Argue amongst yourselves all you like. I expect more from you Tom since you seemed like a decent guy when we met years ago. I have clearly identified myself and am happy to answer questions to any aspect of these parts. In typical Moparts fashion, lots of pot shots are taken from behind the keyboards. TJP lets talk. Looks from your site you have interest in Mopars but your site doesn't say your name. Have you purchased from me in the past?