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Tear down has begun

Posted By: WILD BILL

Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 05:15 PM

Kinda found what we all expected when te pan came down

I really didn't think the rod would look this bad though

Glitter every where

Looks like I also floated the valves a lttle while the motor was spinning past where we wanted to take it

They didn't all hit at least

Does look like that piston did kiss the head though

So far we don't think either are hurt but we will have to look closer once everything is clean and apart.

I will say Scott is taking this a lot better than I am.

Posted By: HEMIDARTS

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 05:17 PM

dam Bill, sorry to hear this!

Posted By: DemonDust

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 05:21 PM

That sucks Bill

Hopefully it's not too bad and you don't have any bent valves. My 340 hit had a couple valves hit on a missed shift but never bent them.

The rods on the other hand might be toast

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 05:31 PM

Bummer Bill but its about what you were guessing,
hopefully its not too bad... that rod sure is blue

Posted By: quick77rt

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 05:32 PM

That does blow, ive sorta been reading the prior posts.

Myself being a rookie builder and always trying to learn more, Im asking this in a respectful learning type of way, why does it look like multiple things went wrong?

I dont see how the bad rod would factor in with the valve float, pistons hitting the head on more then one hole.

I run approx .037 quench on my small block strokers and in some ways expect to see some signs of running so tight next time its apart.

So what went wrong here overall.

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 05:41 PM

i am home with a sick grand kid.now this is making me feel

sorry to see all this.

Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 05:45 PM

Bill, are the psions with valve conatct the same ones that spun and ate the bearings? If so that may be where the extra clearances came from for the piston to hit the valves. If not it is time to check all of the valve to piston clearances when you put it back together. I have seen as much as .130 differences at the retainer when checking rocker arms for lift on the same lobes of the cam

Now, if you can figure out why it ate those bearings it will not be a total loss. I always worry about something going wrong on all of my new motors

, hopefully all of your next ones will be trouble free

Posted By: maximum entropy

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 05:53 PM

is that rod with the piston that touched the head ?

Posted By: quick77rt

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 06:08 PM

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is that rod with the piston that touched the head ?

Thats part of my reasoning for asking as well....it sucks a bad rod bearing could cause so many issues.

Ive had an oem rod that blue in a 383 but it locked up the motor going down the interstate. That would really suck on the track.

Posted By: 9 Sec Phill

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 06:08 PM

Bill, looks like you had multiple problems, the bearing going south started the #3 piston to hit the head im sure. The valves toutching the pistons could be rockers, cam lift or a thinner head gasket then what was used when testing. Looks like more care will be needed checking the clearances this next time around. I hope you find all the problems that made this mess for you and get them straightend out so you can have some trouble free passes with even a better New best...Best of luck to you....Phill

Posted By: 70blackfish

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 06:20 PM

no studs on mains

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 06:21 PM

Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are
lighter than the intakes... were these new springs?

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 08:44 PM

Let me see if I can answer everyones Question

We think it may have started when I first tried to fire the motor in the car and unknowingly had a needle and seat sticking open. Didn't notice that untill I saw a puddle of alky come out of the header. Thought we caught it in time and didn't hydro the motor but now it's looking like that might have caused the bearing failure which just got worse as I made the few passes I did make.

The valve float we can only atribute to the loose conv allow the motor to spin higher than we ever wanted. The piston with the missing rod bearing did contact the head but not bad and it was not one of the ones with a wittnes mark from a valve. The springs are not new and are the same ones supplied with the heads when I bought them in 2006.

Also looks like a little bearing matterial imbeeded in the cam lobes

One of the cam bearing tried to come off with the cam.

Hopefully I didn't hurt the crank to much

Full pic of the rod with the failed bearing.

Thankfuly we had a very good rod in it as I don't see how a stock rod would not have let go under these circumstances.

Thanks KI Technologies

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 08:47 PM

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Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are
lighter than the intakes... were these new springs?

But isn't the exhaust much closer and chasing the valve?

Chris..

Posted By: tboomer

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 09:07 PM

Aww...Bill...That really sucks!! You and Scott put your hearts into that thing...I sure wish ya the best of luck!! Ted

Posted By: Joshs68

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 09:34 PM

Too bad Bill, hope you get it fixed up and back on track!

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 09:49 PM

how does the cam look where thr bearing was stuck to it?
i expected the crank to be burned also.

Posted By: sg66mopar

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 10:11 PM

So you're gonna have it goin' putt-putt and at the track by Sunday, RIGHT?

Sorry for the misfortune but at least you didn't dump oil and get hurt.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 10:15 PM

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Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are
lighter than the intakes... were these new springs?

