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Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 #21214 12/17/05 09:23 PM 12/17/05 09:23 PM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Another FYI 2225641-D69-23-10organosol850x1100.jpg (2938 downloads)

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21215 12/17/05 11:43 PM 12/17/05 11:43 PM
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RoadRunnerJD master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA	Your library of info is amazing! Do you think this is how the hood is done? I know that my hood is too gritty the way it is now and I'm kind of leaning toward the way it looks in the current special Hot Rod which is way smoother.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #21216 12/18/05 12:57 AM 12/18/05 12:57 AM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: Your library of info is amazing! Do you think this is how the hood is done? I know that my hood is too gritty the way it is now and I'm kind of leaning toward the way it looks in the current special Hot Rod which is way smoother. John, someone that I respect quite a lot with Mopar restoration told me to look for paint code 9407 that this may be the "missing link" for the A12 and AAR/T/A hood paint. I asked if anyone here knew what 9407 was but as of now no reply. I have this (see attachment) and the Dupont, R-M, and PPG paint chips but there is nothing on 9407 or any black except the 88L and Organosol. MikeR 2226143-D69-23-2Paintinfopage1800x1100mprtscom.jpg (1322 downloads)

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21217 12/18/05 03:10 PM 12/18/05 03:10 PM
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RoadRunnerJD master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA	I wonder if it's a PPG number? I have been using PPG Duracryl #9355 but it's just too gritty.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #21218 12/19/05 10:07 AM 12/19/05 10:07 AM
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M_code_Coop master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,562 Harleysville PA	Good info Mike. I'll check, but I think 150% is about what my paint man used to get the fine '320 grit' texture. Tom Quad from Moparts (see attached) was suggesting 125% in his application procedure. Thinning is key in this ongoing texture and sheen debate. Also attached is a variation on that TSB with instructions to 'shake well' and 'use DP-90 primer if desired'. 2229109-org2.jpg (1247 downloads) Link to Slideshow...turn the music up. http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/F39VvCq5/1/1491997 ...So when does government's A12 welfare start?..

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: M_code_Coop] #21219 12/19/05 10:22 AM 12/19/05 10:22 AM
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Fasbird master Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,912 The Dark Side	My hood paint was thinned approximately 140% and was still too gritty in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, it looks "Way Cool", but is still too gritty for my taste.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #21220 12/19/05 01:52 PM 12/19/05 01:52 PM
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MOPARMIKE69 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,644 Nashville, TN	Quote: I wonder if it's a PPG number? I have been using PPG Duracryl #9355 but it's just too gritty. That is what I have found to be the best solution to this Organisol paint situation. I painted 4 different 6bbl hoods over the years all with trying different thinner levels, temperature , air pressure etc. Always too much grit. I shot PPG 9355 and used the slowest reducer. I was able to make a normal pass, followed by a pass going across what I just shot. It goes on like primer looking like it will be rough, but it flows out and lays down really nice with the slow reducer. I let it flash and then two more passes, criscrossing. Here is a picture of the results. Not an A12 hood but it is on a plastic bubble and a fiberglass hood scoop. I loved the way it cooperated and turned out. It matches the finish on an original A12 hood dead on. 2229643-NewPaint71GTX004.jpg (1550 downloads) 69 Road Runner vert 69 GTX hard top 70 Road Runner 4 speed 70 Hemi Cuda vert

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #21221 12/19/05 05:22 PM 12/19/05 05:22 PM
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Fasbird master Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,912 The Dark Side	OK, let me ask a dumb question. Is the PPG #9355 an Enamel paint?

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: Fasbird] #21222 12/19/05 05:24 PM 12/19/05 05:24 PM
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LO23 pro stock L Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,355 maine	acrylic laquer

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21223 12/19/05 05:59 PM 12/19/05 05:59 PM
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QuickSilver mopar addict Q Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 840 Southeastern MI.	Are you sure the PPG number isn't 9437? I have some of this and it is labled 9437 organisol in which I used to restore the tail light panel on a 69 R/T Charger and it turned out perfect. Man did it dry down very nice. I can't wait to spray my hood. Not to gritty at all and just the look I want for mine!

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: QuickSilver] #21224 12/19/05 06:10 PM 12/19/05 06:10 PM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: Are you sure the PPG number isn't 9437? I have some of this and it is labled 9437 organisol in which I used to restore the tail light panel on a 69 R/T Charger and it turned out perfect. Man did it dry down very nice. I can't wait to spray my hood. Not to gritty at all and just the look I want for mine! Quicksilver, maybe it is 9437? I have to call. (Does this 9437 have a name?) MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: Fasbird] #21225 12/19/05 10:30 PM 12/19/05 10:30 PM
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MOPARMIKE69 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,644 Nashville, TN	The original PPG number was DDL 9355, the "L" means laquer. Most paint suppliers do not mix laquer anymore. They can pull up the 9355 formula in the computer and mix it as an enamel. It works much better than the laquer. That is why you can use the slower reducer. The code is correct. After using this I would never shoot the laquer Or"crap"asol again. Same correct formula just enamel. Organasol works well on small panels etc. but when you try to spray it on large areas it goes on too dry, therefore it gets rough. It leaves uneven stripes because of the over spray from the gun on a large area. 69 Road Runner vert 69 GTX hard top 70 Road Runner 4 speed 70 Hemi Cuda vert

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #21226 12/20/05 12:53 AM 12/20/05 12:53 AM
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Fasbird master Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,912 The Dark Side	Quote: The original PPG number was DDL 9355, the "L" means laquer. Most paint suppliers do not mix laquer anymore. They can pull up the 9355 formula in the computer and mix it as an enamel. It works much better than the laquer. That is why you can use the slower reducer. The code is correct. After using this I would never shoot the laquer Or"crap"asol again. Same correct formula just enamel. Organasol works well on small panels etc. but when you try to spray it on large areas it goes on too dry, therefore it gets rough. It leaves uneven stripes because of the over spray from the gun on a large area. That's why I asked the above question. Laquer and reducer don't mix well.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21227 12/20/05 05:20 AM 12/20/05 05:20 AM
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QuickSilver mopar addict Q Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 840 Southeastern MI.	This was something that my paint guy came up with and it is lacquer. It is PPG 9437 organisol. Thats what the label on the can says, it took several spray outs to get it right but I think that the look is right on. I did use a medium thinner if I remember correctly and overlapped my spray pattern probably 50 %. I never really keep track of that stuff I have just sprayed so much that I just do it.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: QuickSilver] #21228 12/20/05 06:54 PM 12/20/05 06:54 PM
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LO23 pro stock L Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,355 maine	you can also get "organosol black" 9355 mixed in dcc low gloss "concept" ppg also. lead free formula special low gloss color mix:6 pts paint;2 pts dt reducer;1 pt dcx61

