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Re: Borgeson steering box [Re: BDW] #2648736
04/25/19 09:53 AM
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we make a 7 rib pulley for this power steering pump, could also make a v belt version if there is demand for it. ours has a hub so it can be installed and removed with a standard power steering pulley puller.


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Re: Borgeson steering box [Re: AndyF] #2649090
04/25/19 11:56 PM
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Turns out I need to use the Type II box since the Saginaw pump will not fit with the motor mount that I'm using. The outlet port runs right into the motor mount and there is no easy fix that I can see.

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Re: Borgeson steering box [Re: AndyF] #2649536
04/27/19 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyF
Turns out I need to use the Type II box since the Saginaw pump will not fit with the motor mount that I'm using. The outlet port runs right into the motor mount and there is no easy fix that I can see.


What are those there shorty headers? smile


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Re: Borgeson steering box [Re: 71TA] #2649557
04/27/19 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 71TA
Originally Posted by AndyF
Turns out I need to use the Type II box since the Saginaw pump will not fit with the motor mount that I'm using. The outlet port runs right into the motor mount and there is no easy fix that I can see.


What are those there shorty headers? smile


I would guess its a set of these: https://www.engine-swaps.com/Pages/ProductsType/BRB_Headers.html

Re: Borgeson steering box [Re: 1Fast340] #2649592
04/27/19 04:44 PM
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Yep, I started with some Schumacher headers and then modified to work in my chassis.

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Re: Borgeson steering box [Re: AndyF] #2652061
05/05/19 12:58 AM
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After working on it for a bit I came to the conclusion that for my car the Type II pump is the way I have to go. The Saginaw pump just wouldn't fit with the A body big block motor mount that I'm using. I ordered up a pump from Detroit Speed but it showed up damaged so now I have to get a replacement. It does look like a nice pump and it only weighed 4 lbs. I still need to order a pulley. I got the pump bracket kit from Unisteer and it doesn't really make me happy. I'll use the main plate from the Unisteer kit, toss the rest in the recycle box and fab my own setup.

I did get my steering column fully rebuilt with all new bearings and seals so it is ready to go back in the car. I'm not a big fan of how the Borgeson box is angled in the car. The steering shaft used to be a straight shot into the manual steering box but now the Borgeson box sits at a slight angle. So the coupler is going to be cycling every time the steering wheel rotates. I guess we'll see how that feels. Other people are using this box and I haven't heard any complaints but it looks goofy to me.

Re: Borgeson steering box [Re: AndyF] #2652076
05/05/19 05:42 AM
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My Borgseon box was angled deadstraight when installed at first (small sectorshaft but '73 K-member/Dart).
But after I installed Doug's headers a few years later I had move the engine and P/S around a bit to have the (stock) steeringcoupler clear the nr. 7 exhausttube. It's at a very slight angle now.

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Re: Borgeson steering box [Re: AndyF] #2652259
05/05/19 01:36 PM
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Andy,

Refer to my earlier post on the type 2 pulleys before ordering and save yourself some grief beer

Re: Borgeson steering box [Re: TJP] #2652996
05/07/19 02:12 PM
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Installed in our Ebody, 5 plus years ago. Like now, but one hell of an adventure to get it dialed. Do a search on Borgeson and read some of the older threads. Also put one in wife’s 55 T Bird. Another adventure as they had never offered a system for the Bird. Adapted a full size Ford unit to the Bird. Works well

Re: Borgeson steering box [Re: Sxrxrnr] #2653080
05/07/19 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Sxrxrnr
Installed in our Ebody, 5 plus years ago. Like now, but one hell of an adventure to get it dialed. Do a search on Borgeson and read some of the older threads. Also put one in wife’s 55 T Bird. Another adventure as they had never offered a system for the Bird. Adapted a full size Ford unit to the Bird. Works well


Could you elaborate on what you mean by "adventure"?

Re: Borgeson steering box [Re: Lou_Steger] #2653132
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Installation was a real pita. After many weeks finally came up with shimming of box in order to get proper toe alignment. Borgeson tech support was let me put it politely,,,,less than adequate. It was always user error until I discovered their real problem which was in machining and jigs to attach mounting ears. Subsequently others found exact same issues. Once shim was created an installed, all was ok.

I did a search for my old threads. For some reason only found going back to 2016. Those from 2014 til then are not listed. This is where main adventure and photos were.

This url will show some of my thread,,,,but only those 2016 or later. They are listed by my handle.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/dosearch/topic/0/Searchpage/8.html

Re: Borgeson steering box [Re: Sxrxrnr] #2653593
05/09/19 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Sxrxrnr
Installation was a real pita. After many weeks finally came up with shimming of box in order to get proper toe alignment. Borgeson tech support was let me put it politely,,,,less than adequate. It was always user error until I discovered their real problem which was in machining and jigs to attach mounting ears. Subsequently others found exact same issues. Once shim was created an installed, all was ok.

I did a search for my old threads. For some reason only found going back to 2016. Those from 2014 til then are not listed. This is where main adventure and photos were.

This url will show some of my thread,,,,but only those 2016 or later. They are listed by my handle.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/dosearch/topic/0/Searchpage/8.html


For some reason I can't get the link you provided to work. Anyway is the box you are using the welded or cast one?

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