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Tear down has begun #688110 05/04/10 01:15 PM 05/04/10 01:15 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Kinda found what we all expected when te pan came down I really didn't think the rod would look this bad though Glitter every where Looks like I also floated the valves a lttle while the motor was spinning past where we wanted to take it They didn't all hit at least Does look like that piston did kiss the head though So far we don't think either are hurt but we will have to look closer once everything is clean and apart. I will say Scott is taking this a lot better than I am.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688111 05/04/10 01:17 PM 05/04/10 01:17 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,354 ohio H HEMIDARTS master
HEMIDARTS master H Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 3,354 ohio	dam Bill, sorry to hear this!

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688112 05/04/10 01:21 PM 05/04/10 01:21 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls DemonDust master
DemonDust master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	That sucks Bill Hopefully it's not too bad and you don't have any bent valves. My 340 hit had a couple valves hit on a missed shift but never bent them. The rods on the other hand might be toast SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688113 05/04/10 01:31 PM 05/04/10 01:31 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Bummer Bill but its about what you were guessing, hopefully its not too bad... that rod sure is blue

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: DemonDust] #688114 05/04/10 01:32 PM 05/04/10 01:32 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,765 Q quick77rt Parts Problem
quick77rt Parts Problem Q Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,765	That does blow, ive sorta been reading the prior posts. Myself being a rookie builder and always trying to learn more, Im asking this in a respectful learning type of way, why does it look like multiple things went wrong? I dont see how the bad rod would factor in with the valve float, pistons hitting the head on more then one hole. I run approx .037 quench on my small block strokers and in some ways expect to see some signs of running so tight next time its apart. So what went wrong here overall.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688115 05/04/10 01:41 PM 05/04/10 01:41 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH B blownzoom440
blownzoom440 B Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH	i am home with a sick grand kid.now this is making me feel sorry to see all this.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688116 05/04/10 01:45 PM 05/04/10 01:45 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,211 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,211 Bend,OR USA	Bill, are the psions with valve conatct the same ones that spun and ate the bearings? If so that may be where the extra clearances came from for the piston to hit the valves. If not it is time to check all of the valve to piston clearances when you put it back together. I have seen as much as .130 differences at the retainer when checking rocker arms for lift on the same lobes of the cam Now, if you can figure out why it ate those bearings it will not be a total loss. I always worry about something going wrong on all of my new motors , hopefully all of your next ones will be trouble free Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Cab_Burge] #688117 05/04/10 01:53 PM 05/04/10 01:53 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ M maximum entropy master
maximum entropy master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ	is that rod with the piston that touched the head ? for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: maximum entropy] #688118 05/04/10 02:08 PM 05/04/10 02:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,765 Q quick77rt Parts Problem
quick77rt Parts Problem Q Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,765	Quote: is that rod with the piston that touched the head ? Thats part of my reasoning for asking as well....it sucks a bad rod bearing could cause so many issues. Ive had an oem rod that blue in a 383 but it locked up the motor going down the interstate. That would really suck on the track.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: maximum entropy] #688119 05/04/10 02:08 PM 05/04/10 02:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,293 Northeast, Alpine, NY 9 9 Sec Phill On a road near you
9 Sec Phill On a road near you 9 Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,293 Northeast, Alpine, NY	Bill, looks like you had multiple problems, the bearing going south started the #3 piston to hit the head im sure. The valves toutching the pistons could be rockers, cam lift or a thinner head gasket then what was used when testing. Looks like more care will be needed checking the clearances this next time around. I hope you find all the problems that made this mess for you and get them straightend out so you can have some trouble free passes with even a better New best...Best of luck to you....Phill

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688120 05/04/10 02:20 PM 05/04/10 02:20 PM
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70blackfish master 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,152 SO. CAL.	no studs on mains

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688121 05/04/10 02:21 PM 05/04/10 02:21 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are lighter than the intakes... were these new springs?