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: LO23] #21229 12/30/05 12:46 AM 12/30/05 12:46 AM
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JeffsCustomPaint master J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,908 Franklinville,NJ	I just finished spraying an A12 hood with 9355 lacquer which I bought and had mixed at my local PPg supplier and i mesed it up the first time by spraying it on too heavy and wet cause of hearing all the complaints of hoods being too gritty.i had too sand it all down cause the texture all went to the bottom.This time I mixed it 150% with slow lacquer thinner and sprayed it on Medium wet and it went on perfect.It is supposed to have texture,this hood feels like 220-320 grit sandpaper and i think that is what it is supposed to look like.Use a gravity feed gun to spray it with so you can spray it with lower air pressure.Siphon feed guns require about 45 psi and i think that is where the dry or zebra stripes come into play.I used a Sata HVLP with 1.4 tip and it sprayed even and no stripes or dry spray.it looks good in my book.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: JeffsCustomPaint] #21230 01/05/06 07:08 PM 01/05/06 07:08 PM
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Danan super stock D Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 815 PNW	Good posts here. My experience is that it likes to be shot over a cured (scuffed) paint finish better than DP. Lays down nice over the paint, but is too grainy over primer.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: Danan] #21231 01/05/06 11:37 PM 01/05/06 11:37 PM
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ns1aar super stock N Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,145 ontario calif	The stuff I got says 9346 on the can went on real easy and looks good seems to have the right texture also.Used it on my AAR Last edited by ns1aar; 01/05/06 11:41 PM.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: ns1aar] #21232 01/09/06 03:53 PM 01/09/06 03:53 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	i also need to get the Organisol for my tail light panel for my 69 Charger. Has anyone used the Organisol paint from Totally Auto? Is it any good or close to what the original stuff was? thanks, Brian

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: ] #21233 01/09/06 04:02 PM 01/09/06 04:02 PM
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RoadRunnerJD master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA	A friend of mine used it on his 70 Cuda tail panel and was very happy with the results. I do not know how the original Cuda and Charger finishes compare?

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #21234 01/26/06 05:20 PM 01/26/06 05:20 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Just tried ordering the Organisol from Totally Auto and the lady said that 1968-1970 Chargers were a smooth finish and was just a semi flat black paint. Kinda contradicts what the TSB attachement says.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: JeffsCustomPaint] #21235 03/24/07 12:29 AM 03/24/07 12:29 AM
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plyrr69 member P Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 164 CH	Quote: I just finished spraying an A12 hood with 9355 lacquer which I bought and had mixed at my local PPg supplier and i mesed it up the first time by spraying it on too heavy and wet cause of hearing all the complaints of hoods being too gritty.i had too sand it all down cause the texture all went to the bottom.This time I mixed it 150% with slow lacquer thinner and sprayed it on Medium wet and it went on perfect.It is supposed to have texture,this hood feels like 220-320 grit sandpaper and i think that is what it is supposed to look like.Use a gravity feed gun to spray it with so you can spray it with lower air pressure.Siphon feed guns require about 45 psi and i think that is where the dry or zebra stripes come into play.I used a Sata HVLP with 1.4 tip and it sprayed even and no stripes or dry spray.it looks good in my book. I am getting to paint my K2 A12, do you have a pic of your hood? Because my hood is too shiny! thx David ___________________________ .......plymouth tells it like it is...!

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: plyrr69] #21236 03/27/07 03:32 AM 03/27/07 03:32 AM
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JeffsCustomPaint master J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,908 Franklinville,NJ	yes I have several pics of the hood 3394383-100_0057.JPG (1129 downloads)

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: JeffsCustomPaint] #21237 03/27/07 03:37 AM 03/27/07 03:37 AM
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JeffsCustomPaint master J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,908 Franklinville,NJ	another 3394384-100_0903.JPG (921 downloads)

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: JeffsCustomPaint] #21238 03/27/07 03:44 AM 03/27/07 03:44 AM
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JeffsCustomPaint master J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,908 Franklinville,NJ	here's another but I have more 3394387-100_0056.JPG (779 downloads)

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: JeffsCustomPaint] #21239 03/27/07 04:30 AM 03/27/07 04:30 AM
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a12superbee master A Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,310 colorado	Thanks for posting those Jeff. Do you have any shots close up that might show the texure you achieved using this technique? I can't afford this. mark

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: JeffsCustomPaint] #21240 03/27/07 06:51 AM 03/27/07 06:51 AM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	NOTE: Engine exterior area of hood to be painted with 2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AX5DX8 Black, prior to installing hood retaining parts. 1-16-69 Painters out there, does this make any sense? Are the paint codes still relevant? MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: a12superbee] #21241 03/27/07 08:38 AM 03/27/07 08:38 AM
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BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Quote: Thanks for posting those Jeff. Do you have any shots close up that might show the texure you achieved using this technique? Same here... because it doesn't look like it has any texture at all in your pictures.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: BradH] #21242 03/27/07 08:50 AM 03/27/07 08:50 AM
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dannysbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas	Jeffs hood looks like the hood of my R4 Bee I got in 74. Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: dannysbee] #21243 10/16/07 07:13 PM 10/16/07 07:13 PM
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JeffsCustomPaint master J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,908 Franklinville,NJ	hey all sorry been gone from the boards for awhile not sure if i have any close ups that show the texture. That hood was done over a year ago I haven't seen the car since I finished working on it.One of these days i need to go get some pics of the car in all it's glory with it finished in a nice scenic backdrop. I'll have to search my pics to see what i have

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: JeffsCustomPaint] #21244 10/17/07 10:37 AM 10/17/07 10:37 AM
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MLR426 master M Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,800 ILL	So what's the conclusion on what to use on AAR's, T/A's and cuda tail panels ? Thanks, Logan426

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21245 10/18/07 12:03 PM 10/18/07 12:03 PM
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cataclysm80 master C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,165 Florida	Tav

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: cataclysm80] #21246 10/18/07 02:07 PM 10/18/07 02:07 PM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: Tav Don't wait for me, I originally posted this December 17, 2005 and Jeff dug it up and it to the top. If I were painting an AAR, T/A hood or an A12 Lift-Off-Hood I would seriously look into this "Note"; NOTE: Engine exterior area of hood to be painted with 2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AX5DX8 Black, prior to installing hood retaining parts. 1-16-69 Painters out there, does this make any sense? Are the paint codes still relevant? MikeR I'm with you on this BTW Tav, you seem to be waiting for something (from me?? ) in another few re-posts of mine, anything I can do to help let me know because I'm a little MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21247 10/18/07 02:25 PM 10/18/07 02:25 PM
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RapidRunner master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,150 VA	Any were might that NOTE have come from MikeE Who knows? The Shadow Knows! But he ain't on this fraking forum! "This restoration is a test,, It is ONLY a test, Had this been an actual Restoration I would have received instructions on what to do and where to get the MONEY!" -------------------------------

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21248 10/18/07 08:07 PM 10/18/07 08:07 PM
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QuickSilver mopar addict Q Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 840 Southeastern MI.	Not sure if this helps but that AX5DX8 black seems to be an actual factory< in house> paint code. I know from working in the chrysler facility I was stationed at all of our quart cans and gallon cans of paint material all had an extra label secured over the original along with extra paint codes on it. This was to reduce the amount of lunch pail theft as you weren't really sure of what you were taking without peeling the outside label off. Just a thought. My paint supplier told me that the only codes for organisol in his books from 1969 were the 9355 which probably is correct for doing the rocker blackout as well as the tail panels for chargers etc. as listed on that TSB. He did give me another product which I had forgotten about which is called High Performance Black DDL 9381. That number has been changed to DDL 9423. I remember painting the glass hood for my dads T/A Challenger with this years ago and it seems like it might be the right stuff. I am going over to his shop and look around and see if I can find that gallon can. Has anyone tried using the DDL9423?

