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Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... #465768 09/11/09 05:17 PM 09/11/09 05:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,402 Wichita,KS B Blakcharger440 OP top fuel
Blakcharger440 OP top fuel B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,402 Wichita,KS	I just brought a complete Hurst Competition Plus shifter and install kit for my 70 Charger R/T. It will replace the sloppy abused shift mechanism that doesnt have detents in it. You guys who run 4speeds have any tips for improving the shift quality with one of these shifters?

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: Blakcharger440] #465769 09/11/09 05:35 PM 09/11/09 05:35 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 671 Wisconsin USA B Bill MeLater mopar
Bill MeLater mopar B Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 671 Wisconsin USA	I bought a new one in the spring and hated it. I had an old "sloppy" one that I welded uo the shifter rod holes and moved 'em up .300" to shorten the throw. I love it,NEVER miss a shift. sometimes sloppy is better. 5476521-004s.jpg (141 downloads)

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: Bill MeLater] #465770 09/11/09 05:40 PM 09/11/09 05:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A.	Quote: I bought a new one in the spring and hated it. I had an old "sloppy" one that I welded uo the shifter rod holes and moved 'em up .300" to shorten the throw. I love it,NEVER miss a shift. sometimes sloppy is better. moved them UP ??? Hurst LOWERED the holes to shorten the throw for the 70 B body pistol grip ???

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: JohnRR] #465771 09/11/09 05:51 PM 09/11/09 05:51 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA Jim_Lusk I Live Here
Jim_Lusk I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA	Longer lower arm equals shorters throw on the handle, not the other way (like John said).

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: JohnRR] #465772 09/11/09 06:39 PM 09/11/09 06:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,852 Rio Linda, CA John_Kunkel Too Many Posts
John_Kunkel Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,852 Rio Linda, CA	Yep, '70 is on the right, '68-'69 on the left. 5476635-Hurstmech.jpg (194 downloads)

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: John_Kunkel] #465773 09/11/09 07:48 PM 09/11/09 07:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,074 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,074 Niles , Ohio	Get a pack of Hurst clips and washers for it.I installed them in my 65 and couldnt believe how it tightened up the shifts.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: therocks] #465774 09/11/09 08:24 PM 09/11/09 08:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,982 Ansonia, CT C CJK440 master
CJK440 master C Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,982 Ansonia, CT	Make your own rods out of 1/2" steel with teflon raced ball joints at both ends. 2017 Contusion Blue Challenger T/A 392 M6 "BLKNBLU"

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: Jim_Lusk] #465775 09/11/09 10:39 PM 09/11/09 10:39 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 671 Wisconsin USA B Bill MeLater mopar
Bill MeLater mopar B Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 671 Wisconsin USA	My knuckles disagree. Real world says whatever I did works for me. Anyone interested in an almost new competition plus?

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: Bill MeLater] #465776 09/11/09 10:47 PM 09/11/09 10:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,682 South San Francisco, Ca 70sixpkrt master
70sixpkrt master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,682 South San Francisco, Ca	Call Brewers Perf. They sell Shifter Linkage Levers that will shorten the throw or make your own. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post4111971 5477194-levers2.JPG (151 downloads) [img]http://www.imgur.com/hxlGUJt.gif[/img] 4-speed 3:54 Dana 13.01 @107.93 with street tires (not hooking up)

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: 70sixpkrt] #465777 09/12/09 08:06 AM 09/12/09 08:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,402 Wichita,KS B Blakcharger440 OP top fuel
Blakcharger440 OP top fuel B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,402 Wichita,KS	Well the new shifter I purchased from Summit Racing looks exactly like my old sloppy shifter...even has the same part# The new one has the short levers just like my old one does which I have found out through this thread is not original to my 70 Charger RT 4speed car...so the new one must also be a reproduction of the 69 Bbody type shift mechanism The new one does have the positive stops already on it though. I will call Brewers to get a set of those modified shift levers as I sure would like a shorter pattern for shifting!