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: MR_P_BODY] #688122 05/04/10 04:44 PM 05/04/10 04:44 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Let me see if I can answer everyones Question We think it may have started when I first tried to fire the motor in the car and unknowingly had a needle and seat sticking open. Didn't notice that untill I saw a puddle of alky come out of the header. Thought we caught it in time and didn't hydro the motor but now it's looking like that might have caused the bearing failure which just got worse as I made the few passes I did make. The valve float we can only atribute to the loose conv allow the motor to spin higher than we ever wanted. The piston with the missing rod bearing did contact the head but not bad and it was not one of the ones with a wittnes mark from a valve. The springs are not new and are the same ones supplied with the heads when I bought them in 2006. Also looks like a little bearing matterial imbeeded in the cam lobes One of the cam bearing tried to come off with the cam. Hopefully I didn't hurt the crank to much Full pic of the rod with the failed bearing. Thankfuly we had a very good rod in it as I don't see how a stock rod would not have let go under these circumstances. Thanks KI Technologies

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: MR_P_BODY] #688123 05/04/10 04:47 PM 05/04/10 04:47 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,667 Arizona C Chris'sBarracuda master
Chris'sBarracuda master C Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,667 Arizona	Quote: Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are lighter than the intakes... were these new springs? But isn't the exhaust much closer and chasing the valve? Chris..

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #688124 05/04/10 05:07 PM 05/04/10 05:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,946 United Socialist States of Ame... T tboomer Too Many Posts
tboomer Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,946 United Socialist States of Ame...	Aww...Bill...That really sucks!! You and Scott put your hearts into that thing...I sure wish ya the best of luck!! Ted Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: tboomer] #688125 05/04/10 05:34 PM 05/04/10 05:34 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,472 Overland Park, KS. J Joshs68 pro stock
Joshs68 pro stock J Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,472 Overland Park, KS.	Too bad Bill, hope you get it fixed up and back on track!

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688126 05/04/10 05:49 PM 05/04/10 05:49 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH B blownzoom440
blownzoom440 B Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH	how does the cam look where thr bearing was stuck to it? i expected the crank to be burned also.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: blownzoom440] #688127 05/04/10 06:11 PM 05/04/10 06:11 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,288 Oregon sg66mopar pro stock
sg66mopar pro stock Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,288 Oregon	So you're gonna have it goin' putt-putt and at the track by Sunday, RIGHT? Sorry for the misfortune but at least you didn't dump oil and get hurt.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #688128 05/04/10 06:15 PM 05/04/10 06:15 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are lighter than the intakes... were these new springs? But isn't the exhaust much closer and chasing the valve? Chris.. Yes but you would think the heavier valve would have been floating easier and most likely sooner.... I dont know how close the valves were and I dont recall where the cam was put in at (that would tell which valve was closer)

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688129 05/04/10 06:16 PM 05/04/10 06:16 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill D dennismopar73 top fuel
dennismopar73 top fuel D Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill	hey bill sorry for all of this i was really hopping for the best just a opinon of mine blue of any sort is heat! on a crank comes from lack of oiling just like the bearing on the cam so much 'trash' metal trying to go thru and cant do you run a line off the pump to back of the motor (where the pressure gage goes)?? old ss stock trick ask scott if he thinks that cavitation of the oil pump might be another issue ??? but the bright side is it didnt kill the block all the rods stayed in anyhow bill i will be the first to make a donation to help you out just give me address to send it to and i will

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: dennismopar73] #688130 05/04/10 06:34 PM 05/04/10 06:34 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,682 On the parachute mount N n20mstr master
n20mstr master N Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,682 On the parachute mount	these things happen, Only thing i dont like, that oil pan seems like it has almost no baffling to keep the oil in the sump, Id put an external pickup on there if for nothing else but to get a good solidly welded baffle on there to keep oil in the sump under accleration. Only a sugestion as im sure Scott knows a lot more than me...LOL ....BAD A$$ STREET CAR.....

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: n20mstr] #688131 05/04/10 07:10 PM 05/04/10 07:10 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410 Belpre,Ohio C CHAPPER master
CHAPPER master C Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410 Belpre,Ohio	Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM.. looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,, If you like drag racing, support your local track.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: CHAPPER] #688132 05/04/10 07:19 PM 05/04/10 07:19 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,511 PA moparacer master
moparacer master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,511 PA	Looks bad but you are lucky it didn't decide to kick the #3 and #4 rods out in the traps the way they look. J.M.O. but I would throw the cam in the scrap pile too. Did it throw any debris up behind the piston skirts and scuff up the cylinder walls? Any time I ever had a mishap like that it did. 67 Barracuda street/bracket car 11.27-119 68 Dart 502 BB 8.70s-152 414 cid SB Dragster 7.65-174

