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OK.............Let's see a show of hands. #997536 05/22/11 03:48 PM 05/22/11 03:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,595 On the south side of Nowhere S S/ST 3040 OP master
S/ST 3040 OP master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,595 On the south side of Nowhere	How many of you HATE gapping rings? That's me with both hands up.

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: S/ST 3040] #997537 05/22/11 03:49 PM 05/22/11 03:49 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,595 On the south side of Nowhere S S/ST 3040 OP master
S/ST 3040 OP master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,595 On the south side of Nowhere	4 more holes left. 6645522-4.100340Block2011008.jpg (102 downloads)

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: S/ST 3040] #997538 05/22/11 03:51 PM 05/22/11 03:51 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: S/ST 3040] #997539 05/22/11 03:52 PM 05/22/11 03:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,419 Kalispell Mt. H HotRodDave I Live Here
HotRodDave I Live Here H Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,419 Kalispell Mt.	Never thought about doing it with a TQ plate installed, very good idea I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: HotRodDave] #997540 05/22/11 04:06 PM 05/22/11 04:06 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,578 sweden 1 1Fast340 master
1Fast340 master 1 Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,578 sweden	Quote: Never thought about doing it with a TQ plate installed, very good idea � just thought the same! i truly hate it,especialy oilrings

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: S/ST 3040] #997541 05/22/11 04:15 PM 05/22/11 04:15 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion	I actually like it cos I at least know it`s done right and plus it`s part of the "blue printing" process which give me a chance to pound some beers and rock out to some hard rock. 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: Thumperdart] #997542 05/22/11 04:18 PM 05/22/11 04:18 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,698 NE Oklahoma V Von master
Von master V Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,698 NE Oklahoma	I dont mind it. But, my hands really hurt by hole 6 or so. As far as using a plate, most ring mfgs say to gap with a plate installed. Ive never done it, but I happened to have a borrowed plate on hand last time, so I did it. 72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72. Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: Von] #997543 05/22/11 04:32 PM 05/22/11 04:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,991 Anoka County, MN L Leigh master
Leigh master L Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,991 Anoka County, MN	Pretty tedious, as I'm a perfectionist.

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: S/ST 3040] #997544 05/22/11 05:34 PM 05/22/11 05:34 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: 4 more holes left. My ring squaring tool does not allow me to use a torque plate. Not sure how critical that is the torque plate I mean. Getting the ring square on the grinder and in the hole IS critical. Last edited by Crizila; 05/22/11 06:39 PM. Fastest 300

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: Crizila] #997545 05/22/11 07:33 PM 05/22/11 07:33 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,025 Las Vegas, NV dodgeboy11 super stock
dodgeboy11 super stock Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,025 Las Vegas, NV	The side of the stone on the bench grinder works pretty good. Take some practice to make them square, but if you get the hang of it the process goes so fast you can get to the really fun part, checking bearing clearances...

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: S/ST 3040] #997546 05/22/11 07:46 PM 05/22/11 07:46 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing master
Dunnuck Racing master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	You need to buy an electric ring filer,........so I can borrow it! Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #997547 05/22/11 08:09 PM 05/22/11 08:09 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	I use a ring filer with the crank handle, after 2 holes you can count the turns and be right on, and course there's the finish burr clean up. I would rather file rings than install spiro locks it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: rowin4] #997548 05/22/11 08:49 PM 05/22/11 08:49 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Quote: I use a ring filer with the crank handle, after 2 holes you can count the turns and be right on, and course there's the finish burr clean up. I would rather file rings than install spiro locks For sure I use a honing stone to knock off any sharp edges left from my ring filer. It's time consuming using the stone after each filing, but as said, you can hone in on the number of cranks and get pretty close after a few 's Fastest 300

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: rowin4] #997549 05/22/11 09:58 PM 05/22/11 09:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,928 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,928 NC	Quote: I use a ring filer with the crank handle, after 2 holes you can count the turns and be right on, and course there's the finish burr clean up. I would rather file rings than install spiro locks That is what I do. I don't think too much about it. But I am very detail oriented and take way too much time doing all sorts of things. I have a diamond jewlers file to help make the final gap exactly parallel for that last 0.001" 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: S/ST 3040] #997550 05/22/11 10:06 PM 05/22/11 10:06 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 914 tn R robnbird super stock
robnbird super stock R Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 914 tn	Ya I know what you mean. I just stopped using them.

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: robnbird] #997551 05/22/11 10:12 PM 05/22/11 10:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,240 Saline, MI E efisixpack pro stock
efisixpack pro stock E Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,240 Saline, MI	I'm going to be putting together my 440 short block in a few weeks and was wondering who has the best tool for grinding ring? Also, what is the best way to debur rings? Jewlers file like stated above or what else to use? Thanks in advance, I'm a little rusty in this department and just trying to freshen up on my tools/skills. When I die I want to go like my Grandfather did, quietly in his sleep. Not screaming like the passengers in his car.