But isn't the exhaust much closer and chasing the valve?

Chris..

Yes but you would think the heavier valve would have
been floating easier and most likely sooner.... I
dont know how close the valves were and I dont recall
where the cam was put in at (that would tell which
valve was closer)

Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 10:16 PM

hey bill sorry for all of this
i was really hopping for the best
just a opinon of mine
blue of any sort is heat!
on a crank comes from lack of oiling
just like the bearing on the cam
so much 'trash' metal trying to go thru and cant
do you run a line off the pump to back of the motor (where the pressure gage goes)??

old ss stock trick
ask scott if he thinks that cavitation of the oil pump might be another issue ???

but the bright side is it didnt kill the block
all the rods stayed in

anyhow bill i will be the first to make a donation to help you out
just give me address to send
it to and i will

Posted By: n20mstr

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 10:34 PM

these things happen, Only thing i dont like, that oil pan seems like it has almost no baffling to keep the oil in the sump, Id put an external pickup on there if for nothing else but to get a good solidly welded baffle on there to keep oil in the sump under accleration.
Only a sugestion as im sure Scott knows a lot more than me...LOL

Posted By: CHAPPER

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 11:10 PM

Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM..
looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,,

Posted By: moparacer

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 11:19 PM

Looks bad but you are lucky it didn't decide to kick the #3 and #4 rods out in the traps the way they look. J.M.O. but I would throw the cam in the scrap pile too.

Did it throw any debris up behind the piston skirts and scuff up the cylinder walls?

Any time I ever had a mishap like that it did.

Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 11:38 PM

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Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are
lighter than the intakes... were these new springs?

But isn't the exhaust much closer and chasing the valve?

Chris..

The exhaust valves are the ones trying to get closed
before the piston catches them.

Intakes are opening as the piston travels downward on
the "intake stroke" and usually in closest proximity to
each other between 5� and 10� ATDC.

If a piston hits an intake valve, it was either assembled
wrong or something went VERY wrong.

I hope it's not too expensive Bill.

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/04/10 11:58 PM

with the valve marks on the pistons will there be other signs of dammage on the pushrods,rockers,lifters,cam?i was looking at the oiling path and thinking if maybe it starved the oil somehow to the rod and the valve events maybe had something to do with it.it would take a lot for that to happin i think.

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Posted By: moper

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 12:31 AM

Racing with old springs is a problem and might be why they kissed on some but not all. Also, it's a flat tappet... You can be bleeding oil out certain lifters if they are loose too.

Posted By: Dads426

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 12:40 AM

Curious to know what the #2 main bearing looked like? (missing in pic). Did it slip out of the tab and partially block the oil hole in the block? That rod would have gotten oil from #2 main. Oil hole in crank clear?

Posted By: 727builder

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 12:53 AM

I think the 7700 rpms hurt it. Few friends run that 555 solid comp cam and about 6400 it's out of power for them. Think i would toss the stock main bolts and throw in some arp main bolts.
Hope you get her back together soon. Good luck!

Posted By: 602heavy

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 12:55 AM

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Curious to know what the #2 main bearing looked like? (missing in pic). Did it slip out of the tab and partially block the oil hole in the block? That rod would have gotten oil from #2 main. Oil hole in crank clear?

#2 rod looks fine so thinking some debris got lodged in oil way from #2 main journal to #3 rod journal.

.....................did #3 piston hit the head? , may of egged the rod journal causing the overheat issues.

Posted By: roadhazard

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 01:15 AM

Wow, worse than I thought it was going to be.

What side did the fuel come out of the header? The left??

Wish I still had my spare .613 Ultradyne for you to try

You have my # if you need me

Posted By: dartman366

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 01:15 AM

it's bad enough to mess thing's up for you but not messed up enough to ruin every thing, from the pic's crank look's fixable, the burn't rod's are toast and the cam is junk, at least it didn't trash the block, as far as the witness mark's on the piston's,, look's like some valve float from the over rev, and I have seen worse,,,let see

10 day's till Columbus and it's all in the shop,,,,,,you might be in the trailer hooking everything up while Dad is driving the motorhome down the interstate,,,but it can be done.

if you need anything,,then let me know.

Posted By: demon440

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 01:41 AM

I have a stock, 10 under forged crank in my 440.
Let me know if you need it.

Posted By: Moparnut426

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 01:55 AM

Sorry to see that, and it sucks too see all that cash go up in smoke for you. Atleast it didnt make an unexpended window, and wipe out the car going through the traps. I wish i had bi block parts cause Id help if i could.