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #688133 05/04/10 07:38 PM 05/04/10 07:38 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,595 On the south side of Nowhere S S/ST 3040 master
S/ST 3040 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,595 On the south side of Nowhere	Quote: Quote: Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are lighter than the intakes... were these new springs? But isn't the exhaust much closer and chasing the valve? Chris.. The exhaust valves are the ones trying to get closed before the piston catches them. Intakes are opening as the piston travels downward on the "intake stroke" and usually in closest proximity to each other between 5� and 10� ATDC. If a piston hits an intake valve, it was either assembled wrong or something went VERY wrong. I hope it's not too expensive Bill.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688134 05/04/10 07:58 PM 05/04/10 07:58 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH B blownzoom440
blownzoom440 B Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH	with the valve marks on the pistons will there be other signs of dammage on the pushrods,rockers,lifters,cam?i was looking at the oiling path and thinking if maybe it starved the oil somehow to the rod and the valve events maybe had something to do with it.it would take a lot for that to happin i think. 5964235-5041729-oildiagram.jpg (30 downloads) Last edited by METAL STORM; 05/04/10 08:33 PM.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: blownzoom440] #688135 05/04/10 08:31 PM 05/04/10 08:31 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,675 Columbia, CT M moper I Live Here
moper I Live Here M Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,675 Columbia, CT	Racing with old springs is a problem and might be why they kissed on some but not all. Also, it's a flat tappet... You can be bleeding oil out certain lifters if they are loose too. Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: blownzoom440] #688136 05/04/10 08:40 PM 05/04/10 08:40 PM
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 1,443 Maryland D Dads426 pro stock
Dads426 pro stock D Joined: May 2007 Posts: 1,443 Maryland	Curious to know what the #2 main bearing looked like? (missing in pic). Did it slip out of the tab and partially block the oil hole in the block? That rod would have gotten oil from #2 main. Oil hole in crank clear? 2012 422 Allstars NSS Champion 2013 422 Allstars NSS Champion 2014 422 Allstars NSS Champion

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: moper] #688137 05/04/10 08:53 PM 05/04/10 08:53 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,064 Tennessee 7 727builder super stock
727builder super stock 7 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,064 Tennessee	I think the 7700 rpms hurt it. Few friends run that 555 solid comp cam and about 6400 it's out of power for them. Think i would toss the stock main bolts and throw in some arp main bolts. Hope you get her back together soon. Good luck! What a voice!!!! http://www.godvine.com/10-Year-Old-Boy-with-Autism-Sings-Open-the-Eyes-of-My-Heart-1041.html

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Dads426] #688138 05/04/10 08:55 PM 05/04/10 08:55 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,200 UK 6 602heavy pro stock
602heavy pro stock 6 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,200 UK	Quote: Curious to know what the #2 main bearing looked like? (missing in pic). Did it slip out of the tab and partially block the oil hole in the block? That rod would have gotten oil from #2 main. Oil hole in crank clear? #2 rod looks fine so thinking some debris got lodged in oil way from #2 main journal to #3 rod journal. .....................did #3 piston hit the head? , may of egged the rod journal causing the overheat issues. Last edited by 602heavy; 05/04/10 09:07 PM.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: 602heavy] #688139 05/04/10 09:15 PM 05/04/10 09:15 PM
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,675 Akron, Ohio U.S.A. roadhazard master
roadhazard master Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,675 Akron, Ohio U.S.A.	Wow, worse than I thought it was going to be. What side did the fuel come out of the header? The left?? Wish I still had my spare .613 Ultradyne for you to try You have my # if you need me

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: 602heavy] #688140 05/04/10 09:15 PM 05/04/10 09:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	it's bad enough to mess thing's up for you but not messed up enough to ruin every thing, from the pic's crank look's fixable, the burn't rod's are toast and the cam is junk, at least it didn't trash the block, as far as the witness mark's on the piston's,, look's like some valve float from the over rev, and I have seen worse,,,let see 10 day's till Columbus and it's all in the shop,,,,,,you might be in the trailer hooking everything up while Dad is driving the motorhome down the interstate,,,but it can be done. if you need anything,,then let me know. Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: dartman366] #688141 05/04/10 09:41 PM 05/04/10 09:41 PM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1,414 Stow ,Ohio D demon440 pro stock
demon440 pro stock D Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1,414 Stow ,Ohio	I have a stock, 10 under forged crank in my 440. Let me know if you need it.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688142 05/04/10 09:55 PM 05/04/10 09:55 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again Moparnut426 I Live Here
Moparnut426 I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again	Sorry to see that, and it sucks too see all that cash go up in smoke for you. Atleast it didnt make an unexpended window, and wipe out the car going through the traps. I wish i had bi block parts cause Id help if i could. Kasey