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21249 10/18/07 08:15 PM 10/18/07 08:15 PM
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JeffsCustomPaint master J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,908 Franklinville,NJ	Quote: I originally posted this December 17, 2005 and Jeff dug it up and it to the top. MikeR Mike i read that this thread was mentioned in Lon's thread about his hood and i seen that some people wanted to see pics of the hood i did upclose and they were after i last posted so i responded to that not to really dig it out and bump it but it is a good thread and people still need to do the organosol but sometime can't find info on it. It's a good thread to save

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: JeffsCustomPaint] #21250 10/18/07 08:46 PM 10/18/07 08:46 PM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Jeff, I'm happy that it came back up, I was just kind of responding to the from Tav, like someone was waiting for the other shoe to drop from me MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: QuickSilver] #21251 10/18/07 09:01 PM 10/18/07 09:01 PM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: Not sure if this helps but that AX5DX8 black seems to be an actual factory< in house> paint code. I know from working in the chrysler facility I was stationed at all of our quart cans and gallon cans of paint material all had an extra label secured over the original along with extra paint codes on it. This was to reduce the amount of lunch pail theft as you weren't really sure of what you were taking without peeling the outside label off. Just a thought. My paint supplier told me that the only codes for organisol in his books from 1969 were the 9355 which probably is correct for doing the rocker blackout as well as the tail panels for chargers etc. as listed on that TSB. He did give me another product which I had forgotten about which is called High Performance Black DDL 9381. That number has been changed to DDL 9423. I remember painting the glass hood for my dads T/A Challenger with this years ago and it seems like it might be the right stuff. I am going over to his shop and look around and see if I can find that gallon can. Has anyone tried using the DDL9423? Joey, for sure that is the factory paint code (AX5DX8) for the A12 hoods (and maybe the AAR/T/A too?) and then the 9407 was from memory by a good friend and excellent source and he may be off on the last two numbers because he used the "94" several times until he settled for 9407. The DDL9423 may be the "missing link" for the closest match to the hood paint MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21252 10/18/07 09:09 PM 10/18/07 09:09 PM
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beepbeep moparts member Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,252 Zzyzx Road	None of the Organosols today are anywhere near the originals, both the metallic and suede used originally is no longer available. 9381 is a Ford color that was used on the shaker hoods and scoops. Amazing how an unchallenged lie can become the absolute truth.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: beepbeep] #21253 10/18/07 09:29 PM 10/18/07 09:29 PM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: None of the Organosols today are anywhere near the originals, both the metallic and suede used originally is no longer available. From: August 30, 2007 Authentic Restoration Products from Roger Gibson Auto Restoration E-mail: sixpackfrank@aol.com Web: www.rogergibsonautorestoration.com ORGP/ORGQ Organosol - authentic black textured finish for hoods, tail panels��Qt $95.00 *ONCE AGAIN AVAILABLE* .................................Pint $50.00 I'm pretty sure this is the latest version and not from the original supply that was supposedly around for a while. Anyone talk to Frank lately about it? MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21254 10/19/07 08:50 AM 10/19/07 08:50 AM
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420SIX mopar Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 542 Buckle of corn belt ,c. lll.	Frank says their formula is made from the last of the original PPG stuff..The 9355 formula is going to be wrong.......

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: 420SIX] #21255 10/19/07 10:33 AM 10/19/07 10:33 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Not an A12 owner guys but my Roadrunner does have the black out hood treatment. Is this the same paint? Thanks guys.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: 420SIX] #21256 10/19/07 12:02 PM 10/19/07 12:02 PM
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beepbeep moparts member Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,252 Zzyzx Road	Quote: Frank says their formula is made from the last of the original PPG stuff..The 9355 formula is going to be wrong....... Unless something has changed very recently RG's organosol was urathane not lacquar. Amazing how an unchallenged lie can become the absolute truth.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: beepbeep] #21257 10/19/07 01:33 PM 10/19/07 01:33 PM
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420SIX mopar Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 542 Buckle of corn belt ,c. lll.	Quote: Quote: Frank says their formula is made from the last of the original PPG stuff..The 9355 formula is going to be wrong....... Unless something has changed very recently RG's organosol was urathane not lacquar. It is acrylic lacquer

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: 420SIX] #21258 10/19/07 10:06 PM 10/19/07 10:06 PM
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sixpaktoogo mopar S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 636 California	Quote: Quote: Quote: Frank says their formula is made from the last of the original PPG stuff..The 9355 formula is going to be wrong....... Unless something has changed very recently RG's organosol was urathane not lacquar. It is acrylic lacquer Just bought some from him a few months ago. Doesn't say in his catalog that it's lacquer, and most of his other specialty paints are enamel! I called and asked Frank what I'm supposed to do with it since my car is painted in urethane enamel. He told me that it's my painter's problem!! What a tool!

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: 420SIX] #21259 10/20/07 12:16 PM 10/20/07 12:16 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: my car is painted in urethane enamel This should not matter, since lacuer was used over enamel originaly without any catylization like is used today. simply try a test spray to make sure it does not lift on a scrap piece of metal. Your painter "should" know if he can do this or not. (I have only used it over enamel). Now to the texture of hood blackout. 1). 9423 IS NOT IT. 2). For comparison of an original fine texture which i think is being referred to? look at original untouched dash and steering column paint, you will see that it is not the same as deck trim panel paint 9355, and is comparable to the hood black out texture. 3). Could it be that there was another paint vendor that supplied product to chrysler? YES, Now which one was it? Since that mfg no longer has laquers (you will have to find a very old mixing bench and formulas), it is going to require more use of ones resourses to come up with the comparison paint. Mike I have LOTS experinece with OE textured paints.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 #21260 10/21/07 11:51 AM 10/21/07 11:51 AM
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sixpaktoogo mopar S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 636 California	Quote: Quote: my car is painted in urethane enamel This should not matter, since lacuer was used over enamel originaly without any catylization like is used today. Lacquer was able to be applied over factory paint because it was baked enamel, not fresh urethane. Even if it doesn't lift on a test panel, I would NEVER take a chance on spraying lacquer over a freshly enameled car, catylized or not!

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: sixpaktoogo] #21261 10/21/07 01:04 PM 10/21/07 01:04 PM
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Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,682 Hamtramck, PA	Larger scan of the TSB at this link; http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/TSBs/1969/D69-23-10.jpg

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: Alaskan_TA] #21262 10/21/07 01:15 PM 10/21/07 01:15 PM
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420SIX mopar Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 542 Buckle of corn belt ,c. lll.	Has anyone used the ppg enamel fromula, and compared to a known original A-12 ?

