NAG1 into an A body??
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Just like it says. Will a NAG1 out of an 06 Charger fit the trans tunnel of an A-body?? Just figured if it did it would be nice to have an overdrive with the 3.91 gears. Thanks!!
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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I have a complete 06 Charger 5.7 that I will take everything from. So it'll have the Hemi/NAG1 with the factory computer.
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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No first hand experience but won't the computer be looking for dozens of other inputs besides the engine and trans causing all kinds of mysterious errors?
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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Maybe, what else would it be looking for??
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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Maybe, what else would it be looking for?? That you ought to find out before you spend nickle one on this swap. It's a ton of stuff. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbt...found-this.html
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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Will a NAG1 out of an 06 Charger fit the trans tunnel of an A-body?? No. The NAG1 is gigantic compared to a rinky dink 904 or 727. The only automatic overdrives that I'm aware of that'll fit under your tunnel without chopping the torsion bar crossmember and/or the tunnel will be the GM 200-4R or 700-R4.
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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Will a NAG1 out of an 06 Charger fit the trans tunnel of an A-body?? No. The NAG1 is gigantic compared to a rinky dink 904 or 727. The only automatic overdrives that I'm aware of that'll fit under your tunnel without chopping the torsion bar crossmember and/or the tunnel will be the GM 200-4R or 700-R4. This was my main concern. If it won't physically fit, I won't be putting it in. I guess I will use a 727.
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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Will a NAG1 out of an 06 Charger fit the trans tunnel of an A-body?? No. The NAG1 is gigantic compared to a rinky dink 904 or 727. The only automatic overdrives that I'm aware of that'll fit under your tunnel without chopping the torsion bar crossmember and/or the tunnel will be the GM 200-4R or 700-R4. This was my main concern. If it won't physically fit, I won't be putting it in. I guess I will use a 727. Why not just cut the tunnel and make it fit ?
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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So, does anyone make a replacement K-member that uses coilovers for the A body?
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Or you could cut off the front clip, lay down new frame rails and do a complete mustang ii type front suspension. I bet you'd shed a few pounds. PATC gives the complete instructions on how to make a three wire A518od trans work in place of a 727.It is a good swap. He doesn't want to cut and the 518 won't fit under a stock torsion bar crossmember.
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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I used the AlterKtion setup in mine. I ordered it without the motor mounts welded in, so I could position the drivetrain where I wanted it. By mounting the engine approximately five inches forward of where a stock small block would mount, I was able to install the NAG1 with NO MODIFICATION to tunnel or crossmember. Of course this was a J body, so it might not work that well in your car. I had to use a rear sump pan, and truck passenger exhaust manifold, but otherwise all of the Charger stuff went in. How did you end up controlling the NAG1?? Did you use a factory computer?
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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I used the AlterKtion setup in mine. I ordered it without the motor mounts welded in, so I could position the drivetrain where I wanted it. By mounting the engine approximately five inches forward of where a stock small block would mount, I was able to install the NAG1 with NO MODIFICATION to tunnel or crossmember. Of course this was a J body, so it might not work that well in your car. I had to use a rear sump pan, and truck passenger exhaust manifold, but otherwise all of the Charger stuff went in. How did that affect the handling by shifting all that weight forward ?
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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Do keep in mind that a Hemi is about 100lb lighter than an LA motor.
Yes, the Mustang II front on fabricated rails should be pretty simple and direct, definitely another way to go. Run the new frame rails back to also act as chassis stiffeners.
The NAG1 is a 5-speed transmission with 3.59 First and 0.83 Fifth. It'd be best used with something like a 2.94 or no more than a 3.23 rear. Actually for driving around one might consider a 2.76 rear gear. This has one advantage in that, with lower numerical gears the pinion gets bigger and thus stronger.
My rule of thumb for street car standard transmissions is they need at least 10:1 combined gear ratio to start at a stop sign going uphill. 10 / 3.59 = 2.79. A 2.76 gear would work, too. Cruising speed is next. 235-75-15 tires need 698 revolutions for a mile. The driveshaft at 60 mph is turning 698 rpm. Multiply times the gear ratio to get transmission output shaft speed.
2.76 x 698 = 1928 rpm at 60. 1600 in OD 2134 OD at 80 2.94 x 698 = 2052 rpm at 60, 1703 in OD 2270 OD at 80 698 x 3.23 = 2255 rpm at 60, 1871 in OD 2494 OD at 80
Numbers I could live with.
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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So with my 3.91 gears, I'd be at 2300 RPM at 80 in OD??
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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Depending on tire size, you would be around 3000 RPM at 80mph in OD. At 2300 RPM you would be closer to 60 MPH, again depending on tire size. A NAG1 with 3.91's will be about the equivalent of a 1:1 with 3.23's. .83:1 OD X 3.91 = 3.245:1 final drive = 79.73 MPH @ 3100 RPM with a 28" tire. Kevin
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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Look up a guy named Darious, not sure if that's spelled right, he did the whole swap in a RR but tunnels should be close between the two cars. Had quite a few headaches with that swap, especially the driveshaft hookup. Car Nag has a three wing flange but the Freightliner van uses a four wing so it can move up and down with the slip type u-joint. Darius did the swap in a 70 GTX. I'd suspect that the trans tunnel in the B body is bigger than any A body. He did also switch to an RMS setup and cut the torsion bar crossmember and floor to clear the transmission.
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So, does anyone make a replacement K-member that uses coilovers for the A body?
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Or you could cut off the front clip, lay down new frame rails and do a complete mustang ii type front suspension. I bet you'd shed a few pounds. PATC gives the complete instructions on how to make a three wire A518od trans work in place of a 727.It is a good swap. He doesn't want to cut and the 518 won't fit under a stock torsion bar crossmember. If he doesn't want to cut for a 518 trans,I'm betting that front clip is out of the question.
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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Actually, the car 5.7 NAG1 uses the three bolt flange, the 6.1 and bigger uses the four bolt flange. I had a driveshaft made by The Driveshaft Shop that uses a CV joint in the front with an adapter to bolt to the three bolt flange on the tranny. They will make it to fit either three bolt or four, and the CV joint eliminates the need for a slip yoke, and makes it a lot more forgiving of driveshaft/pinion angles that may not be ideal. How does just a cv joint allow for the rear movement up and down from normal driving? When that rear drops away from the body, that driveshaft has to get longer, the reason for the slip joint in every non-independent suspension.
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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I have some pics of my build on Facebook, but I don't think I have a pic specifically of the driveshaft. If you go to www.thedriveshaftshop.com , they have all of the info. I called them and e-mailed them several times before buying it, and they were really good about explaining how it works.
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I have some pics of my build on Facebook, but I don't think I have a pic specifically of the driveshaft. If you go to www.thedriveshaftshop.com , they have all of the info. I called them and e-mailed them several times before buying it, and they were really good about explaining how it works. Ok, sounds good. Sounds like the old trunion joint from the early 60s cars.
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Re: NAG1 into an A body??
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I have some pics of my build on Facebook, but I don't think I have a pic specifically of the driveshaft. If you go to www.thedriveshaftshop.com , they have all of the info. I called them and e-mailed them several times before buying it, and they were really good about explaining how it works. Your link seems to go to a page that doesn't do anything. Is this the page you meant to link? http://www.driveshaftshop.com/Kevin
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