Kasey

Posted By: DaKuda

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 01:58 AM

Question....did you run Synthetic oil with Alky?? Have a friend that had one do the same thing. A very well know engine shop told us never run synthetic oil with our Alky. We have since changed to Valvoline VR-1 race oil with no problems since. His was running synthetic and only ran a short time. Did the SAME things yours did minus the valve float/piston problems.....

Posted By: moparniac

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 02:09 AM

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Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM..
looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,,

Kaleno block... i dont understand using no studs though

Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 02:21 AM

type of oil nothin to do with this

Posted By: Moparnut426

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 02:42 AM

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type of oil nothin to do with this

I wouldnt laugh too hard, I have heard the same thing and NONE of my Dirt car buddies who run drunk engines run synthetic. They do however run Brad Penn which has some synthetic addiitives. They all have told me similar things dealing with fast wear issues.

Kasey

Posted By: B1Fish540

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 02:50 AM

Wow, what a roller coaster ride this has been! Cant believe this has happened, Bill. I hope Scott makes it all good for you...I think he should throw in a new cam and crank for you!

Posted By: DaKuda

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 02:56 AM

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type of oil nothin to do with this

You have now shown your ignorance...

Posted By: HEMI472

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 03:22 AM

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Wow, what a roller coaster ride this has been! Cant believe this has happened, Bill. I hope Scott makes it all good for you...I think he should throw in a new cam and crank for you!

so whos going to pay for this????????????????

you or scott???????????

Posted By: Joshs68

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 03:47 AM

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type of oil nothing to do with this
:ha ha: uster Work:

I wouldn't laugh too hard, I have heard the same thing and NONE of my Dirt car buddies who run drunk engines run synthetic. They do however run Brad Penn which has some synthetic additives. They all have told me similar things dealing with fast wear issues.

Kasey

A couple guys I work with run modifieds on alcohol, said the same thing. Both run Brad Penn.

Posted By: Sport440

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 04:06 AM

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Wow, what a roller coaster ride this has been! Cant believe this has happened, Bill. I hope Scott makes it all good for you...I think he should throw in a new cam and crank for you!

so whos going to pay for this????????????????

you or scott???????????

From my take this has been a joint Sponsered effort by both Scott and Bill and many others who have joined in to assist on the project.

With Scott being a primary sponser with this build assistance and dyno time.

He Deserves nothing less then respect and appreciation. IMO

Hey, They , Dont call Wild Bill!, Wild Bill for nothing!! I think hes to Blame!!

mike

Posted By: ksj

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 04:11 AM

Scott seems to be more "BLUE" about it than Bill

.Stuff happens and no reason to place blame anywhere.If there is its between them and no one else and I doubt that is the situation.

Posted By: 68 HEMI GTS

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 04:49 AM

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Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM..
looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,,

you can get away with alot, but stock main bolts are a no no. anything over 7 grand with a internal pickup is on borrowed time also.

That said, I hope all works out for you next go around!!

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 04:49 AM

First off I'ld like to thank everyone for there support and offers of assistance

As of right now we are still looking to see what is usable but if it comes to needinng something that someone has offered I will let you know.

Second, IF there is any blame to be burdened by anyone it must fall soley on my shoulders. We are fairly certain that the stuck needle and seat that dumped quit a bit of alky through the boosters whenever I had the pump on was the first domino to fall. Could I have caught that sooner? Maybe. Could I have missed it ll together and bent a rod hydrolocking the motor? Yep. Does it really help to beat myself up over it? Hasn't yet

Sport440's assement is correct. Koffle's Place being the primary sponsor and many others (such as Roadhazrd and SunroofGTX to name a couple) have aslo joined in. I'm gratfull to all of them and if anybody owes anyone anything it's me.

And for the record, It was Brad Penn oil in the motor.

Posted By: BobsProFab

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 05:01 AM

Man that really sucks !

nothing that cant be fixed, thats part of the game we call racing.

Scott we have it back out in no time

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 05:07 AM

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Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM..
looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,,

you can get away with alot, but stock main bolts are a no no. anything over 7 grand with a internal pickup is on borrowed time also.

That said, I hope all works out for you next go around!!

I must be one of the lucky ones

over 10 years,two combos same rods,rod bolts,stock caps,same studs and thin wall 400 block, and internal oiling over 7000 many times and several 7500 rpm passes.....good thing I stopped racing when I did(for now). I hope you figure it out and make sure it doesn`t happen again and unless you`re trying to prove a point or the $$$`s not there, why not throw a roller in there and let er rip. Good luck...............