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: 420SIX] #21263 01/29/08 02:32 PM 01/29/08 02:32 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I have used both the PPG Duracryl Organosol and the PPG DCC urethane Organosol.I also have several examples of original Organosol on my original paint 69 Road Runner fender and 69 Charger tailpanel,as well as other original paint Organosol finishes I have studied.Here's what I found: PPG Organosol mixed in DCC urethane is very close.Nice semi smooth finish and semi flat black finish.Closely matches original Chrysler finish which is actually metallic flat black. PPG organosol mixed in Duracryl lacquer produces a gritty finish more like dash panels etc.While it is a cool finish,it is not correct in my opinion.I have seen original AAR cudas,A12 cars and V21 Road Runners,Chargers and 71 Dusters etc,and they never had the gritty finish like we see on the show cars nowdays. Yes the textured organosol looks cool-but it does not look correct to me.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 #21264 01/29/08 04:10 PM 01/29/08 04:10 PM
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dstryr master Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,966 Wendy, I'm home.	Quote: PPG Organosol mixed in DCC urethane is very close.Nice semi smooth finish and semi flat black finish.Closely matches original Chrysler finish which is actually metallic flat black. The original paint on my A12 Roadrunner hood matches your description to a 'T'. Thanks for the comparison. dstryr, since 1986.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 #21265 01/30/08 05:01 PM 01/30/08 05:01 PM
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RapidRunner master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,150 VA	Quote: I have used both the PPG Duracryl Organosol and the PPG DCC urethane Organosol.I also have several examples of original Organosol on my original paint 69 Road Runner fender and 69 Charger tailpanel,as well as other original paint Organosol finishes I have studied.Here's what I found: PPG Organosol mixed in DCC urethane is very close.Nice semi smooth finish and semi flat black finish.Closely matches original Chrysler finish which is actually metallic flat black. PPG organosol mixed in Duracryl lacquer produces a gritty finish more like dash panels etc.While it is a cool finish,it is not correct in my opinion.I have seen original AAR cudas,A12 cars and V21 Road Runners,Chargers and 71 Dusters etc,and they never had the gritty finish like we see on the show cars nowdays. Yes the textured organosol looks cool-but it does not look correct to me. Who knows? The Shadow Knows! But he ain't on this fraking forum! "This restoration is a test,, It is ONLY a test, Had this been an actual Restoration I would have received instructions on what to do and where to get the MONEY!" -------------------------------

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21266 01/30/08 08:30 PM 01/30/08 08:30 PM
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shakerjoe master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,017 Long Island, NY	Quote: Another FYI my birthday in mopar history - yeh baby

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21267 08/29/08 03:11 PM 08/29/08 03:11 PM
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BarryBum Fruit Of The Loon B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,581 Rutherfordton NC	bump for my records

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: BarryBum] #21268 11/30/08 03:13 PM 11/30/08 03:13 PM
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TrxR super stock T Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 973 New Brunswick, Canada	So the if I read this right the DCC9355 urethane is going to be the closest match to the factory hoods? Also does this go chaulky? Is it a single stage or does it require a clear? Thanks

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: TrxR] #21269 11/30/08 03:20 PM 11/30/08 03:20 PM
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AdamR master A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,978 Bethel Ct	DCC is PPG Concept single stage. It doesnt use a clear and should hold up much better then Lacquer. I have never used it so I cant comment on how it looks.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21270 11/30/08 04:02 PM 11/30/08 04:02 PM
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gomangoRTSE pro stock G Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,489 west kentucky	This is a lil off the subject matter, but whats the correct organsol formula for the tail panels on the 1970 RT/SE cars?? I thought it had some gray in it, or am I mistaken?? Thanks Last edited by gomangoRTSE; 11/30/08 04:03 PM.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: JeffsCustomPaint] #21271 11/30/08 07:56 PM 11/30/08 07:56 PM
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ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,489 Answering the call of the wild	All you restoration experts please note: dcc9355 has no texture in it. None, nadda, Zip ddl 9355 does have the texture additive but the new texture material is not the same as the orig paint. I will be spraying a hood soon with the orig [nos] ddl9355 formula and I will post my results.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: sixpaktoogo] #21272 11/30/08 08:54 PM 11/30/08 08:54 PM
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DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,172 Mass	Just bought some from him a few months ago. Doesn't say in his catalog that it's lacquer, and most of his other specialty paints are enamel! I called and asked Frank what I'm supposed to do with it since my car is painted in urethane enamel. He told me that it's my painter's problem!! What a tool! No surprise there!.....last time I dealt with Frank, didn't have a clue what Vari-prime, or etch-primer was? ....wanted a "paint school" lesson over the phone,......won't even go into the "incorrect" parts he knowingly wanted and purchased for a customers "correct", big $$$$$$$ restoration 4849535-0000a.jpg (334 downloads)

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: DAYCLONA] #21273 07/22/09 03:06 PM 07/22/09 03:06 PM
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jrwoodjoe master Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,526 Tenn.	Just bumping this up to see if anyone has anything new to add on this subject since I will need to advise my paint guy. Thanks, Joe

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: DAYCLONA] #21274 07/22/09 07:19 PM 07/22/09 07:19 PM
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FJ5_Fish pro stock Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,294 Ontario, Canada	I have a bunch of low mile original cars - a bunch with Organosol painted areas. The stuff that Badalson sells is as close to dead nuts as you can buy if applied properly. There are not too many people that painted a lot of lacquer back in the 60's and 70's around these days. Painting lacquer is totally unique and what techniques that apply to acrylic urethane, base-clear etc. does not look right with laquer. Original Organosol has suede (for texture) and a tiny bit of metallic in it - it's there, look. Roger did devise an acrylic urethane formula when the original stuff disappeared - it was decent but a little too textured. The stuff Frank found is good and I have used it on an A12, an AAR and a T/A and will use it on a Daytona and a 70 Charger. BTW - an earlier poster commented on Charger tail panels being flat black and not Organosol. This is 50% correct. The factory engineering shows both paints as an option for the tail panels...I think it may have depended on the plant (state law?). My original stuff also varies in texture from car to car. This is probably because of a lot of different factors - pressure, thinner, temp etc. etc. As for the person that called Frank a "tool". I could only wish for more tools like him in our hobby - I would fill my toolbox right up with those tools any day. He sells a lot of great paints - he is not a painter. He will tell you he is not a painter. An experienced painter is the only one I would ask about paint compatibility. A lot of people think if they spend 20 bucks they are entitled to 20 hours of information - He has always been generous to the hobby with information on original cars but can't afford to answer hours of questions that many people ask him (and Roger) every day. I myself have kept him on the phone with questions far too long and realize - this dude is trying to run a business and make a living. Enuff said about that - time for a beer!

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: ThermoQuad] #21275 07/22/09 08:17 PM 07/22/09 08:17 PM
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ErikR pro stock Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,202 Long Island NY	Tom, please post some pics! I'll have the NOS pint waiting for when you can tell me how to spray my car properly. Thanks again

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: DAYCLONA] #21276 07/24/09 03:23 PM 07/24/09 03:23 PM
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moparo super stock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,105 Ont, Canada	I never had to ask a paint supplier how to use the products they sell. Any painter which knows about these paints will be able to apply Franks paints. I have seen his organosol put on top base clear and acr. enamel. What does this have to do with Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 anyway? Last edited by moparo; 07/24/09 03:26 PM. performancecarrestorations.com

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: moparo] #21277 12/11/09 04:37 PM 12/11/09 04:37 PM
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Alaska_A12 master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,691 The Last Frontier	Resurrecting this thread. About to have my hood done. ANYTHING NEW TO ADD? ______________________________________________ http://regcars.homestead.com/car107.html

