its not because they want to do you a favor.

Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: redmist] #70701
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the 383 in my Charger is .040 over. No problems at all

Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: frank] #70702
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my 360 is .060 over and no probs. been beating it up for 3 yrs now.


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Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: ramcharger82] #70703
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In short - I wouldn't think twice about it. Just do it. You won't have a problem.


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Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: redmist] #70704
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About any 383 I know of will go .040 without a problem

Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: JohnRR] #70705
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i only had totake .018 off to get zero ...

YMMV




Yea i guess it needs to be assembled up and measured..Pistons will be in this week so i will know soon..


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Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: z1bigtom] #70706
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i only had totake .018 off to get zero ...

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Yea i guess it needs to be assembled up and measured..Pistons will be in this week so i will know soon..




take one piston and rod combo and move it to the 4 corners of the block , pic the number at a corner and tell the shop where and how much , whe nthey square it all 4 corners should be the same .

i had an extra 383 rod so i had my local shop hone the small end so i could get the pin in without pressing anything as i was waiting for the rods i was actually going to run to arrive from florida , but you could just have your pistons put on your reconed rods and just pick one to use ...

Re: .040 Over and .020 under on a 383... is this smart? [Re: JohnRR] #70707
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i only had totake .018 off to get zero ...

YMMV




Yea i guess it needs to be assembled up and measured..Pistons will be in this week so i will know soon..




take one piston and rod combo and move it to the 4 corners of the block , pic the number at a corner and tell the shop where and how much , whe nthey square it all 4 corners should be the same .

i had an extra 383 rod so i had my local shop hone the small end so i could get the pin in without pressing anything as i was waiting for the rods i was actually going to run to arrive from florida , but you could just have your pistons put on your reconed rods and just pick one to use ...




Great info John thanks...Just got pistons today So its off to the machine shop..


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