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 05:12 AM

Dom, I have no point to prove, Just don't have the $$$$ for a roller.

I'ld love to have a cam that will take full advantge of the port volume the heads now have.

Posted By: 68 HEMI GTS

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 06:52 AM

some people do get away with some stuff. i've done it myself. but i've also seen alot of carnage over the years of machining and building engines.

if you take a look at his main saddles you can actually see some metal transfer from the caps walking around. BB mopars are real bad for that even at lower HP levels. aftermarket fasterns are a must for the main caps on any performace build.

Posted By: moparmxz

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 11:05 AM

My two cents is that the motor was wound a little to tight.I run a similar combo in my car and i keep the rev limiter at 7000(and when the electric shifter fouls up it has layed on the limiter with no bearing issues).I shift at 6200 and trap the quarter at 6700 which i feel is the threshold for a engine with internal oiling, at least that what i was always told.Oh also i agree with the others ditch the bolts and get some main studs.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 11:19 AM

Bill, I forgot what the rpm was on the dyno for peak
HP... and I'm too lazy to look

Posted By: Dap

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 11:26 AM

Sorry to hear about the damage. I hope you get it back together soon.

Posted By: moparmxz

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 11:28 AM

I beleive it was 7400 which would scare me.lol

Posted By: blown572dart

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 11:55 AM

Really sucks to see that. I hope you get it back together quickly.

Jimmy

Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 12:27 PM

Good luck with it Bill, racing always get's expensive.

I never bonded with any of my racing parts. Some would stay for a while, some would get killed right away. It's just a part of racing.
What size rods are you running? I have many good sets laying around...

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 02:16 PM

7400 was the most we pulled it to on the dyno.

Challenger 1, they are stock lenght rods

We'll most likely get 2 replacments from K 1. I can't see us getting a whole different set of rods.

I'm really impressed with how the rods held up. I'm sure a lesser rod would have broke and ended in total disaster. Aside from the discoloration and the hammering there was no other damage to the rod. No bends or warpage. Quality part for sure.

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 09:04 PM

bill do you think the spark plug may not have been firing?maybe it beat the bearing by not firing.

Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/05/10 10:43 PM

lets just agree that we disagree

Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 12:28 AM

i agree with you im ignorant
i know nothin

Posted By: emarine01

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 12:38 AM

Man bad news, its good that you caught it as soon as you did

It does look similar to hydro damage from cranking on the starter and mashing a rod bearing, we see this a lot with boat engines, I always turn my fuel pump on last and shut it off first , just don't trust a needle and seat rigs anymore

Posted By: B1Fish540

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 01:10 AM

I did'nt mean to point figers as to whos the blame. We all learn from each others mistakes, it sounds like your sponsors will pick up some of the costs, Bill, so thats good.
hope you can get back racing soon.

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 01:29 AM

I probably should try to get into the habit of playing that fuel pump game. Sounds like it could at least be one way to advoid a disatser.

Chester, I realize you weren't trying to point fingers.

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 01:33 AM

so you are giving in to the fuel pump theory.i guess sometime you just gotta move on.in the mean time you can have fun with the familys stuff.

Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 01:34 AM

youll get back together in notime
i can tell ya couple horor stories that happened to me
sometimes its just bad luck

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 01:39 AM

It's the only thing that makes sense Mike

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 01:46 AM

that is ok Bill.i dont want to drive you crazy because i want to think about it.now where was i.

Posted By: Bob_Coomer

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 01:50 AM

That sucks Bill I seen a a few mention 7700 rpm's..Did the engine really see that kind of rpm? Was that with a flat tappet cam and RPM heads? How the heck did you even manage to get it to rev that high?

Also look closely at those pistons, those pistons are using a generic valve relief, meaning there is no right or left piston you normally see on some other race type pistons....
I have found these pistons on a near zero deck limits cam lift below .650...of coarse many things come into play. But if the engine did spin that hard, even with the best valve springs ment for a flat tappet they wont control the valve that well at those rpm's your probably well under 400 lbs over the nose for open pressure...
To turn a roller that high you would need double of that pressure. Of coarse this isnt a good comparo but...
Hope every thing works out

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 01:55 AM

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I seen a a few mention 7700 rpm's..Did the engine really see that kind of rpm? Was that with a flat tappet cam and RPM heads? How the heck did you even manage to get it to rev that high?

Unfortuantly, yes. It did get aleast that high

How, too loose of a conv.

And yes it's a flat tappet cam and RPM heads.

