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Re: steering box 16:1 or 24:1
[Re: mcmopars]
#334043
05/31/09 11:26 AM
05/31/09 11:26 AM
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Lincoln Nebraska
RapidRobert
Circle Track
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Circle Track
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,040
Lincoln Nebraska
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The 16:1 will be a bear esp w a 13" steering wheel. I would suggest a 20:1 either a firm feel box or the 20:1 guts from MP & put it into any common 24:1 box. It'd be cheaper & I have not done it but I dont think it'd be difficult. The flaming river one is sealed w no plug to check/add grease/lube which I dont understand/care for. We went from a 24:1(stock)to a 16:1 manual box on our circle track challenger & it was night/day better in the corners,no more hand over hand excessive movement. A buddy has a 16:1 in a BB valiant & he isn't complaining but he rarely drives it. I have a 24:1 in a light 65 dart & I dont like it, too much effort & I am going to change to power!
live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth
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Re: steering box 16:1 or 24:1
[Re: mcmopars]
#334047
05/31/09 02:06 PM
05/31/09 02:06 PM
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Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,603
germany
440sat72
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top fuel
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germany
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i dont know your driving style but i can tell you from my own experience that with a 24:1 box you better pray that you NEVER loose your tail. 5 1/2 turns from lock to lock it's almost impossible to countersteer. and then, even with 24:1 it is still a bear to steer, parallel parking will make you look like a jerk (at least that's how i felt). in the end, it's a matter of personal taste. i found it my 24:1 box to be too dangerous and too uncomfortable and went back to power steering. have a firm feel stage 3 power steering pox plus the fast ratio idler an pitman arm (2 1/2 turns from lock to lock) and wouldnt pick anything else even it you gave me money for it.  btw. 16: 1 will give you 3 1/2 turns (like stock powesteering), 20:1 will give you 4 1/2 turns from lock to lock.
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Re: steering box 16:1 or 24:1
[Re: mcmopars]
#334049
05/31/09 03:30 PM
05/31/09 03:30 PM
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,468
So Cal
autoxcuda
Too Many Posts
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Too Many Posts
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So Cal
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so the 24:1 will be easier to turn?that is my big concern that it will be to heavy for street driving.what about if i use a 14 " steering wheel?
what size front tires do you have? Does your duster have a small block or big block?
13" steering wheel looks ridiculous.
A 14" wheel is pretty small too. You will have a tough time seeing the gauges. Start with 15" steering wheel. All the facotry ones are over 16"
What cars/trucks have you driven with manual steering?
If you have the 24:1 in your hand now, just run it and see if you like it.
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Re: steering box 16:1 or 24:1
[Re: Grizzly]
#334051
06/03/09 12:26 AM
06/03/09 12:26 AM
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Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 2,069
Renton, WA
GreenBlurr
super gas
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super gas
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Posts: 2,069
Renton, WA
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Well he's clearly never driven anything with manual steering.
Yes a 13" steering wheel is totally unacceptable with any ratio of manual steering. You are going to want 15" or larger in diameter. And Do not run any wider than 215 series tires on the front (trust me on this one) If you go with the 24:1, you want as large a wheel as is practical. You CAN one hand drive that, but going into curves and whatnot, your hand will end up in seemingly unfamiliar and odd places in the circle of turning. But that's just something that comes with it. Do not get 16:1 if you are not a strong man. No offense intended there, but that ratio of manual steering box is what separates the men from the boys. So you should only use that if you work manual labor for a living, or are a boxer etc.
I personally have 16:1 manual on one of my cars that i street drive all the time right now. People always ask when I put the power steering into it, because i make it look that easy. But I also have the engine compartment lightened up to less weight than a factory small block, and the battery in the trunk. I of course also run 215/70 tires and keep them around 40 psi for easier low speed turning. But I do also work manual labor for a living, and my dad tells everyone I'm built like a brick youknowwhat house, and years of practice with said box all make it kind of a special case.
Track yourself down a 20:1 worm gear if you can find one, and have firm feel install it for ya.
It'll be the best of both worlds. And for the love of god get a REAL factory/factory sized steering wheel.
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Re: steering box 16:1 or 24:1
[Re: Grizzly]
#334052
06/03/09 12:36 AM
06/03/09 12:36 AM
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Posts: 795
Glendale Az
Darryls-Demon
super stock
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super stock
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Posts: 795
Glendale Az
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I have the 20:1 box in my Challenger. 440 With Alum Heads, Alum Rad. battery in the trunk and manual brakes. Oh and so far no hood. The steering is stiff at slow speeds but is nice after that. If I was to do it over I think would have just used a 24:1 box.
Last edited by Darryls-Demon; 06/03/09 12:38 AM.
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Re: steering box 16:1 or 24:1
[Re: mcmopars]
#334053
06/03/09 03:38 AM
06/03/09 03:38 AM
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Posts: 214
Hamburg / Germany
Den300
enthusiast
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enthusiast
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Hamburg / Germany
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20:1 in c-body and a smaller steering wheel. no problem.
had the "normal" coupler in before and
switched to a flaming river coupler. steering was much easier after.
the flaming river coupler was a BIG improvement!
Hamburg/Germany
69 Chrysler 300
446cui Dual Quad
12.64 @ 110.7
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Re: steering box 16:1 or 24:1
[Re: Den300]
#334054
06/03/09 03:40 AM
06/03/09 03:40 AM
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Posts: 27,468
So Cal
autoxcuda
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Too Many Posts
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Quote:
20:1 in c-body and a smaller steering wheel. no problem.
had the "normal" coupler in before and
switched to a flaming river coupler. steering was much easier after.
the flaming river coupler was a BIG improvement!
Interesting that the change from a coupler to the flaming river universal joint actually made the steering effort significantly easier.
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