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: Alaska_A12] #21278 12/14/09 01:46 AM 12/14/09 01:46 AM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	I remember the question used to be "what paint was used on the lift-off-hood?" It seems that it's pretty much a fact that it was and is organosol so for those of us that have used the word ORGANOSOL and never really knew what the heck it is here is the definition: Go here and click on the little speaker [< so you can pronounce it like an expert \| V http://mw1.meriam-webster.com/medical/organosol Main Entry: or�gan�o�sol Pronunciation: \ȯr-ˈgan-ə-ˌs�l, -ˌsȯl\ Function: noun : a sol in which an organic liquid forms the dispersion medium 1. organosol definition or�ga�no�sol (�r gan′ə s�l′) noun a colloid consisting of a solid within an organic liquid. 2. organosol [ȯr′gan�ə�sȯl] (materials) Finely divided or colloidal suspension of insoluble material in a suspending organic liquid; known as plastisol when the solid is a synthetic resin suspended in an organic liquid; used for coatings, moldings, and casting of films. A dispersion of very finely divided resin particles that are suspended in an organic-liquid mixture which cannot dissolve the resin at normal temperatures. 3. Organosol... A plastisol to which a solvent has been added. 4. organosol Pronunciation: ōr-gan′ō-sol A hydrosol with an organic liquid instead of water as the dispersion means. MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: jrwoodjoe] #21279 11/16/10 01:09 PM 11/16/10 01:09 PM
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xs29j8 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,624 Fort Worth, Texas	Quote: Just bumping this up to see if anyone has anything new to add on this subject since I will need to advise my paint guy. Thanks, Joe I just bought a very expensive gallon of the DDL9355 Organosol Black Acrylic Lacquer for doing the taillight panels of my cars, as well as my Challenger T/A hood & 69 Road Runner hoods. Bumping the thread to see what the latest advice on applying the DDL9355 lacquer over a modern PPG base/clear coat paint would be. A few questions too... 1) Is a barrier required because it is a lacquer? 2) What is the shelf life of an un-opened can of DDL9355... I have another can of DDL9355 about 10 years old or so, and when shaken it sloshes around like it was just canned. Thinking about trying this old batch first, and resealing it in four quart or eight pint cans immediately after opening... thoughts? What is the oldest mix anyone has successfully used? 3) With the old batch I bought DTL876 thinner, what thinners are available now that can be used? 4) Are the old and new batch likely to be different due to substitutions of components? 5) Are other additives like hardeners, accelerators, etc normally required when applying DDL9355? Does it depend whether is a hood or taillight panel? 6) What is the latest on modern non-lacquer Organosol substitutes? Safer to apply on modern paints? Any application advice or links to good material would be appreciated. I am gathering this information to give to the painter, who has not sprayed Organosol before... Thanks... Allen

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: FJ5_Fish] #21280 11/16/10 03:22 PM 11/16/10 03:22 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,489 Answering the call of the wild T ThermoQuad top fuel
ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,489 Answering the call of the wild	Here is the latest revision Organisol Black Revised 11-2010 DDL9359 Disclaimer: I am no expert, but I am a painter and I have done my fair share of wresting with this paint. I have no experience putting DDL9355 over catalyzed paints as I was taught the arts when lacquer and enamel were all we had. When I paint it now it�s always on a primer or black lacquer surface The problem I see is this lacquer paint needs to be applied wet and thin which means a lot of solvent will try to bite into the enamel or urethane surface it�s being applied to. You must lay the paint down wet or the texture will stand up instead of lay down and you will have an extremely rough finish that attracts everything. Paint surfaces horizontal if possible Use the slowest thinner and add some retarder as well if it is above 80 degrees. If possible use over black primer like DP90 Patience. Allow surfaces to dry for at least 30 days before painting cover coats. This is important. Works best painted over a black painted surface Black DP90 is ok but black paint is better Put 2 light but wet cover coats of semi gloss black lacquer over colored primers Allow to dry at least 24 hrs or more before organosoling, Use a gun with a big tip 1.6mm or larger Cross coat the large area surfaces in 3 directions �eliminates streaking of texture diag first, short length, long length with large overlapping passes. It must go on wet! Test spray before committing to car. Practice a little. Use SLOW thinner !!!! Lay on WET! Patience!!!!! Thin 125%, 150% last 2 coats After getting full coverage of texture typically 4 coats thin each progressive coat to 150% Use your judgment Think about 6 -8 coats. Allow each coat to dry for at least 30 min. Patience. Texture must cover surface completely-there should be no gaps in the texture. The purpose of laying it on cross coating & wet is to get the texture to lay down flat. Edge it in with a touch up gun first Use fine line tape on all paint edge breaks Do the bottom side of the hood first-part of your practice Paint all other surfaces at the same time as the top side of the hood. Across the tops of the fender & across the front header panel be sure to add 1-2 extra coats of Organosol to resist wear of the paint from stones, fender covers etc.. Notes for the pic: This was real NOS organosol paint. Just to paint this hood took 4 hours. 6304603-Jan2009035lr.jpg (742 downloads)

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: ThermoQuad] #21281 11/16/10 07:04 PM 11/16/10 07:04 PM
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xs29j8 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,624 Fort Worth, Texas	Thanks for the update Tom... I was hoping you would chime in!

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: xs29j8] #21282 11/16/10 08:56 PM 11/16/10 08:56 PM
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sthemi master Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,319 Chicago Burbs	Also a Hobby painter here, Tom is right on his suggestions. Currently available thinners will work. The slowest thinner is DTL 105, I believe.. Sealing the modern paint is critical. Laquer will try to eat into the lower coats and cause all kinds of problems.. On my Roadrunner I used the DP epoxy primer with the textured Laquer on the dash, good results.. For the hood, I used the Concept version of Organisol, (DCC) on top of the clear coat with no sealer it came out looking good as well. I didnt want to risk the laquer on top of the modern paint. 6305232-PICT0752.jpg (429 downloads) Video Little Red Wagon Indy Nats,BurnoutContest

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: sthemi] #21283 11/19/10 04:49 PM 11/19/10 04:49 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,489 Answering the call of the wild T ThermoQuad top fuel
ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,489 Answering the call of the wild	I also like the use of the Concept version of Organisol (DCC) for hood treatments such as the Roadrunner & GTX. Note the texture finish is not the same as the DDL, but it is what's best unless its a 100 pt show poodle.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: ThermoQuad] #21284 11/19/10 06:54 PM 11/19/10 06:54 PM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: I also like the use of the Concept version of Organisol (DCC) for hood treatments such as the Roadrunner & GTX. Note the texture finish is not the same as the DDL, but it is what's best unless its a 100 pt show poodle. The person that painted my '69 GTX thinks the same way as you Tom. When the hood stripes were being painted I sent everything I had and everything from (early on in) this thread to him and he just couldn't bring himself to using any of the formulas for the '69 GTX hood stripes He mixed up what he felt was correct and sprayed it and I never did get the final mix info from him........so far. I think it's close to correct, well it's porous enough like I remember my RR was back in '69 for the Simonize wax to make a mess of the edges MikeR 6310001-DSC02776rs.jpg (648 downloads)

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: ThermoQuad] #21285 11/19/10 07:11 PM 11/19/10 07:11 PM
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jrwoodjoe master Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,526 Tenn.	Quote: I also like the use of the Concept version of Organisol (DCC) for hood treatments such as the Roadrunner & GTX. Note the texture finish is not the same as the DDL, but it is what's best unless its a 100 pt show poodle. Tom, thanks for posting the info and sharing it with others. Curious, what (if anything) do you do differently when spraying the DDC?