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: demon440] #688143 05/04/10 09:58 PM 05/04/10 09:58 PM
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,015 Down South DaKuda super stock
DaKuda super stock Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,015 Down South	Question....did you run Synthetic oil with Alky?? Have a friend that had one do the same thing. A very well know engine shop told us never run synthetic oil with our Alky. We have since changed to Valvoline VR-1 race oil with no problems since. His was running synthetic and only ran a short time. Did the SAME things yours did minus the valve float/piston problems..... Last edited by DaKuda; 05/04/10 11:20 PM.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: CHAPPER] #688144 05/04/10 10:09 PM 05/04/10 10:09 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S. M moparniac master
moparniac master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S.	Quote: Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM.. looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,, Kaleno block... i dont understand using no studs though Mopar Performance

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: DaKuda] #688145 05/04/10 10:21 PM 05/04/10 10:21 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill D dennismopar73 top fuel
dennismopar73 top fuel D Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill	type of oil nothin to do with this Last edited by dennismopar73; 05/04/10 10:22 PM.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: dennismopar73] #688146 05/04/10 10:42 PM 05/04/10 10:42 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again Moparnut426 I Live Here
Moparnut426 I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again	Quote: type of oil nothin to do with this I wouldnt laugh too hard, I have heard the same thing and NONE of my Dirt car buddies who run drunk engines run synthetic. They do however run Brad Penn which has some synthetic addiitives. They all have told me similar things dealing with fast wear issues. Kasey

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Moparnut426] #688147 05/04/10 10:50 PM 05/04/10 10:50 PM
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B1Fish540 master Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan	Wow, what a roller coaster ride this has been! Cant believe this has happened, Bill. I hope Scott makes it all good for you...I think he should throw in a new cam and crank for you!

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: dennismopar73] #688148 05/04/10 10:56 PM 05/04/10 10:56 PM
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,015 Down South DaKuda super stock
DaKuda super stock Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,015 Down South	Quote: type of oil nothin to do with this You have now shown your ignorance...

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: B1Fish540] #688149 05/04/10 11:22 PM 05/04/10 11:22 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 781 MD HEMI472 super stock
HEMI472 super stock Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 781 MD	Quote: Wow, what a roller coaster ride this has been! Cant believe this has happened, Bill. I hope Scott makes it all good for you...I think he should throw in a new cam and crank for you! so whos going to pay for this???????????????? you or scott???????????

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Moparnut426] #688150 05/04/10 11:47 PM 05/04/10 11:47 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,472 Overland Park, KS. J Joshs68 pro stock
Joshs68 pro stock J Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,472 Overland Park, KS.	Quote: Quote: type of oil nothing to do with this :ha ha: uster Work: I wouldn't laugh too hard, I have heard the same thing and NONE of my Dirt car buddies who run drunk engines run synthetic. They do however run Brad Penn which has some synthetic additives. They all have told me similar things dealing with fast wear issues. Kasey A couple guys I work with run modifieds on alcohol, said the same thing. Both run Brad Penn.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: HEMI472] #688151 05/05/10 12:06 AM 05/05/10 12:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio S Sport440 master
Sport440 master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio	Quote: Quote: Wow, what a roller coaster ride this has been! Cant believe this has happened, Bill. I hope Scott makes it all good for you...I think he should throw in a new cam and crank for you! so whos going to pay for this???????????????? you or scott??????????? From my take this has been a joint Sponsered effort by both Scott and Bill and many others who have joined in to assist on the project. With Scott being a primary sponser with this build assistance and dyno time. He Deserves nothing less then respect and appreciation. IMO Hey, They , Dont call Wild Bill!, Wild Bill for nothing!! I think hes to Blame!! mike