Posted By: earthmover

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 02:16 AM

bill i dont know you but i did follow your build some even though im a small block guy but keep your head up and seems like your in good hands with scott and it will be well worth the wait, it always is....good luck with whatever you do

Posted By: SmokeyBurnout 67

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 04:04 AM

OH MY BILL! OUCH, ouch, OUCH. I am sick to my stomach, what a mess. I hope you get everything back together soon.

Posted By: FlyFish

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 04:03 PM

Soooo sorry about your motor. I have been folowing your build too...I hope you get it back together soon. Best of luck when you get it rebuilt.

Posted By: SCATPACK 1

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 04:05 PM

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Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are
lighter than the intakes... were these new springs?

But isn't the exhaust much closer and chasing the valve?

Chris..

Yes but you would think the heavier valve would have
been floating easier and most likely sooner.... I
dont know how close the valves were and I dont recall
where the cam was put in at (that would tell which
valve was closer)

The intake Valves probably did float. But remember the intake floats when the piston is at the bottom of its stroke, while the exhaust valve float occurs when the piston is at the top of the cylinder. That would explain why only the exhaust valves marked. If the intake valves had marked, I would suspect something other than valve float.
Jerry

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 04:15 PM

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Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM..
looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,,

Kaleno block... i dont understand using no studs though

That is not a koleno block , it's a stock block , koleno should be crossbolted and the main caps have pentastars on them .

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 05:57 PM

He might have confused my build with Mikes (metal storm) build. Mike is using the KP block. Mine is a factory 72 block.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 07:49 PM

True.... the piston is on the way down when the intake is open...
the intake is chasing the piston while the piston is
chasing the exhaust valve

Posted By: 602heavy

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 08:02 PM

How much preload on the lifter? , maybe too much & the lifter pumped up when it left the lobe.

Posted By: Moparnut426

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 09:30 PM

I THOUGHT IT WAS A SOLID CAM?

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 10:47 PM

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I THOUGHT IT WAS A SOLID CAM?

it is a solid.

if we cant resolve his issues faster than this it will be running again before he knows anything.
is the crank sent for grinding?
is scott doing anything to the engine at this point?

Posted By: tjmarcus1

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 10:49 PM

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How much preload on the lifter? , maybe too much & the lifter pumped up when it left the lobe.

a hydraulic turning 7700?

Posted By: 602heavy

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 10:56 PM

Ah , so it's a solid then.

Not unheard of turniing a hyd 7500 with the correct springs & preload.

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 11:39 PM

Sorry guys, it is a solid cam

Scott is Magna Fluxing the crank to check for cracks and then we'll see about sending it out to be cut or not.

It all depends on how the crank checks out and as of this post I haven't heard yet

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/06/10 11:59 PM

do you have the spark plugs around,how did the 1 with the bad rod look?
what # cam bearing was that that came out?

Posted By: moparniac

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/07/10 12:01 AM

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He might have confused my build with Mikes (metal storm) build. Mike is using the KP block. Mine is a factory 72 block.

yes I did.

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/07/10 12:13 AM

All the plugs looked the same. IIRC it was the second bearing that came out.

Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/07/10 12:14 AM

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He might have confused my build with Mikes (metal storm) build. Mike is using the KP block. Mine is a factory 72 block.

yes I did.

he did say he was going to switch the block on me with his.

Posted By: '72CudaRacer

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/07/10 01:28 AM

I think it was the blue paint that did your engine in.

I tried to tell you...

Brian

Posted By: max_maniac

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/07/10 01:48 AM

Bill, sorry to see this after all the work you put into it. I hope you can get it back toghther soon so you can get back out there but at least for now you can really focus on the yellow car for dad and the jr's for the kids and still have fun. I do have to ask though did you not have any kind of chip/rev limiter to stop it from going over 7k

Russ

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/07/10 02:57 AM

Yeah, I probably should have stuxk with the old shade of blue

Russ, We were actually looking to trap just over 7000 but not quite that high. The only chip I had over 7000 was an 8000 so I put that in.

Looks like I'm shopping for some MSD pills now that you mention it.

Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/07/10 11:14 AM

Should have painted it green , then it would have been fine. Sorry to see this, Bill.

For my little 340 I set my limiter at 6,200. I'm wussy.

Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/07/10 11:32 AM

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For my little 340 I set my limiter at 6,200. I'm wussy.

It sounds like you drive it like a little girl!!! haaaaaaaa!!!

Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/07/10 11:53 AM

Yeah, but it still runs after 5 years of racing.

Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Tear down has begun - 05/07/10 11:54 AM

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Yeah, but it still runs after 5 years of racing.