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NAG1 into an A body?? #2181569
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Just like it says. Will a NAG1 out of an 06 Charger fit the trans tunnel of an A-body?? Just figured if it did it would be nice to have an overdrive with the 3.91 gears. Thanks!!


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Re: NAG1 into an A body?? [Re: Prodart440] #2181577
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How do you plan on adapting the electronics?

Re: NAG1 into an A body?? [Re: stumpy] #2181587
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I have a complete 06 Charger 5.7 that I will take everything from. So it'll have the Hemi/NAG1 with the factory computer.


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No first hand experience but won't the computer be looking for dozens of other inputs besides the engine and trans causing all kinds of mysterious errors?


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Re: NAG1 into an A body?? [Re: Prodart440] #2181640
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Maybe, what else would it be looking for??


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Originally Posted By Prodart440
Maybe, what else would it be looking for??


That you ought to find out before you spend nickle one on this swap.

It's a ton of stuff.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbt...found-this.html

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Re: NAG1 into an A body?? [Re: Prodart440] #2181733
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NAG1 requires a speed signal from the ABS sensors to run the stock computers. Hotwire Auto Electric sells a tone ring/sensor setup, and re-flashes your stock PCM, TCM, ABS and FCM to work with it. Give them a call and ask for Chris Squier. He'll be able to answer all of your questions. I use his system in my 5.7 Hemi/NAG1 Mirada, and it works great.

Re: NAG1 into an A body?? [Re: Prodart440] #2182017
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Originally Posted By Prodart440
Will a NAG1 out of an 06 Charger fit the trans tunnel of an A-body??


No. The NAG1 is gigantic compared to a rinky dink 904 or 727. The only automatic overdrives that I'm aware of that'll fit under your tunnel without chopping the torsion bar crossmember and/or the tunnel will be the GM 200-4R or 700-R4.

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Originally Posted By DaytonaTurbo
Originally Posted By Prodart440
Will a NAG1 out of an 06 Charger fit the trans tunnel of an A-body??


No. The NAG1 is gigantic compared to a rinky dink 904 or 727. The only automatic overdrives that I'm aware of that'll fit under your tunnel without chopping the torsion bar crossmember and/or the tunnel will be the GM 200-4R or 700-R4.


This was my main concern. If it won't physically fit, I won't be putting it in. I guess I will use a 727.


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Re: NAG1 into an A body?? [Re: Prodart440] #2182101
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Originally Posted By Prodart440
Originally Posted By DaytonaTurbo
Originally Posted By Prodart440
Will a NAG1 out of an 06 Charger fit the trans tunnel of an A-body??


No. The NAG1 is gigantic compared to a rinky dink 904 or 727. The only automatic overdrives that I'm aware of that'll fit under your tunnel without chopping the torsion bar crossmember and/or the tunnel will be the GM 200-4R or 700-R4.


This was my main concern. If it won't physically fit, I won't be putting it in. I guess I will use a 727.


Why not just cut the tunnel and make it fit ?


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That actually makes sense, there is going to be a lot of re-engineering on the car and it isn't a collector's item anyway. Build it the way YOU want it.

So, does anyone make a replacement K-member that uses coilovers for the A body?

R.

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AlterKation will work just fine! up


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What about a gear venders?

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PATC gives the complete instructions on how to make a three wire A518od trans work in place of a 727.It is a good swap.

Re: NAG1 into an A body?? [Re: dogdays] #2182212
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Originally Posted By dogdays

So, does anyone make a replacement K-member that uses coilovers for the A body?

R.


Or you could cut off the front clip, lay down new frame rails and do a complete mustang ii type front suspension. I bet you'd shed a few pounds.

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PATC gives the complete instructions on how to make a three wire A518od trans work in place of a 727.It is a good swap.


He doesn't want to cut and the 518 won't fit under a stock torsion bar crossmember.

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If he does cut here is an idea of what needs to be done. http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/auto/28.html

Re: NAG1 into an A body?? [Re: Prodart440] #2182401
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I used the AlterKtion setup in mine. I ordered it without the motor mounts welded in, so I could position the drivetrain where I wanted it. By mounting the engine approximately five inches forward of where a stock small block would mount, I was able to install the NAG1 with NO MODIFICATION to tunnel or crossmember. Of course this was a J body, so it might not work that well in your car. I had to use a rear sump pan, and truck passenger exhaust manifold, but otherwise all of the Charger stuff went in.

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Originally Posted By Joe12459
I used the AlterKtion setup in mine. I ordered it without the motor mounts welded in, so I could position the drivetrain where I wanted it. By mounting the engine approximately five inches forward of where a stock small block would mount, I was able to install the NAG1 with NO MODIFICATION to tunnel or crossmember. Of course this was a J body, so it might not work that well in your car. I had to use a rear sump pan, and truck passenger exhaust manifold, but otherwise all of the Charger stuff went in.


How did you end up controlling the NAG1?? Did you use a factory computer?


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Originally Posted By Joe12459
I used the AlterKtion setup in mine. I ordered it without the motor mounts welded in, so I could position the drivetrain where I wanted it. By mounting the engine approximately five inches forward of where a stock small block would mount, I was able to install the NAG1 with NO MODIFICATION to tunnel or crossmember. Of course this was a J body, so it might not work that well in your car. I had to use a rear sump pan, and truck passenger exhaust manifold, but otherwise all of the Charger stuff went in.


How did that affect the handling by shifting all that weight forward ?


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It actually handles really well. I don't think those few inches made much of a difference, as the weight is still mostly over the center of the crossmember.

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