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Can a waterpump gradually go "bad"? #986611 05/05/11 02:39 PM 05/05/11 02:39 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,481 Mesa, AZ P Pat_Whalen OP super gas
Pat_Whalen OP super gas P Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,481 Mesa, AZ	Still trying to sort through my high temps. Running around during 100 degree days here with my 440 results in temps pushing 200+. I'm not sure if that's too high, but it begs a question. My radiator is a new 3 core, the electric fan I've got on it does not cover the entire core (maybe 75 percent of it). I know this is a problem and while I await the funds for the mercedes fan and controller, I'd like to fix any other deficient areas. Currently running a 180* thermostat and an edelbrock waterpump (it's what came on the housing when I picked up the engine). Is this style of pump, with the cast vanes, more or less efficient than the stamped vane mopar style? Should I consider replacing it? Do they become less and less efficient as they age? I'm not sure how old this pump is. I know it's silly to ask, but is that possible? Thanks for any help

Re: Can a waterpump gradually go "bad"? [Re: Pat_Whalen] #986612 05/05/11 02:42 PM 05/05/11 02:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,005 U.S.S.A.	I don't know , it either spins or it doesn't , unless the belt is slipping , you'd hear it , or the rotor falls off the shaft ???

Re: Can a waterpump gradually go "bad"? [Re: Pat_Whalen] #986613 05/05/11 03:17 PM 05/05/11 03:17 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 843 Suffolk,VA I ireland383 super stock
ireland383 super stock I Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 843 Suffolk,VA	Quote: Still trying to sort through my high temps. Running around during 100 degree days here with my 440 results in temps pushing 200+. I'm not sure if that's too high, but it begs a question. My radiator is a new 3 core, the electric fan I've got on it does not cover the entire core (maybe 75 percent of it). I know this is a problem and while I await the funds for the mercedes fan and controller, I'd like to fix any other deficient areas. Currently running a 180* thermostat and an edelbrock waterpump (it's what came on the housing when I picked up the engine). Is this style of pump, with the cast vanes, more or less efficient than the stamped vane mopar style? Should I consider replacing it? Do they become less and less efficient as they age? I'm not sure how old this pump is. I know it's silly to ask, but is that possible? Thanks for any help Pick up one of those laser temp guns and check around on your motor. I got one at Autozone for around 30 dollars and verified that my gauge was off. Make sure you have no air pockets in the system as well. I have a 3 core aluminum rad with the alleged faulty Cat housing with a Napa replaement pump and can't get the car over 180 in traffic on a 100 degree day. You should go with a clutch fan and shroud. Last edited by ireland383; 05/05/11 03:19 PM.

Re: Can a waterpump gradually go "bad"? [Re: Pat_Whalen] #986614 05/05/11 03:46 PM 05/05/11 03:46 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot
dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	At any speed will then motor then run at the temps the stat is at ?

Re: Can a waterpump gradually go "bad"? [Re: dOrk !] #986615 05/05/11 03:50 PM 05/05/11 03:50 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog Striving for excellence
Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Quote: At any speed will then motor then run at the temps the stat is at ? Dipping into the NyQuil, Doc?

Re: Can a waterpump gradually go "bad"? [Re: Pat_Whalen] #986616 05/05/11 04:30 PM 05/05/11 04:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,558 Montana F FuryUs master
FuryUs master F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,558 Montana	The vanes can erode away and pump less.

Re: Can a waterpump gradually go "bad"? [Re: Kern Dog] #986617 05/05/11 05:10 PM 05/05/11 05:10 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot
dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	Quote: Quote: At any speed will then motor then run at the temps the stat is at ? Dipping into the NyQuil, Doc? Did YOU type that out ? ... OK .... At any given car speed ...will the motor then run at the temp the stat is set at ? BETTER ? ...

Re: Can a waterpump gradually go "bad"? [Re: dOrk !] #986618 05/05/11 05:16 PM 05/05/11 05:16 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog Striving for excellence
Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Oh DOC... I figured that you could take a joke as well as you can give them! Just having fun, you know.

Re: Can a waterpump gradually go "bad"? [Re: dOrk !] #986619 05/05/11 05:18 PM 05/05/11 05:18 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	You've got an excellent rad/good pump so I'm gonna assume that it's a low(er) speed prob so I'd say airflow & as you said non elec fan in the works plus a shroud/unobstructed grill live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Can a waterpump gradually go "bad"? [Re: Kern Dog] #986620 05/05/11 05:39 PM 05/05/11 05:39 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot
dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	Quote: Oh DOC... I figured that you could take a joke as well as you can give them! Just having fun, you know. FRANKENberri ... now if you look at that first post .... if you take-off the n on the first usage of the word THEN ... it makes BESTer sense.

Re: Can a waterpump gradually go "bad"? [Re: Pat_Whalen] #986621 05/05/11 09:06 PM 05/05/11 09:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,072 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,072 Niles , Ohio	Ive tried to figure out Docs replys for years.The scary thing.Im starting to decipher them.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: Can a waterpump gradually go "bad"? [Re: therocks] #986622 05/05/11 10:46 PM 05/05/11 10:46 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot
dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	Quote: Ive tried to figure out Docs replys for years.The scary thing.Im starting to decipher them.Rocky Yo Rocks .. it is good to hear that you have FINALLY laid that fattie down ...

Re: Can a waterpump gradually go "bad"? [Re: FuryUs] #986623 05/06/11 09:05 PM 05/06/11 09:05 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 72 Pgh, PA Nino member
Nino member Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 72 Pgh, PA	Quote: The vanes can erode away and pump less. I'm not saying that this is your problem, but it happened to me once. No usual warning signs -- no leaks from the weep-hole and no shaft-play. Finally pulled it, and the cupped portion of the vanes had completely worn away to the point that they weren't pumping at all, just spinning (the curve was completely gone). I used to have a picture of it somehwere... Maybe check the temperature of the return hose to your radiator and see if it's hot/pumping... (it's not the most accurate, but I usually just use my hand and you can even feel when the thermostat opens). 1970 Dodge Coronet 1968 Barracuda FB 1970 Duster 1974 Dart 1977 Dodge Custom Van

Re: Can a waterpump gradually go "bad"? [Re: Nino] #986624 05/07/11 12:02 PM 05/07/11 12:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 587 IL . usa C cjs69mope mopar
cjs69mope mopar C Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 587 IL . usa	The Problem is the Small Electric Fan Period . I have tryed many differant fan combonations and the best one is a factory seven blade with thermal clutch fan that has a 216 ending partnumber that fan pulls over 3500 cfm if you electric is under that the car will run hot . this fan can keep a 900 hp alum hemi cool in 90 deg weather it will work for you . second best fan is a 18 inch flex a lite seven blade fan . pulls tons of air at slow speeds and flatens out at high rpm . the both will work best with the shrouwd . but have used the factory with out shroud and still works good . 1969 Dodge Charger 1969 Dodge Superbee

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