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: jrwoodjoe] #21286 11/20/10 10:27 AM 11/20/10 10:27 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,489 Answering the call of the wild T ThermoQuad top fuel
ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,489 Answering the call of the wild	You must lay the DCC on wet just like the regular DDL, with overlapping and cross coating. Then again any good painter always puts the paint down wet...that's the dance.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: ThermoQuad] #21287 09/14/11 10:29 PM 09/14/11 10:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA A12 OP Too Many Posts
A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	for someone that was looking for this MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21288 09/15/11 11:24 AM 09/15/11 11:24 AM
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dan9 super stock D Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,023 pa.	My buddy at the paint store took a lot of interest in trying to find the replacement for the original organosol. He contacted PPG and they sold me a metalic black from a newer Chrysler product and a can of flattening agent in a kinda paste form. The black metalic flakes were colored, not just the old style silver flakes. It also came with directions as to the amount of agent to be used to get to the desired finish. I don't know that it is 100% they way they left the factory but i am very happy with mine. It is hard to tell which are right but you sure can tell when they are wrong.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: dan9] #21289 09/15/11 11:55 AM 09/15/11 11:55 AM
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xs29j8 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,624 Fort Worth, Texas	My C500 taillight panel was painted with the old batch of organosol that I bought many years ago. The gallon container had never been opened, and the can had been stored in climate controlled conditions. The painter mixed the paint with a shaker prior to opening, and said it looked totally fresh when he opened the can... like it had been canned the day before. He immediately resealed the contents in four one quart cans, using one later to paint the taillight panel. The lacquer based organosol was applied without a problem: 6827606-__1969Charger500Restoration3XXX_4Pic001.jpg (409 downloads)

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: xs29j8] #21290 09/15/11 01:29 PM 09/15/11 01:29 PM
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P1970HeMICuDA super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 943 Mopar World Headquarters	Over the past few months, I have used Urethane reducer to thin some lacquer based products- results have been excellent on top of Base clear paint.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: P1970HeMICuDA] #21291 12/13/11 04:58 PM 12/13/11 04:58 PM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	lots of good info in this thread MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21292 12/13/11 05:23 PM 12/13/11 05:23 PM
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UCUDANT Troll Hunter Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,240 New Mexico	FYI A12 asked me to add this info to this post so..... I used something my painter and I found, Planet colors Rugged Tones, Black Texture (Durable/High wear) PCR2 Paint. this pic shows better than their actual paint chart sample which appeared more like bed liner. It's a modern paint, mimics organisol very well, should resist wax, can be applied over the actual paint. For those who want less texture it may be worth experimenting with

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: UCUDANT] #21293 12/13/11 05:43 PM 12/13/11 05:43 PM
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UCUDANT Troll Hunter Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,240 New Mexico	An old weathered 1972 Cuda V21 car fender close up

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: UCUDANT] #21294 12/13/11 05:47 PM 12/13/11 05:47 PM
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UCUDANT Troll Hunter Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,240 New Mexico	Same car/fender different perspective

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: UCUDANT] #21295 12/13/11 05:51 PM 12/13/11 05:51 PM
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UCUDANT Troll Hunter Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,240 New Mexico	This pic of a 72 V21 Cuda door top with trim removed was sent to me courtesty of member scatpacktom

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: UCUDANT] #21296 12/14/11 12:16 PM 12/14/11 12:16 PM
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MOPARMIKE69 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,644 Nashville, TN	For those who think that original organosol was rough to the touch, here is a pic of an original 5600 mile A-12 bee hood. You can easily drag a rag across the hood and not have any catching. This is as good as it gets for how the finish of the hood really was. 6966742-Photo077.jpg (466 downloads) 69 Road Runner vert 69 GTX hard top 70 Road Runner 4 speed 70 Hemi Cuda vert

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #21297 12/14/11 12:17 PM 12/14/11 12:17 PM
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MOPARMIKE69 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,644 Nashville, TN	Full hood shot 6966743-Photo076.jpg (559 downloads) 69 Road Runner vert 69 GTX hard top 70 Road Runner 4 speed 70 Hemi Cuda vert

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #21298 12/14/11 04:37 PM 12/14/11 04:37 PM
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dannysbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas	Mike I have been telling them the same thing for years. The A12's were hoods were not painted with the same stuff the AAR's or T/A's hoods were painted with. Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: dannysbee] #21299 12/14/11 05:47 PM 12/14/11 05:47 PM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: Mike I have been telling them the same thing for years. The A12's were hoods were not painted with the same stuff the AAR's or T/A's hoods were painted with. Danny, what were the A12's painted with? MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21300 12/14/11 05:59 PM 12/14/11 05:59 PM
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dannysbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas	Mike I don't know the code for it I just know the hoods did not have the texture that the restored cars have today. Possibly a flat black lacquer with a hot thinner. I got another question. Who painted the hoods the factory or the sub contractor that built the hoods? Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: dannysbee] #21301 12/14/11 07:33 PM 12/14/11 07:33 PM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: Mike I don't know the code for it I just know the hoods did not have the texture that the restored cars have today. Possibly a flat black lacquer with a hot thinner. I got another question. Who painted the hoods the factory or the sub contractor that built the hoods? Pretty sure the hoods were painted by the vendor (fixed it, #22)......with; "2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black," The hoods were made in Canada in Toronto. MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21302 12/14/11 09:35 PM 12/14/11 09:35 PM
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DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,172 Mass	Quote: Quote: Mike I don't know the code for it I just know the hoods did not have the texture that the restored cars have today. Possibly a flat black lacquer with a hot thinner. I got another question. Who painted the hoods the factory or the sub contractor that built the hoods? Pretty sure the factory painted the hoods......with; "2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black," The hoods were made in Canada in Toronto. MikeR The Hoods were made in Canada, but Creative was the conversion point, did Creative Industries paint the hoods?