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: robnbird] #997552 05/22/11 10:16 PM 05/22/11 10:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,918 Akron, Ohio ProSport I Live Here
ProSport I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,918 Akron, Ohio	Quote: Ya I know what you mean. I just stopped using them. 1970 Challenger, all aluminum 528 Hemi, HDK suspension, Tremec 5 speed manual

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: rowin4] #997553 05/22/11 10:22 PM 05/22/11 10:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio S Sport440 master
Sport440 master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio	Quote: I use a ring filer with the crank handle, after 2 holes you can count the turns and be right on, and course there's the finish burr clean up. I would rather file rings than install spiro locks I bought one of those crank ring filers from Summit. I sent it back, Way to slow. I opted for my much more productive Sears belt/disc sander. Turns out it was a little to Productive. the first time I used it. I over cut a ring on a cylinder and ended up buying a whole another set of Rings. At the time I couldnt buy just one. I got a whole lot of spares now. But Ive got the disc sander technigue down now, and it is the method I prefer. I can buzz up a set in 5 minutes, Just kidding.

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: Sport440] #997554 05/22/11 11:03 PM 05/22/11 11:03 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 553 Kentucky clovis mopar
clovis mopar Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 553 Kentucky	Just went through the whole shortblock assembly this weekend-bearing clearance,spiral locks,ring filing,cam degree,final deck height check. As far as the ring filing, I found that I never put the same amount of tension on each as I filed so I just used a base number of strokes for each ring, top(15) and second(10), then adjusted from there. Having the filer next to the block-major time saver, but still didn't help my back out much. This little device would sure be a nice addition to the garage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHSoSZvHoCo '75 Plymouth Duster Phase I 451 906/590/2-660 10.75/126 Phase II 451 Stage VI/590/1050 9.82/135 Phase III 383 906/Victor-Pump gas 11.30/119 "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,"

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: S/ST 3040] #997555 05/23/11 03:38 AM 05/23/11 03:38 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,219 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,219 Bend,OR USA	Quote: 4 more holes left. Do you use the torque plate on your heads when doing the valve job If not try it It is amazing what you can find that makes a difference in results on H.P. motors, especially when your competion is outrunning you Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: Cab_Burge] #997556 05/23/11 10:12 AM 05/23/11 10:12 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor master
VernMotor master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	it's a hateful job that got to be done and done right !

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: VernMotor] #997557 05/23/11 10:30 AM 05/23/11 10:30 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,330 Lynchburg, VA Leon441 master
Leon441 master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,330 Lynchburg, VA	That grinder would be great when cutting Tool Steel rings for large gaps on nitrous engines. I have actually had to use a cut off wheel to get close then start grinding with the ring grinder. Buy a new set of rings due to one being a little big??? How big?? I would have probably used that ring in a hole I new got hotter than others. Leon Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: efisixpack] #997558 05/23/11 07:20 PM 05/23/11 07:20 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,314 Charlotte, NC L LSP pro stock
LSP pro stock L Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,314 Charlotte, NC	Quote: who has the best tool for grinding ring? Also, what is the best way to debur rings? ABS has the best ring filer that I have used and know of, it has a rotating deburr brush already on it.

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: LSP] #997559 05/24/11 12:11 AM 05/24/11 12:11 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,219 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,219 Bend,OR USA	I bought this Proform ring filer several years ago, it makes gapping rings a lot easier and quicker 1 to 2 hours on the top moly rings depending on the application and how precise I wnat the gaps, 40 minutes to 1 hr. to do the softer 2nd iron rings, again depending on how close they end up being, .0010 requires some stoning on the last fittings and within .001 to .003 only needs the wheel on the girnder How many of you are checking the ring side clearances and back spacing? Oops, forgot the picture 6647949-MVC-040S.JPG (43 downloads) Last edited by Cab_Burge; 05/24/11 12:12 AM. Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: Cab_Burge] #997560 05/24/11 10:05 AM 05/24/11 10:05 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	I don't know what is worse,, filing ring's or spiro-loc's. Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: dartman366] #997561 05/24/11 11:07 PM 05/24/11 11:07 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,219 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,219 Bend,OR USA	Quote: I don't know what is worse,, filing ring's or spiro-loc's. Both Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: OK.............Let's see a show of hands. [Re: dartman366] #997562 05/25/11 12:08 AM 05/25/11 12:08 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 846 Long Island, NY Cudafied super stock
Cudafied super stock Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 846 Long Island, NY	Quote: I don't know what is worse,, filing ring's or spiro-loc's. I like doing both

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