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Your library of info is amazing! Do you think this is how the hood is done? I know that my hood is too gritty the way it is now and I'm kind of leaning toward the way it looks in the current special Hot Rod which is way smoother.

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I wonder if it's a PPG number? I have been using PPG Duracryl #9355 but it's just too gritty.

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Are you sure the PPG number isn't 9437? I have some of this and it is labled 9437 organisol in which I used to restore the tail light panel on a 69 R/T Charger and it turned out perfect. Man did it dry down very nice. I can't wait to spray my hood. Not to gritty at all and just the look I want for mine!

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The original PPG number was DDL 9355, the "L" means laquer. Most paint suppliers do not mix laquer anymore. They can pull up the 9355 formula in the computer and mix it as an enamel. It works much better than the laquer. That is why you can use the slower reducer.
The code is correct. After using this I would never shoot the laquer Or"crap"asol again. Same correct formula just enamel.
Organasol works well on small panels etc. but when you try to spray it on large areas it goes on too dry, therefore it gets rough. It leaves uneven stripes because of the over spray from the gun on a large area.

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That's why I asked the above question. Laquer and reducer don't mix well.

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I just finished spraying an A12 hood with
9355 lacquer which I bought and had mixed at my
local PPg supplier and i mesed it up the first
time by spraying it on too heavy and wet cause of hearing all the complaints of hoods being too gritty.i had too sand it all down cause the texture all went to the bottom.This time I mixed
it 150% with slow lacquer thinner and sprayed it on Medium wet and it went on perfect.It is
supposed to have texture,this hood feels like
220-320 grit sandpaper and i think that is what it is supposed to look like.Use a gravity feed
gun to spray it with so you can spray it with
lower air pressure.Siphon feed guns require about
45 psi and i think that is where the dry or zebra
stripes come into play.I used a Sata HVLP with
1.4 tip and it sprayed even and no stripes or
dry spray.it looks good in my book.

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Thanks for posting those Jeff. Do you have any shots close up that might show the texure you achieved using this technique?

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Don't wait for me, I originally posted this December 17, 2005 and Jeff dug it up and it to the top. If I were painting an AAR, T/A hood or an A12 Lift-Off-Hood I would seriously look into this "Note";


NOTE: Engine exterior area of hood to be painted with
2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AX5DX8 Black,
prior to installing hood retaining parts. 1-16-69


Painters out there, does this make any sense? Are the paint codes still relevant?



MikeR


I'm with you on this


BTW Tav, you seem to be waiting for something (from me?? ) in another few re-posts of mine, anything I can do to help let me know because I'm a little


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I originally posted this December 17, 2005 and Jeff dug it up and it to the top.
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Not sure if this helps but that AX5DX8 black seems to be an actual factory< in house> paint code. I know from working in the chrysler facility I was stationed at all of our quart cans and gallon cans of paint material all had an extra label secured over the original along with extra paint codes on it. This was to reduce the amount of lunch pail theft as you weren't really sure of what you were taking without peeling the outside label off. Just a thought. My paint supplier told me that the only codes for organisol in his books from 1969 were the 9355 which probably is correct for doing the rocker blackout as well as the tail panels for chargers etc. as listed on that TSB. He did give me another product which I had forgotten about which is called High Performance Black DDL 9381. That number has been changed to DDL 9423. I remember painting the glass hood for my dads T/A Challenger with this years ago and it seems like it might be the right stuff. I am going over to his shop and look around and see if I can find that gallon can. Has anyone tried using the DDL9423?

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Joey, for sure that is the factory paint code (AX5DX8) for the A12 hoods (and maybe the AAR/T/A too?) and then the 9407 was from memory by a good friend and excellent source and he may be off on the last two numbers because he used the "94" several times until he settled for 9407. The DDL9423 may be the "missing link" for the closest match to the hood paint


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None of the Organosols today are anywhere near the originals, both the metallic and suede used originally is no longer available.

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Frank says their formula is made from the last of the original PPG stuff..The 9355 formula is going to be wrong.......

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Unless something has changed very recently RG's organosol was urathane not lacquar.

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Unless something has changed very recently RG's organosol was urathane not lacquar.

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Just bought some from him a few months ago. Doesn't say in his catalog that it's lacquer, and most of his other specialty paints are enamel! I called and asked Frank what I'm supposed to do with it since my car is painted in urethane enamel. He told me that it's my painter's problem!! What a tool!

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my car is painted in urethane enamel

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This should not matter, since lacuer was used over enamel originaly without any catylization like is used today.

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PPG Organosol mixed in DCC urethane is very close.Nice semi smooth finish and semi flat black finish.Closely matches original Chrysler finish which is actually metallic flat black.

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The original paint on my A12 Roadrunner hood matches your description to a 'T'. Thanks for the comparison.

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I have used both the PPG Duracryl Organosol and the PPG DCC urethane Organosol.I also have several examples of original Organosol on my original paint 69 Road Runner fender and 69 Charger tailpanel,as well as other original paint Organosol finishes I have studied.Here's what I found:
PPG Organosol mixed in DCC urethane is very close.Nice semi smooth finish and semi flat black finish.Closely matches original Chrysler finish which is actually metallic flat black.
PPG organosol mixed in Duracryl lacquer produces a gritty finish more like dash panels etc.While it is a cool finish,it is not correct in my opinion.I have seen original AAR cudas,A12 cars and V21 Road Runners,Chargers and 71 Dusters etc,and they never had the gritty finish like we see on the show cars nowdays.
Yes the textured organosol looks cool-but it does not look correct to me.

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Just bumping this up to see if anyone has anything new to add on this subject since I will need to advise my paint guy.