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Sport440] #688152 05/05/10 12:11 AM 05/05/10 12:11 AM
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ksj master K Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,589 Topeka Kansas	Scott seems to be more "BLUE" about it than Bill .Stuff happens and no reason to place blame anywhere.If there is its between them and no one else and I doubt that is the situation.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: CHAPPER] #688153 05/05/10 12:49 AM 05/05/10 12:49 AM
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 511 Temperance, MI 6 68 HEMI GTS mopar
68 HEMI GTS mopar 6 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 511 Temperance, MI	Quote: Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM.. looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,, you can get away with alot, but stock main bolts are a no no. anything over 7 grand with a internal pickup is on borrowed time also. That said, I hope all works out for you next go around!! 68 Dart GTS "HEMI" 10.30 @ 131 pump gas street car 3780# 69 Roadrunner 511 six pack 10.92 drive to track street car

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: ksj] #688154 05/05/10 12:49 AM 05/05/10 12:49 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	First off I'ld like to thank everyone for there support and offers of assistance As of right now we are still looking to see what is usable but if it comes to needinng something that someone has offered I will let you know. Second, IF there is any blame to be burdened by anyone it must fall soley on my shoulders. We are fairly certain that the stuck needle and seat that dumped quit a bit of alky through the boosters whenever I had the pump on was the first domino to fall. Could I have caught that sooner? Maybe. Could I have missed it ll together and bent a rod hydrolocking the motor? Yep. Does it really help to beat myself up over it? Hasn't yet Sport440's assement is correct. Koffle's Place being the primary sponsor and many others (such as Roadhazrd and SunroofGTX to name a couple) have aslo joined in. I'm gratfull to all of them and if anybody owes anyone anything it's me. And for the record, It was Brad Penn oil in the motor.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688155 05/05/10 01:01 AM 05/05/10 01:01 AM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,584 sycamore,ohio B BobsProFab master
BobsProFab master B Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,584 sycamore,ohio	Man that really sucks ! nothing that cant be fixed, thats part of the game we call racing. Scott we have it back out in no time

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: 68 HEMI GTS] #688156 05/05/10 01:07 AM 05/05/10 01:07 AM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,317 State of confusion	Quote: Quote: Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM.. looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,, you can get away with alot, but stock main bolts are a no no. anything over 7 grand with a internal pickup is on borrowed time also. That said, I hope all works out for you next go around!! I must be one of the lucky ones over 10 years,two combos same rods,rod bolts,stock caps,same studs and thin wall 400 block, and internal oiling over 7000 many times and several 7500 rpm passes.....good thing I stopped racing when I did(for now). I hope you figure it out and make sure it doesn`t happen again and unless you`re trying to prove a point or the $$$`s not there, why not throw a roller in there and let er rip. Good luck............... 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Thumperdart] #688157 05/05/10 01:12 AM 05/05/10 01:12 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Dom, I have no point to prove, Just don't have the $$$$ for a roller. I'ld love to have a cam that will take full advantge of the port volume the heads now have.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688158 05/05/10 02:52 AM 05/05/10 02:52 AM
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 511 Temperance, MI 6 68 HEMI GTS mopar
68 HEMI GTS mopar 6 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 511 Temperance, MI	some people do get away with some stuff. i've done it myself. but i've also seen alot of carnage over the years of machining and building engines. if you take a look at his main saddles you can actually see some metal transfer from the caps walking around. BB mopars are real bad for that even at lower HP levels. aftermarket fasterns are a must for the main caps on any performace build. 68 Dart GTS "HEMI" 10.30 @ 131 pump gas street car 3780# 69 Roadrunner 511 six pack 10.92 drive to track street car

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: 68 HEMI GTS] #688159 05/05/10 07:05 AM 05/05/10 07:05 AM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 162 Greentown Indiana M moparmxz member
moparmxz member M Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 162 Greentown Indiana	My two cents is that the motor was wound a little to tight.I run a similar combo in my car and i keep the rev limiter at 7000(and when the electric shifter fouls up it has layed on the limiter with no bearing issues).I shift at 6200 and trap the quarter at 6700 which i feel is the threshold for a engine with internal oiling, at least that what i was always told.Oh also i agree with the others ditch the bolts and get some main studs. Randy Brough 1967 440 Dart S/P 6.37 106mph best eighth 3150 lbs

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688160 05/05/10 07:19 AM 05/05/10 07:19 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Bill, I forgot what the rpm was on the dyno for peak HP... and I'm too lazy to look Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 05/05/10 07:28 AM.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: moparmxz] #688161 05/05/10 07:26 AM 05/05/10 07:26 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,855 Staten Island N.Y. Dap top fuel
Dap top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,855 Staten Island N.Y.	Sorry to hear about the damage. I hope you get it back together soon. PRH446 10.084 @ 135.21 mph N/A through chambered mufflers,3300lbs. Stock stroke wedge

