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Wayne: Good luck finding E85 around here?? I'll stick with alky. I think the 2.2 ratio is gas carb to alky injection cause there's no way I use that much more with my alky carb. 1.00 gal per 1/8th mile run, 1.5gal per 1/4mile run.

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Greg:
Methanol is the best of the three for power production. You also use 2.2 times as much of it. For last weekend I put three runs on the car and used about five gallons between the warm up and the runs.

Injectors run very fat at idle, as I'm sure you know. Stoichiometric for alky methanol is 5.5? gas is about 12.5. That works out to 2.27 times more methanol. Your results may vary
I believe i was off on how much I used on those three passes. I remember opening a second jug,,,,,,,,,,it was cool up here!

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Just stating the facts - as I and others see them.

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When you're not looking for black helicopters and government conspiricies , no doubt.
Just playin , Dog.
I love the hate.
Keep it coming.

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heres my take on E85

CRIZILLA . i can see you are convinced its not for you and i can respect that

as for me

in the chicago/nw indiana area E85 is cheap and plentiful ,2.29 a gal.

i switched cause i am cheap , i can race more than ever since it is so much more affordable.

cooler? i used to come back to the pits and always show 200-220 deg
now 180-190 tops.

power wise ? i went from 10.20's to 10.0's
best so far at norwalk is 9.89
i spent 2 years running 10.20's on gas and switched to E85 and instantly dropped 2 tenths

i have switched 5 people over and all but 1 went faster , number 5 was my old man who went 10.98 on gas and 11.01 on E85 . i never tried tuning his car and i know its fat

E85 quality? i use the quickfuel tester and yet to see it more than E85-E86 at the 3 stations i go to

racing?
go to here http://www.proe85.com/

they run an 8.90 index and you should see the show the put on

tell them guys E85 don't rock

carb cost?
you can buy a new one for E85 but then can' you sell the old one.

i just convert old ones , my first one i got off of ebay and cost me $550 including the kit and paid for itself this season all ready

lastly,
i changed the oil before norwalk and that was the only one this season and it looked no different than gas.
durability? if it breaks it breaks cause they don't last forever but i will venture to say that the fuel type was of minor concern


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The cooler running is a big plus for Ethanol, no doubt - and can be a big contributor to improving ET. Carb conversions; if your existing gas carb has interchangeable boosters, yes. Other wise, most gas boosters can't support the addition fuel needed. Durability; You start running CR's in the 14:1 range, durability will be a factor. IMO, wash-down, it's affinity for water, fuel delution, are all durability factors - difficult to measure though. Testing E85 is easy ( and smart ). The question is what do you do with it when you find out it aint 85% ethanol or it has moocho water in it?? As you said, I am convinced it is not the way for me to go right now. Don't mean I won't change my mind tomorrow. I've eatin plenty of crow over the years

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Mike, if you go with E85, you can buy it at Fleetwing, on the east side of Lakeland. It's located about a mile south of E Memorial Blvd(US92) on Combee Rd(CR659).

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You definitely get more heat energy with ethanol ( about 10% for straight ethanol

The energy content of any alcohol is far less than gasoline.
The reason it works is because it will tolerate far richer mixture than gas, and the range of A:F is wider (easier tuning, lower penalty for small jetting errors).
The ratios used are never stoichiometric, which only means that all fuel molecules are consumed with no oxygen residue. This number is useless for any performance, and almost useless for normal driving since it's too lean for cold starting and light throttle acceleration, and too rich for best economy.
Max power ratios vs. energy content:
Gas: 114,000 BTU/gal @ 12.5:1 = 9,120
Methanol: 56,800 BTU/gal @ 5.0:1 = 11,360
Ethanol: 76,100 BTU/gal @ 8.0:1 = 9,513

You get more slightly more power, because you use much more alcohol.

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You definitely get more heat energy with ethanol ( about 10% for straight ethanol

The energy content of any alcohol is far less than gasoline.
The reason it works is because it will tolerate far richer mixture than gas, and the range of A:F is wider (easier tuning, lower penalty for small jetting errors).
The ratios used are never stoichiometric, which only means that all fuel molecules are consumed with no oxygen residue. This number is useless for any performance, and almost useless for normal driving since it's too lean for cold starting and light throttle acceleration, and too rich for best economy.
Max power ratios vs. energy content:
Gas: 114,000 BTU/gal @ 12.5:1 = 9,120
Methanol: 56,800 BTU/gal @ 5.0:1 = 11,360
Ethanol: 76,100 BTU/gal @ 8.0:1 = 9,513

You get more slightly more power, because you use much more alcohol.

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To each his own I say.
Alky is for carbs as well as injection.
I won't bother to debate this again as most of the pertinent points have been mentioned. One that has not is local. If I still lived in the cold North East I doubt I would run alky. Just too hard to make heat and starting is difficult on a cold day.
South of the Mason/Dixon line it is a great fuel! I will say prices vary widely for alky across the country. We have been paying an average of $150 per drum for 2-3 years.

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Man you guys pay a lot for alcohol, I've been buying it around here for $2.00 a gallon (55 gallon drums for $105) for the past two years. 

This past weekend my wife and I both raced our cudas running alcohol - warm up both, two time trials and 4 round each on 20 gallons. All 1/4 miles passes, so that's like 14 passes.  After the last pass we keep the temp up and load them up good and warm (i like them to be 180) so it evaporates all the alcohol out of the oil. I run synthetic oil and don't change it all year, just change and inspect oil filter 2 times a year.  We put 200 to 300 passes on the cars each year.  So don't believe all the negative stuff you hear from guys that don't run alcohol.

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