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: DAYCLONA] #21303 12/14/11 10:29 PM 12/14/11 10:29 PM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: Quote: Quote: Mike I don't know the code for it I just know the hoods did not have the texture that the restored cars have today. Possibly a flat black lacquer with a hot thinner. I got another question. Who painted the hoods the factory or the sub contractor that built the hoods? Pretty sure the hoods were painted by the vendor (fixed it, #22)......with; "2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black," The hoods were made in Canada in Toronto. MikeR The Hoods were made in Canada, but Creative was the conversion point, did Creative Industries paint the hoods? Creative Industries didn't have anything to do with the A12's because the A12 package was an option to the base 383 RR and SB and it was mostly additions and deletions to items that were all capable of being installed on the standard assembly line. The only items that didn't or couldn't be put on the normal running assembly line were the carbs, air cleaner, hood pins and the hood/hood pin bezels, and scoop decals....the 440 engine installed just like a 383 or Hemi along with the trans, Dana, brakes, etc. just a few things at the end of the standard assembly line. MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21304 12/15/11 01:30 AM 12/15/11 01:30 AM
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dannysbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas	Quote: Quote: Mike I don't know the code for it I just know the hoods did not have the texture that the restored cars have today. Possibly a flat black lacquer with a hot thinner. I got another question. Who painted the hoods the factory or the sub contractor that built the hoods? Pretty sure the factory painted the hoods......with; "2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black," The hoods were made in Canada in Toronto. MikeR And there ls the problem everyone is pretty sure but no one knows for sure. The hoods could have been been painted by the supplier possibly the factory. Could have been organisol or possibly the paint they used for the blackout on the front of the cars. Until someone finds someone that was involved in the building of the cars and painting of the hoods, I will have to believe in what I found on the A12 car I purchased in 1974 and the original hoods I bought over the years. A flat black paint with little to no texture. Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: dannysbee] #21305 12/15/11 01:51 AM 12/15/11 01:51 AM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: Quote: Quote: Mike I don't know the code for it I just know the hoods did not have the texture that the restored cars have today. Possibly a flat black lacquer with a hot thinner. I got another question. Who painted the hoods the factory or the sub contractor that built the hoods? The hoods were painted by the vendor (fixed it #22)......with; "2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black," The hoods were made in Canada in Toronto. MikeR And there ls the problem everyone is pretty sure but no one knows for sure. The hoods could have been been painted by the supplier possibly the factory. Could have been organisol or possibly the paint they used for the blackout on the front of the cars. Until someone finds someone that was involved in the building of the cars and painting of the hoods, I will have to believe in what I found on the A12 car I purchased in 1974 and the original hoods I bought over the years. A flat black paint with little to no texture. Danny I'll just say: (I fixed it, I should have read the bulletin I posted years ago duh) I'm sure the hoods were painted with: "2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black," MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #21306 12/15/11 09:29 AM 12/15/11 09:29 AM
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dannysbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas	Quote: For those who think that original organosol was rough to the touch, here is a pic of an original 5600 mile A-12 bee hood. You can easily drag a rag across the hood and not have any catching. This is as good as it gets for how the finish of the hood really was. Danny I'll just say: I'm sure the factory painted the hoods with: "2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black," MikeR Mike R I would like to see an example of the paint code you have on a hood. The picture posted is very close to originals I have seen. 6967987-a12hood.jpg (330 downloads)

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: dannysbee] #21307 12/15/11 10:01 AM 12/15/11 10:01 AM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: Quote: For those who think that original organosol was rough to the touch, here is a pic of an original 5600 mile A-12 bee hood. You can easily drag a rag across the hood and not have any catching. This is as good as it gets for how the finish of the hood really was. Danny I'll just say: I'm sure the factory painted the hoods with: "2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black," MikeR Mike R I would like to see an example of the paint code you have on a hood. The picture posted is very close to originals I have seen. Danny I agree with you and Mike and everyone else that says the A12 hoods and even the '68 and '69 RR GTX etc., hood treatment did NOT have much texture if any The question I was trying to answer was if the hood manufacture painted the hoods and if the paint was organosol. The part number (2183385), paint code and the description above were right from a factory document for the A12 lift off hoods......can anyone check that AFX5DF code and part number to see what it might be? Thanks, MikeR and here even the underside of a 1969 media photo of an A12 hood show NO texture in the paint. I know it's the underside but it would show some in spots if it did. I have an original A12 hood and the bezels have never been removed when I do remove them I'll post photos but we all know there will be very little if much texture 6968025-Hoodphotofactory1969-03blrscopy.jpg (459 downloads)

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21308 12/15/11 11:33 AM 12/15/11 11:33 AM
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MOPARMIKE69 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,644 Nashville, TN	The hoods were recieved at the factory already painted by the supplier. See line 22 of attached factory bulletin. 6968135-factorybulletin.jpg (594 downloads) 69 Road Runner vert 69 GTX hard top 70 Road Runner 4 speed 70 Hemi Cuda vert

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: dannysbee] #21309 12/15/11 11:42 AM 12/15/11 11:42 AM
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MOPARMIKE69 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,644 Nashville, TN	The picture posted is very close to originals I have seen. Very close???? That is an original 5600 mile untouched hood. Not only is it close, it is the real deal, exactly as it left the factory, untouched hood. (with incorrect facing decals, Thats for you A12 ) 69 Road Runner vert 69 GTX hard top 70 Road Runner 4 speed 70 Hemi Cuda vert

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #21310 12/15/11 11:45 AM 12/15/11 11:45 AM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: The hoods were recieved at the factory already painted by the supplier. See line 22 of attached factory bulletin. Now there's a real brain fart on my part, should have re-read that page or at least remembered it, thanks Mike. but the paint info is what was spec'd for the hoods, that one I know for sure. duh on me the hoods were painted by the vendor in Toronto and handled with care MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #21311 12/15/11 11:49 AM 12/15/11 11:49 AM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: The picture posted is very close to originals I have seen. Very close???? That is an original 5600 mile untouched hood. Not only is it close, it is the real deal, exactly as it left the factory, untouched hood. (with incorrect facing decals, Thats for you A12 ) That's twice today, first with Step 22 and now the decals......I'm logging off MikeR

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #21312 12/15/11 11:49 AM 12/15/11 11:49 AM
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dannysbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas	Mike I would have to see and touch it before I would say it is exactly. Certainly not trying to cast any doubt. That is how the decals look "right" to me. Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: dannysbee] #21313 12/15/11 11:57 AM 12/15/11 11:57 AM
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MOPARMIKE69 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,644 Nashville, TN	Quote: Mike I would have to see and touch it before I would say it is exactly. Certainly not trying to cast any doubt. You can cast any doubt you want but that is a documented untouched car. It is not mine so I can say without braggin it is one of the finest if not the finest example of an original A12 bee in existance. Your welcome to come and touch it just let me know when you will be here.( oops that sounded )The hood that is. 69 Road Runner vert 69 GTX hard top 70 Road Runner 4 speed 70 Hemi Cuda vert

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21314 04/11/12 09:44 AM 04/11/12 09:44 AM
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Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21315 04/11/12 01:28 PM 04/11/12 01:28 PM
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ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,489 Answering the call of the wild	Has anyone asked their local ppg dealer for "2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black??????????????????????," or do i have to do it...

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: ThermoQuad] #21316 04/11/12 03:49 PM 04/11/12 03:49 PM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: Has anyone asked their local ppg dealer for "2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black??????????????????????," or do i have to do it... x2 Paleeeeeze

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: ThermoQuad] #21317 04/11/12 04:47 PM 04/11/12 04:47 PM
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MuscleMopars master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,708 North Central USA (MN-WI area)	Quote: Has anyone asked their local ppg dealer for "2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black??????????????????????," or do i have to do it... You do it.....please....and get back to us... Thanks, Eric email eric@musclemopars.com 715-426-HEMI (Shop) 612-669-CARS (Cell and Texts) Go to my Moparts "Profile" to see my web site

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: MuscleMopars] #21318 04/11/12 05:15 PM 04/11/12 05:15 PM
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cudaman1969 Itch Nutz C Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 9,008 fredericksburg,va	I have a 72 duster twister.Does this car have the same painted stripes( not a decal)? Smooth to the touch. Original paint.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: cudaman1969] #21319 04/16/12 01:32 PM 04/16/12 01:32 PM
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ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,489 Answering the call of the wild	I did the homework, I talked to my tech support at the local ppg dealer. The old number number is no good. 2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black DDL9355 is still a mixable number. Remember the texture of this is not as the stuff made in 1970, but close enough for most cars. I am getting ready to paint a 1969 RR in all Lacquer...imagine that a car that looks like it's 1969 all over again. Cost is the same as BC/CC

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: ThermoQuad] #21320 04/18/12 05:20 PM 04/18/12 05:20 PM
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P1970HeMICuDA super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 943 Mopar World Headquarters	What do you recommend for your Spray Gun tip? 1.7 or 1.4?