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: Blakcharger440] #465778 09/12/09 09:58 AM 09/12/09 09:58 AM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 671 Wisconsin USA B Bill MeLater mopar
Bill MeLater mopar B Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 671 Wisconsin USA	Forgot to mention the install kit is junk too. Best to make your own rods and keys, that way they will be stiff/not sloppy and you can adjust the ratio/throw as needed. Only expensive part is the rod ends..

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: Blakcharger440] #465779 09/12/09 11:10 AM 09/12/09 11:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Well the new shifter I purchased from Summit Racing looks exactly like my old sloppy shifter...even has the same part# The new one has the short levers just like my old one does which I have found out through this thread is not original to my 70 Charger RT 4speed car...so the new one must also be a reproduction of the 69 Bbody type shift mechanism The new one does have the positive stops already on it though. I will call Brewers to get a set of those modified shift levers as I sure would like a shorter pattern for shifting! What type of shifter do you have , pistol grip ? If so you need the one in the picture above with the LONGER levers to SHORTEN the throw . If you are comparing the sloppy feel to a NEW cars shifter feel , a trans with an INTERNAL SHIFT RAIL ... DON'T , you'll NEVER get that feel ... Last edited by Johnahah; 09/12/09 09:37 PM.

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: Blakcharger440] #465780 09/12/09 11:28 AM 09/12/09 11:28 AM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,949 land of 10,000______'s B BDS871Cuda top fuel
BDS871Cuda top fuel B Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,949 land of 10,000______'s	Quote: I just brought a complete Hurst Competition Plus shifter and install kit for my 70 Charger R/T. It will replace the sloppy abused shift mechanism that doesnt have detents in it. You guys who run 4speeds have any tips for improving the shift quality with one of these shifters? Just last summer we had the 68 Runner Hurst all rebuilt with new parts and got rid of the old ball shifter and stick. The new Pistol Grip and stick was over $225 from Hurst. After looking all over the place for one, the guy right down the road had the factory Hurst Pistol Grip and stick hanging on the shop wall. For $150 we thought it was a deal. He switched over to a V gate. With some new arms and steel bushings in the new pit pack, the Pistol Grip shifts super tight. Now speed shifting is a lot more easy. 5477958-media[7].jpg (276 downloads) Snap your neck, mega G-force launch, is all I want!

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: JohnRR] #465781 09/12/09 11:38 AM 09/12/09 11:38 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,402 Wichita,KS B Blakcharger440 OP top fuel
Blakcharger440 OP top fuel B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,402 Wichita,KS	Quote: Quote: Well the new shifter I purchased from Summit Racing looks exactly like my old sloppy shifter...even has the same part# The new one has the short levers just like my old one does which I have found out through this thread is not original to my 70 Charger RT 4speed car...so the new one must also be a reproduction of the 69 Bbody type shift mechanism The new one does have the positive stops already on it though. I will call Brewers to get a set of those modified shift levers as I sure would like a shorter pattern for shifting! what type of shifter do you have , pistol grip ? if so you need the one in the picture abaove wit hthe LONGER levers to SHORTEN the throw . If you are comparing the sloppy feel to a NEW CARs shifter feel , a trans wit han INTERNAL SHIFT RAIL ... DON'T , you'll NEVER get that feel ... I have the pistolgrip shifter and the round ball shifter that came in the kit. I did see the pic above of the mechanism with the longer levers....but I thought that those modified levers from Brewers would help shorten the throw? Since I probably will not be able to find an original 70 pistol grip shifter mechanism that is in good shape...thats why I purchased the new shifter then I could just use those small levers from Brewers?

