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Re: Tear down has begun
[Re: Moparnut426]
#688150
05/04/10 11:47 PM
05/04/10 11:47 PM
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Overland Park, KS.
Joshs68
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type of oil nothing to do with this
:ha ha:  uster Work:
I wouldn't laugh too hard, I have heard the same thing and NONE of my Dirt car buddies who run drunk engines run synthetic. They do however run Brad Penn which has some synthetic additives. They all have told me similar things dealing with fast wear issues.
Kasey
A couple guys I work with run modifieds on alcohol, said the same thing. Both run Brad Penn.
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Re: Tear down has begun
[Re: HEMI472]
#688151
05/05/10 12:06 AM
05/05/10 12:06 AM
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Canton, Ohio
Sport440
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Wow, what a roller coaster ride this has been! Cant believe this has happened, Bill. I hope Scott makes it all good for you...I think he should throw in a new cam and crank for you!
so whos going to pay for this????????????????
you or scott??????????? 
From my take this has been a joint Sponsered effort by both Scott and Bill and many others who have joined in to assist on the project.
With Scott being a primary sponser with this build assistance and dyno time.
He Deserves nothing less then respect and appreciation. IMO 
Hey, They , Dont call Wild Bill!, Wild Bill for nothing!! I think hes to Blame!!  mike  
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Re: Tear down has begun
[Re: CHAPPER]
#688153
05/05/10 12:49 AM
05/05/10 12:49 AM
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Temperance, MI
68 HEMI GTS
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Temperance, MI
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Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM..
looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,,
 you can get away with alot, but stock main bolts are a no no. anything over 7 grand with a internal pickup is on borrowed time also.
That said, I hope all works out for you next go around!!
68 Dart GTS "HEMI" 10.30 @ 131 pump gas street car 3780#
69 Roadrunner 511 six pack 10.92 drive to track street car
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Re: Tear down has begun
[Re: ksj]
#688154
05/05/10 12:49 AM
05/05/10 12:49 AM
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BROOK PARK, OH
WILD BILL
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First off I'ld like to thank everyone for there support and offers of assistance  As of right now we are still looking to see what is usable but if it comes to needinng something that someone has offered I will let you know.
Second, IF there is any blame to be burdened by anyone it must fall soley on my shoulders. We are fairly certain that the stuck needle and seat that dumped quit a bit of alky through the boosters whenever I had the pump on was the first domino to fall. Could I have caught that sooner? Maybe. Could I have missed it ll together and bent a rod hydrolocking the motor? Yep. Does it really help to beat myself up over it? Hasn't yet
Sport440's assement is correct. Koffle's Place being the primary sponsor and many others (such as Roadhazrd and SunroofGTX to name a couple) have aslo joined in. I'm gratfull to all of them and if anybody owes anyone anything it's me.
And for the record, It was Brad Penn oil in the motor.
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Re: Tear down has begun
[Re: WILD BILL]
#688155
05/05/10 01:01 AM
05/05/10 01:01 AM
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sycamore,ohio
BobsProFab
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Man that really sucks ! nothing that cant be fixed, thats part of the game we call racing. Scott we have it back out in no time
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Re: Tear down has begun
[Re: 68 HEMI GTS]
#688156
05/05/10 01:07 AM
05/05/10 01:07 AM
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State of confusion
Thumperdart
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Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM..
looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,,
you can get away with alot, but stock main bolts are a no no. anything over 7 grand with a internal pickup is on borrowed time also.
That said, I hope all works out for you next go around!!
I must be one of the lucky ones  over 10 years,two combos same rods,rod bolts,stock caps,same studs and thin wall 400 block, and internal oiling over 7000 many times and several 7500 rpm passes.....good thing I stopped racing when I did(for now). I hope you figure it out and make sure it doesn`t happen again and unless you`re trying to prove a point or the $$$`s not there, why not throw a roller in there and let er rip. Good luck...............
72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
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Re: Tear down has begun
[Re: WILD BILL]
#688158
05/05/10 02:52 AM
05/05/10 02:52 AM
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Joined: May 2009
Posts: 511
Temperance, MI
68 HEMI GTS
mopar
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mopar
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Temperance, MI
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some people do get away with some stuff. i've done it myself. but i've also seen alot of carnage over the years of machining and building engines. if you take a look at his main saddles you can actually see some metal transfer from the caps walking around. BB mopars are real bad for that even at lower HP levels. aftermarket fasterns are a must for the main caps on any performace build. 
68 Dart GTS "HEMI" 10.30 @ 131 pump gas street car 3780#
69 Roadrunner 511 six pack 10.92 drive to track street car
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Re: Tear down has begun
[Re: 68 HEMI GTS]
#688159
05/05/10 07:05 AM
05/05/10 07:05 AM
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Greentown Indiana
moparmxz
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My two cents is that the motor was wound a little to tight.I run a similar combo in my car and i keep the rev limiter at 7000(and when the electric shifter fouls up it has layed on the limiter with no bearing issues).I shift at 6200 and trap the quarter at 6700 which i feel is the threshold for a engine with internal oiling, at least that what i was always told.Oh also i agree with the others ditch the bolts and get some main studs.
Randy Brough
1967 440 Dart S/P
6.37 106mph best eighth 3150 lbs
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Re: Tear down has begun
[Re: moparmxz]
#688161
05/05/10 07:26 AM
05/05/10 07:26 AM
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Staten Island N.Y.
Dap
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Sorry to hear about the damage. I hope you get it back together soon.
PRH446
10.084 @ 135.21 mph N/A through chambered mufflers,3300lbs. Stock stroke wedge
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Re: Tear down has begun
[Re: Challenger 1]
#688165
05/05/10 10:16 AM
05/05/10 10:16 AM
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Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 10,542
BROOK PARK, OH
WILD BILL
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BROOK PARK, OH
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7400 was the most we pulled it to on the dyno.
Challenger 1, they are stock lenght rods
We'll most likely get 2 replacments from K 1. I can't see us getting a whole different set of rods.
I'm really impressed with how the rods held up. I'm sure a lesser rod would have broke and ended in total disaster. Aside from the discoloration and the hammering there was no other damage to the rod. No bends or warpage. Quality part for sure.
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.Stuff happens and no reason to place blame anywhere.If there is its between them and no one else and I doubt that is the situation.
