I wonder what it would take to install a used jkc box out of a trooper into an a/b/e body?

Borgeson discontinued the Delphi boxes several years ago.

They are now using new (un-welded) castings to produce Isuzu based steering boxes for Mopar applications.

I assume a bunch of boxes built around welded Isuzu castings are still in the pipeline, however.

I heard last year they were coming out with their own one piece castings.

Any pics of the new setup?

Well, i can add a little info to this conversation.

I just installed a borgeson box in my '68 Dart

I decided to pull the trigger on this because of the slop in my original box, and the leaking became a big problem..

Purchased a unit from BAC, seems to be the newer style, its a one piece casting, meaning it doesn't have anything welded to it.
It is smaller and lighter, but I still had to bang on my headers in a new spot to get clearance for the Borgeson unit, (dougs headers).
Install went well enough, I used BAC's coupler. New box has absolutely no play in the center like my old box, it has a nice feel, nice and firm.
No slop, no leaks. Also installed a new Moog pitman arm when I did the box cause its the only component in front end that I had not replaced or upgraded yet.

The problem I'm having is the steering wont return to center by itself after turning. It returns somewhat, but slowly, and not all the way to center.
You still have to straighten up by turning the wheel back to center yourself. Kind of annoying to say the least.
BAC told me I probably didnt have enough caster. So I went though my alignment last sunday. When I first checked I had 3 degrees of caster. After some adjusting I managed to get 6 degree, thanks to my QA1 upper arms. Old box return to center great with 3 degrees.
But adding more caster didn't fix the issue. Maybe slightly better.
Sent an email directly to Borgeson, They suggested backing off the adjustment on the top of the box 1/4 turn and see if that fixes it.

Nope, tried 1/4 turn, and then another 1/4 turn, but the problem persists.
Just sent an email back to Borgeson again telling them the adjustment didn't work. We'll see what they say.

is it the photo or is there a bit of an angle at the coupler in the steering shaft?

I've been tempted to purchase and install ... and try the Borgenson box (and get it through BAC with their coupler, hoses, etc), primarily interested in the reduced weight (~10 lbs?)... but the ratio is only stated at ~14:1... whereas the T/A box with fast ratio long pitman arm (and the C-body longer idler arm... aka "fast ratio matching idler arm)... seems to be the faster setup for quickest steering response. I had my T/A box recently rebuilt by Firm Feel (Stage 3)... still to drive the car as its waiting for the new SB engine.

I've always wondered IF the longer "fast ratio" pitman arm would work with the Borgenson box... and what the ratio would become.. and the resulting steering effect. I want the fastest steering response. (Using a smaller diameter steering wheel also helps.... I use an 11.5" thick deep-dish padded wheel... works great!)

Sounds great, good to know you are enjoying it. I'm still rounding up the parts for my conversion. I was going to use the Saginaw pump but now I'm considering going with a late model Type II pump instead. I suppose if I'm going to make it modern I should go ahead and make it modern.

I've considered this conversion too. Glad yo're doing it Andy. Be sure to make more than one set of pump brackets

Here is an old picture I have of a Type II pump. I didn't make these brackets but I don't know where they came from. Does anyone recognize them? I looked the other day for Mopar big block Type II brackets and came up empty.

Yes there is actually quite an angle difference between the shaft coming out of the box, and the steering column shaft
I emailed Bergman auto craft about this, his answer was that because the box is smaller
Than the original the angle is necessary, and his coupler is designed to handle the angle.

Is there any benefit to going to a type II box over the Saginaw? I'm actually looking at buying a new pump this season and haven't had any luck with junk parts store boxes. Borgeson sells them and I just planned on get a pump from them to match the steering box. They're $350 though and for that I can get the brackets and type II pump from Unisteer.

Turns out I need to use the Type II box since the Saginaw pump will not fit with the motor mount that I'm using. The outlet port runs right into the motor mount and there is no easy fix that I can see.

What are those there shorty headers?

Installed in our Ebody, 5 plus years ago. Like now, but one hell of an adventure to get it dialed. Do a search on Borgeson and read some of the older threads. Also put one in wife’s 55 T Bird. Another adventure as they had never offered a system for the Bird. Adapted a full size Ford unit to the Bird. Works well

Installation was a real pita. After many weeks finally came up with shimming of box in order to get proper toe alignment. Borgeson tech support was let me put it politely,,,,less than adequate. It was always user error until I discovered their real problem which was in machining and jigs to attach mounting ears. Subsequently others found exact same issues. Once shim was created an installed, all was ok.

I did a search for my old threads. For some reason only found going back to 2016. Those from 2014 til then are not listed. This is where main adventure and photos were.

This url will show some of my thread,,,,but only those 2016 or later. They are listed by my handle.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/dosearch/topic/0/Searchpage/8.html