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: MR_P_BODY] #688162 05/05/10 07:28 AM 05/05/10 07:28 AM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 162 Greentown Indiana M moparmxz member
moparmxz member M Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 162 Greentown Indiana	I beleive it was 7400 which would scare me.lol Randy Brough 1967 440 Dart S/P 6.37 106mph best eighth 3150 lbs

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: moparmxz] #688163 05/05/10 07:55 AM 05/05/10 07:55 AM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,067 Orlando Florida blown572dart master
blown572dart master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,067 Orlando Florida	Really sucks to see that. I hope you get it back together quickly. Jimmy

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688164 05/05/10 08:27 AM 05/05/10 08:27 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Good luck with it Bill, racing always get's expensive. I never bonded with any of my racing parts. Some would stay for a while, some would get killed right away. It's just a part of racing. What size rods are you running? I have many good sets laying around...

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Challenger 1] #688165 05/05/10 10:16 AM 05/05/10 10:16 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	7400 was the most we pulled it to on the dyno. Challenger 1, they are stock lenght rods We'll most likely get 2 replacments from K 1. I can't see us getting a whole different set of rods. I'm really impressed with how the rods held up. I'm sure a lesser rod would have broke and ended in total disaster. Aside from the discoloration and the hammering there was no other damage to the rod. No bends or warpage. Quality part for sure.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688166 05/05/10 05:04 PM 05/05/10 05:04 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH B blownzoom440
blownzoom440 B Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH	bill do you think the spark plug may not have been firing?maybe it beat the bearing by not firing.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: DaKuda] #688167 05/05/10 06:43 PM 05/05/10 06:43 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill D dennismopar73 top fuel
dennismopar73 top fuel D Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill	lets just agree that we disagree

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: DaKuda] #688168 05/05/10 08:28 PM 05/05/10 08:28 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill D dennismopar73 top fuel
dennismopar73 top fuel D Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill	i agree with you im ignorant i know nothin

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: dennismopar73] #688169 05/05/10 08:38 PM 05/05/10 08:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc E emarine01 master
emarine01 master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	Man bad news, its good that you caught it as soon as you did It does look similar to hydro damage from cranking on the starter and mashing a rod bearing, we see this a lot with boat engines, I always turn my fuel pump on last and shut it off first , just don't trust a needle and seat rigs anymore

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: emarine01] #688170 05/05/10 09:10 PM 05/05/10 09:10 PM
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan B1Fish540 master
B1Fish540 master Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan	I did'nt mean to point figers as to whos the blame. We all learn from each others mistakes, it sounds like your sponsors will pick up some of the costs, Bill, so thats good. hope you can get back racing soon.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: B1Fish540] #688171 05/05/10 09:29 PM 05/05/10 09:29 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	I probably should try to get into the habit of playing that fuel pump game. Sounds like it could at least be one way to advoid a disatser. Chester, I realize you weren't trying to point fingers.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688172 05/05/10 09:33 PM 05/05/10 09:33 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH B blownzoom440
blownzoom440 B Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH	so you are giving in to the fuel pump theory.i guess sometime you just gotta move on.in the mean time you can have fun with the familys stuff.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688173 05/05/10 09:34 PM 05/05/10 09:34 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill D dennismopar73 top fuel
dennismopar73 top fuel D Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill	youll get back together in notime i can tell ya couple horor stories that happened to me sometimes its just bad luck

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: blownzoom440] #688174 05/05/10 09:39 PM 05/05/10 09:39 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	It's the only thing that makes sense Mike

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688175 05/05/10 09:46 PM 05/05/10 09:46 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH B blownzoom440
blownzoom440 B Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH	that is ok Bill.i dont want to drive you crazy because i want to think about it.now where was i.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688176 05/05/10 09:50 PM 05/05/10 09:50 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs Bob_Coomer master
Bob_Coomer master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs	That sucks Bill I seen a a few mention 7700 rpm's..Did the engine really see that kind of rpm? Was that with a flat tappet cam and RPM heads? How the heck did you even manage to get it to rev that high? Also look closely at those pistons, those pistons are using a generic valve relief, meaning there is no right or left piston you normally see on some other race type pistons.... I have found these pistons on a near zero deck limits cam lift below .650...of coarse many things come into play. But if the engine did spin that hard, even with the best valve springs ment for a flat tappet they wont control the valve that well at those rpm's your probably well under 400 lbs over the nose for open pressure... To turn a roller that high you would need double of that pressure. Of coarse this isnt a good comparo but... Hope every thing works out [color:"red"]65 Hemi Belvedere coming soon [/color] [color:"#00FF00"]557" Indy engine 1.07 60ft 144mph in the 8th 2100 lbs package [/color]