Thanks, Joe

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I also like the use of the Concept version of Organisol (DCC) for hood treatments such as the Roadrunner & GTX. Note the texture finish is not the same as the DDL, but it is what's best unless its a 100 pt show poodle.

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The person that painted my '69 GTX thinks the same way as you Tom. When the hood stripes were being painted I sent everything I had and everything from (early on in) this thread to him and he just couldn't bring himself to using any of the formulas for the '69 GTX hood stripes He mixed up what he felt was correct and sprayed it and I never did get the final mix info from him........so far. I think it's close to correct, well it's porous enough like I remember my RR was back in '69 for the Simonize wax to make a mess of the edges

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I also like the use of the Concept version of Organisol (DCC) for hood treatments such as the Roadrunner & GTX. Note the texture finish is not the same as the DDL, but it is what's best unless its a 100 pt show poodle.

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Mike I have been telling them the same thing for years. The A12's were hoods were not painted with the same stuff the AAR's or T/A's hoods were painted with.

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Mike I don't know the code for it I just know the hoods did not have the texture that the restored cars have today. Possibly a flat black lacquer with a hot thinner. I got another question. Who painted the hoods the factory or the sub contractor that built the hoods?

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Pretty sure the hoods were painted by the vendor (fixed it, #22)......with;

"2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black,"

The hoods were made in Canada in Toronto.

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Mike I don't know the code for it I just know the hoods did not have the texture that the restored cars have today. Possibly a flat black lacquer with a hot thinner. I got another question. Who painted the hoods the factory or the sub contractor that built the hoods?

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Pretty sure the factory painted the hoods......with;

"2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black,"

The hoods were made in Canada in Toronto.

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The Hoods were made in Canada, but Creative was the conversion point, did Creative Industries paint the hoods?

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Mike I don't know the code for it I just know the hoods did not have the texture that the restored cars have today. Possibly a flat black lacquer with a hot thinner. I got another question. Who painted the hoods the factory or the sub contractor that built the hoods?

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Pretty sure the hoods were painted by the vendor (fixed it, #22)......with;

"2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black,"

The hoods were made in Canada in Toronto.

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The Hoods were made in Canada, but Creative was the conversion point, did Creative Industries paint the hoods?

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Mike I don't know the code for it I just know the hoods did not have the texture that the restored cars have today. Possibly a flat black lacquer with a hot thinner. I got another question. Who painted the hoods the factory or the sub contractor that built the hoods?

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Pretty sure the factory painted the hoods......with;

"2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black,"

The hoods were made in Canada in Toronto.

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Mike I don't know the code for it I just know the hoods did not have the texture that the restored cars have today. Possibly a flat black lacquer with a hot thinner. I got another question. Who painted the hoods the factory or the sub contractor that built the hoods?

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The hoods were painted by the vendor (fixed it #22)......with;

"2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black,"

The hoods were made in Canada in Toronto.

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And there ls the problem everyone is pretty sure but no one knows for sure. The hoods could have been been painted by the supplier possibly the factory. Could have been organisol or possibly the paint they used for the blackout on the front of the cars. Until someone finds someone that was involved in the building of the cars and painting of the hoods, I will have to believe in what I found on the A12 car I purchased in 1974 and the original hoods I bought over the years. A flat black paint with little to no texture.

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For those who think that original organosol was rough to the touch, here is a pic of an original 5600 mile A-12 bee hood. You can easily drag a rag across the hood and not have any catching. This is as good as it gets for how the finish of the hood really was.

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Danny I'll just say:

I'm sure the factory painted the hoods with:

"2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black,"

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Mike R I would like to see an example of the paint code you have on a hood. The picture posted is very close to originals I have seen.

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For those who think that original organosol was rough to the touch, here is a pic of an original 5600 mile A-12 bee hood. You can easily drag a rag across the hood and not have any catching. This is as good as it gets for how the finish of the hood really was.

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Danny I'll just say:

I'm sure the factory painted the hoods with:

"2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black,"

MikeR

Mike R I would like to see an example of the paint code you have on a hood. The picture posted is very close to originals I have seen.

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Danny I agree with you and Mike and everyone else that says the A12 hoods and even the '68 and '69 RR GTX etc., hood treatment did NOT have much texture if any The question I was trying to answer was if the hood manufacture painted the hoods and if the paint was organosol. The part number (2183385), paint code and the description above were right from a factory document for the A12 lift off hoods......can anyone check that AFX5DF code and part number to see what it might be?


Thanks,

MikeR


and here even the underside of a 1969 media photo of an A12 hood show NO texture in the paint. I know it's the underside but it would show some in spots if it did. I have an original A12 hood and the bezels have never been removed when I do remove them I'll post photos but we all know there will be very little if much texture

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The hoods were recieved at the factory already painted by the supplier. See line 22 of attached factory bulletin.

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Now there's a real brain fart on my part, should have re-read that page or at least remembered it, thanks Mike.


but the paint info is what was spec'd for the hoods, that one I know for sure.


duh on me the hoods were painted by the vendor in Toronto and handled with care


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Mike I would have to see and touch it before I would say it is exactly. Certainly not trying to cast any doubt.

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You can cast any doubt you want but that is a documented untouched car. It is not mine so I can say without braggin it is one of the finest if not the finest example of an original A12 bee in existance.

Your welcome to come and touch it just let me know when you will be here.( oops that sounded )The hood that is.

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Has anyone asked their local ppg dealer for
"2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black??????????????????????,"

or do i have to do it...

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Has anyone asked their local ppg dealer for
"2183385 Exterior Air Dry Organsol Paint AF5DX8 Black??????????????????????,"

or do i have to do it...

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