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: JohnRR] #465782 09/12/09 04:19 PM 09/12/09 04:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,982 Ansonia, CT C CJK440 master
CJK440 master C Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,982 Ansonia, CT	Quote: Quote: Well the new shifter I purchased from Summit Racing looks exactly like my old sloppy shifter...even has the same part# The new one has the short levers just like my old one does which I have found out through this thread is not original to my 70 Charger RT 4speed car...so the new one must also be a reproduction of the 69 Bbody type shift mechanism The new one does have the positive stops already on it though. I will call Brewers to get a set of those modified shift levers as I sure would like a shorter pattern for shifting! what type of shifter do you have , pistol grip ? if so you need the one in the picture abaove wit hthe LONGER levers to SHORTEN the throw . If you are comparing the sloppy feel to a NEW CARs shifter feel , a trans wit han INTERNAL SHIFT RAIL ... DON'T , you'll NEVER get that feel ... Ahhh, wouldn't say that.... My old cuda had a brandy new Comp Plus shifter box (the B body one they sell) with my own 1/2 steel shift rods with zero slop rod ends, on a ball detent side cover. I swapped out the A833 for a tremec TKO600 with the internal rail shifter (not with the keisler or other offset linkage) and was kinda disappointed. Wasn't as "solid" as the A833 setup I had on before. The Challenger I have now has the same setup. Beautiful. 2017 Contusion Blue Challenger T/A 392 M6 "BLKNBLU"

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: Blakcharger440] #465783 09/12/09 09:39 PM 09/12/09 09:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Since I probably will not be able to find an original 70 pistol grip shifter mechanism that is in good shape...thats why I purchased the new shifter then I could just use those small levers from Brewers? Call Brewer , he MIGHT have one of those shifter boxes , or Passon , but it won't be cheap without a core .

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: CJK440] #465784 09/12/09 09:41 PM 09/12/09 09:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,043 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Quote: Quote: Well the new shifter I purchased from Summit Racing looks exactly like my old sloppy shifter...even has the same part# The new one has the short levers just like my old one does which I have found out through this thread is not original to my 70 Charger RT 4speed car...so the new one must also be a reproduction of the 69 Bbody type shift mechanism The new one does have the positive stops already on it though. I will call Brewers to get a set of those modified shift levers as I sure would like a shorter pattern for shifting! what type of shifter do you have , pistol grip ? if so you need the one in the picture abaove wit hthe LONGER levers to SHORTEN the throw . If you are comparing the sloppy feel to a NEW CARs shifter feel , a trans wit han INTERNAL SHIFT RAIL ... DON'T , you'll NEVER get that feel ... Ahhh, wouldn't say that.... My old cuda had a brandy new Comp Plus shifter box (the B body one they sell) with my own 1/2 steel shift rods with zero slop rod ends, on a ball detent side cover. I swapped out the A833 for a tremec TKO600 with the internal rail shifter (not with the keisler or other offset linkage) and was kinda disappointed. Wasn't as "solid" as the A833 setup I had on before. The Challenger I have now has the same setup. Beautiful. Not everyone is as handy as you ... or the guy that the laws of psyhics don't apply to ...

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: JohnRR] #465785 09/12/09 11:20 PM 09/12/09 11:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,402 Wichita,KS B Blakcharger440 OP top fuel
Blakcharger440 OP top fuel B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,402 Wichita,KS	Well I installed the shifter and.....it seems the shift pattern is alot tighter than the other worn out one. Maybe the other shifter is just very used and worn. I will take it out again tomorrow for a longer drive but it seems that the new shift mechanism has a very short pattern and I dont know if I want it any smaller than it is. I test it more and see how it goes. Thanks for the input guys and will post back on how it went!

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: Blakcharger440] #465786 09/13/09 05:55 AM 09/13/09 05:55 AM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 82 Spring Hill, Fl. T tecmopar member
tecmopar member T Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 82 Spring Hill, Fl.	The mechanism with the longer legs is what you want for that really short throw. I have set this up for a lot of guys over the years in just about any Mopar and a bunch of Chevys and Fords too. That mech. with the 890 and 891 side levers makes for the shortest throw there is. I have a few of the mechanisms, bolt in or slip in handle if your interested, good luck.

Re: Just purchased Hurst Comp Plus shifter for install... [Re: tecmopar] #465787 09/13/09 03:29 PM 09/13/09 03:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,285 Ohio 6 64dodge572 master
64dodge572 master 6 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,285 Ohio	We have new 1970 B-body mechanisms in stock: http://www.brewersperformance.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SM%2DBOLT%2D70B Wayne Brewers Performance Inc. 4-speed transmission and parts specialists PH 937-947-4416 or 937-698-4259 FAX 937-947-4419 www.brewersperformance.com

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