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Bob_Coomer] #688177 05/05/10 09:55 PM 05/05/10 09:55 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Quote: I seen a a few mention 7700 rpm's..Did the engine really see that kind of rpm? Was that with a flat tappet cam and RPM heads? How the heck did you even manage to get it to rev that high? Unfortuantly, yes. It did get aleast that high How, too loose of a conv. And yes it's a flat tappet cam and RPM heads.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688178 05/05/10 10:16 PM 05/05/10 10:16 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,449 nc E earthmover top fuel
earthmover top fuel E Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,449 nc	bill i dont know you but i did follow your build some even though im a small block guy but keep your head up and seems like your in good hands with scott and it will be well worth the wait, it always is....good luck with whatever you do

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688179 05/06/10 12:04 AM 05/06/10 12:04 AM
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SmokeyBurnout 67 member S Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 156 Pittsburgh, PA	OH MY BILL! OUCH, ouch, OUCH. I am sick to my stomach, what a mess. I hope you get everything back together soon. www.bowmanperformance.com

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: SmokeyBurnout 67] #688180 05/06/10 12:03 PM 05/06/10 12:03 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,178 Indy FlyFish super stock
FlyFish super stock Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,178 Indy	Soooo sorry about your motor. I have been folowing your build too...I hope you get it back together soon. Best of luck when you get it rebuilt. 67 Barracuda street car, 408, e85, 1.38 60', 6.44 @105.9 in the 1/8 mile, 10.19 @130.5 in the 1/4...so far....

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: MR_P_BODY] #688181 05/06/10 12:05 PM 05/06/10 12:05 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,505 TN S SCATPACK 1 pro stock
SCATPACK 1 pro stock S Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,505 TN	Quote: Quote: Quote: Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are lighter than the intakes... were these new springs? But isn't the exhaust much closer and chasing the valve? Chris.. Yes but you would think the heavier valve would have been floating easier and most likely sooner.... I dont know how close the valves were and I dont recall where the cam was put in at (that would tell which valve was closer) The intake Valves probably did float. But remember the intake floats when the piston is at the bottom of its stroke, while the exhaust valve float occurs when the piston is at the top of the cylinder. That would explain why only the exhaust valves marked. If the intake valves had marked, I would suspect something other than valve float. Jerry Old Geezer Racing

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: moparniac] #688182 05/06/10 12:15 PM 05/06/10 12:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,042 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,042 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Quote: Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM.. looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,, Kaleno block... i dont understand using no studs though That is not a koleno block , it's a stock block , koleno should be crossbolted and the main caps have pentastars on them .

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: JohnRR] #688183 05/06/10 01:57 PM 05/06/10 01:57 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	He might have confused my build with Mikes (metal storm) build. Mike is using the KP block. Mine is a factory 72 block.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: SCATPACK 1] #688184 05/06/10 03:49 PM 05/06/10 03:49 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	The intake Valves probably did float. But remember the intake floats when the piston is at the bottom of its stroke, while the exhaust valve float occurs when the piston is at the top of the cylinder. That would explain why only the exhaust valves marked. If the intake valves had marked, I would suspect something other than valve float. Jerry True.... the piston is on the way down when the intake is open... the intake is chasing the piston while the piston is chasing the exhaust valve

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: MR_P_BODY] #688185 05/06/10 04:02 PM 05/06/10 04:02 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,200 UK 6 602heavy pro stock
602heavy pro stock 6 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,200 UK	How much preload on the lifter? , maybe too much & the lifter pumped up when it left the lobe.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: 602heavy] #688186 05/06/10 05:30 PM 05/06/10 05:30 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again Moparnut426 I Live Here
Moparnut426 I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again	I THOUGHT IT WAS A SOLID CAM?