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: P1970HeMICuDA] #21321 04/18/12 05:31 PM 04/18/12 05:31 PM
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ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,489 Answering the call of the wild	1.7 is good but you had better be moving along as material comes out fast. 1.4 will work as well but you have to be careful to keep the distance close and be sure you are overlapping spraying the paint on wet.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: ThermoQuad] #21322 04/27/12 05:47 AM 04/27/12 05:47 AM
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sogtx master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,188 upstate western ny	Ok , getting ready to paint a12 hood .... not going organisol , rather shoot myself . Anything new on alternatives . Do the decals stick ? Is there minimal metal flake hiding on an orig a12 hood ? I dont think so , but ..... Figured id stir it up. Might just use a SEM product ... We can argue about what was and is for years .. I like it smooth , my 71 orig ag was smooth , No towels stuck , but wax did. The hood decals need to lay on flat to the scoop A12 stickers would never had stAyed on all these Years, if been painted with textured.. Last edited by sogtx; 04/27/12 06:01 AM. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2TVoO...0429-MOTION.gif

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: sogtx] #21323 07/02/12 03:37 PM 07/02/12 03:37 PM
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dobie super stock Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,032 Ohio	Hey guys, according to my shop, the DDL 9355 is not a working code. Any other ideas? 1968 Plymouth Road Runner 383 4 speed

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: dobie] #21324 07/04/12 05:05 AM 07/04/12 05:05 AM
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ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,489 Answering the call of the wild	get a new supplier

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: dannysbee] #21325 07/04/12 06:01 PM 07/04/12 06:01 PM
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RR6BBL1969 mopar R Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 407 Kentucky USA	Quote: Mike I don't know the code for it I just know the hoods did not have the texture that the restored cars have today. Possibly a flat black lacquer with a hot thinner. I got another question. Who painted the hoods the factory or the sub contractor that built the hoods? PPG got the paint for mine and it was exactly like the orogonal.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #21326 07/13/12 08:21 AM 07/13/12 08:21 AM
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AdamR master A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,978 Bethel Ct	has anyone tried this ? http://www.tcpglobal.com/kustomshop/HRF295.aspx

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21327 12/04/12 09:41 PM 12/04/12 09:41 PM
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Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21328 03/30/13 02:37 AM 03/30/13 02:37 AM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Bumping so if anyone has new info or procedure or updates or whatever to add.....there always seems to be a question about this

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21329 03/30/13 05:02 AM 03/30/13 05:02 AM
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8trackbee member Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 51 west australia	Hi all, question ....In the black and white photo of the BEE, to me the rims look body colour not black like on A12 cars. Is it a promo factory photo? could be a service replacment hood to convert your standard BEE.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #21330 03/30/13 11:03 AM 03/30/13 11:03 AM
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sailboat member S Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 91 canada	I purchased my 1970 Challenger T/A new, I still have the car. The hood paint,blackout, rear spoiler (fin) are all painted with the same finish as this A12. There was NO texture to the paint. Yes, you can drag a cheese cloth across it with no grab.

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: sailboat] #21331 03/30/13 12:44 PM 03/30/13 12:44 PM
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Silver70 I Live Here Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 18,582 Rust Belt, SW PA	When we did an aar hood, followed this bulletin exactly and my dad sprayed it. He was painting cars weekly in laquer at a body shop he owned in the 70s... anyways it came out more textured. When I spray my challenger t/a clone, I'll be using something other than the original formula to get it more smooth. 68 Road Runner, 69 Belvedere, 71 Challenger Vert 340 barracuda, 01 Ram CTD, 95 Ram, 04 Ram, 85 Daytona turbo Z 66 GTO, 06 Magnum RT AWD. 07 Ram CTD, 07 Ram

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21332 05/16/13 05:50 PM 05/16/13 05:50 PM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	bump again

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: UCUDANT] #21333 05/16/13 06:25 PM 05/16/13 06:25 PM
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ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,489 Answering the call of the wild	You cannot compare the surface finish of 40 plus year old organisol paint to new 2013 organisol paint unless it been in a hermetically sealed container. This paint wears easily over time. Please cut and paste this document into your computer and maybe even print it.... Organisol Black Revised 11-2010 DDL9359 Disclaimer: I am no expert, but I am a painter and I have done my fair share of wresting with this paint. I have no experience putting DDL9355 over catalyzed paints as I was taught the arts when lacquer and enamel were all we had. When I paint it - it�s always on DP90 black primer or black lacquer paint. The problem is this lacquer paint wants to be put in wet and thin which means a lot of solvent which will try to bite into the enamel or urethane surface it�s being applied to. NOTE: You must lay the paint down wet or the texture will stand up instead of lay down and you will have an extremely rough finish that attracts everything. Paint surfaces horizontal if possible Use the slowest thinner and add some retarder as well if it is above 80 degrees. Patience. Allow surfaces to dry for at least 30 days before painting cover coats. This is important. Works best over a black painted surface Black DP90 is fine Put 2 light but wet cover coats of semi gloss black lacquer over colored primers Allow to dry at least 24 hrs or more before organisoling, Use a gun with a big tip 1.6mm or larger Cross coat the large area surfaces in 3 directions �eliminates streaking of texture diag first, short length, long length with large overlapping passes. It must go on wet! Hello it must go on wet! Test spray before committing to car. Practice a little. Use SLOW thinner !!!! Lay on WET! Patience!!!!! Thin 125%, 150% last 2 coats After getting full coverage of texture typically 4 coats thin each progressive coat to 150% Use your judgment Think about 6 -8 coats. Allow each coat to dry for at least 30 min. Patience. Texture must cover surface completely-there should be no gaps in the texture. The purpose of laying it on cross coating & wet is to get the texture to lay down flat. Edge it in with a touch up gun first Use fine line tape on all paint edge breaks Do the bottom side of the hood first-part of your practice Paint all other surfaces at the same time as the top side of the hood. Across the tops of the fender & across the front header panel and even the hood - be sure to add 1-2 extra coats of Orginosol to resist wear of the paint from stones, fender covers etc..

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: ThermoQuad] #21334 05/17/13 07:35 AM 05/17/13 07:35 AM
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dobie super stock Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,032 Ohio	So, Im confused.... Is the proper stuff DDL9355 or DDL9359? 1968 Plymouth Road Runner 383 4 speed

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: dobie] #21335 05/18/13 06:31 AM 05/18/13 06:31 AM
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ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,489 Answering the call of the wild	typo error...imagine that i will fix it later

Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: A12] #21336 02/21/14 06:02 PM 02/21/14 06:02 PM
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Re: Organosol "The Bulletin" January 15, 1969 [Re: JeffsCustomPaint] #21337 04/28/14 11:56 AM 04/28/14 11:56 AM
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A12 OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,819 N.E. OHIO, USA	Is there a difference in organosol texture finish if it is air dried versus oven dried. Would air drying make the texture smoother and have less texture or is that controled by something else. I know that if I let "wrinkle finish" air dry it is way smoother than using an oven or even a heat gun.

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