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Moparnut426] #688187 05/06/10 06:47 PM 05/06/10 06:47 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH B blownzoom440
blownzoom440 B Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH	Quote: I THOUGHT IT WAS A SOLID CAM? it is a solid. if we cant resolve his issues faster than this it will be running again before he knows anything. is the crank sent for grinding? is scott doing anything to the engine at this point? Last edited by METAL STORM; 05/06/10 06:53 PM.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: 602heavy] #688188 05/06/10 06:49 PM 05/06/10 06:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,119 sc T tjmarcus1 top fuel
tjmarcus1 top fuel T Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,119 sc	Quote: How much preload on the lifter? , maybe too much & the lifter pumped up when it left the lobe. a hydraulic turning 7700?

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: tjmarcus1] #688189 05/06/10 06:56 PM 05/06/10 06:56 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,200 UK 6 602heavy pro stock
602heavy pro stock 6 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,200 UK	Ah , so it's a solid then. Not unheard of turniing a hyd 7500 with the correct springs & preload.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: 602heavy] #688190 05/06/10 07:39 PM 05/06/10 07:39 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Sorry guys, it is a solid cam Scott is Magna Fluxing the crank to check for cracks and then we'll see about sending it out to be cut or not. It all depends on how the crank checks out and as of this post I haven't heard yet

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688191 05/06/10 07:59 PM 05/06/10 07:59 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH B blownzoom440
blownzoom440 B Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH	do you have the spark plugs around,how did the 1 with the bad rod look? what # cam bearing was that that came out?

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688192 05/06/10 08:01 PM 05/06/10 08:01 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S. M moparniac master
moparniac master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S.	Quote: He might have confused my build with Mikes (metal storm) build. Mike is using the KP block. Mine is a factory 72 block. yes I did. Mopar Performance

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: moparniac] #688193 05/06/10 08:13 PM 05/06/10 08:13 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	All the plugs looked the same. IIRC it was the second bearing that came out.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: moparniac] #688194 05/06/10 08:14 PM 05/06/10 08:14 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH B blownzoom440
blownzoom440 B Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH	Quote: Quote: He might have confused my build with Mikes (metal storm) build. Mike is using the KP block. Mine is a factory 72 block. yes I did. he did say he was going to switch the block on me with his.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: blownzoom440] #688195 05/06/10 09:28 PM 05/06/10 09:28 PM
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,047 Mooresburg, Tn ' '72CudaRacer top fuel
'72CudaRacer top fuel ' Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,047 Mooresburg, Tn	I think it was the blue paint that did your engine in. I tried to tell you... Brian Last edited by '72CudaRacer; 05/06/10 09:29 PM.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: '72CudaRacer] #688196 05/06/10 09:48 PM 05/06/10 09:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,353 Aurora, Oh. M max_maniac master
max_maniac master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,353 Aurora, Oh.	Bill, sorry to see this after all the work you put into it. I hope you can get it back toghther soon so you can get back out there but at least for now you can really focus on the yellow car for dad and the jr's for the kids and still have fun. I do have to ask though did you not have any kind of chip/rev limiter to stop it from going over 7k Russ

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: max_maniac] #688197 05/06/10 10:57 PM 05/06/10 10:57 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Yeah, I probably should have stuxk with the old shade of blue Russ, We were actually looking to trap just over 7000 but not quite that high. The only chip I had over 7000 was an 8000 so I put that in. Looks like I'm shopping for some MSD pills now that you mention it.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688198 05/07/10 07:14 AM 05/07/10 07:14 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 22,873 Chicken coop dustergirl340 Chicken Little
dustergirl340 Chicken Little Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 22,873 Chicken coop	Should have painted it green , then it would have been fine. Sorry to see this, Bill. For my little 340 I set my limiter at 6,200. I'm wussy.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: dustergirl340] #688199 05/07/10 07:32 AM 05/07/10 07:32 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: . For my little 340 I set my limiter at 6,200. I'm wussy. It sounds like you drive it like a little girl!!! haaaaaaaa!!!

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Challenger 1] #688200 05/07/10 07:53 AM 05/07/10 07:53 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 22,873 Chicken coop dustergirl340 Chicken Little
dustergirl340 Chicken Little Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 22,873 Chicken coop	Yeah, but it still runs after 5 years of racing.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: dustergirl340] #688201 05/07/10 07:54 AM 05/07/10 07:54 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Yeah, but it still runs after 5 years of racing.

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