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Please Compare These Pistons... #623860 02/25/10 11:05 AM 02/25/10 11:05 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame... T tboomer OP Too Many Posts
tboomer OP Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame...	Summit has a pretty good deal going on these pistons..The first is an SRP flat top..It has a comp. distance of 2.062 in. and piston head volume of + 6.00ccs...The Wiseco has a comp. distance of 2.050 in. and a piston head volume of + 4.00 ccs.. Both are flat tops and for a big block...Which would you choose and why?? Thanks!! Ted Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: tboomer] #623861 02/25/10 11:33 AM 02/25/10 11:33 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	For me it would be 2 factors... what compression I was shooting for and then what the deck height is

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: MR_P_BODY] #623862 02/25/10 11:37 AM 02/25/10 11:37 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	You already know what I would say and why

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: WILD BILL] #623863 02/25/10 11:39 AM 02/25/10 11:39 AM
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tboomer OP Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame...	Raff...I want the most compression I can get...My heads are 80cc but could be shaved to 75cc..Bill...I already know what you would...Errr are using!! Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: tboomer] #623864 02/25/10 11:55 AM 02/25/10 11:55 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,846 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,846 S.E. Michigan	I see they're both for a 1.094 wrist pin? Are you going to use aftermarket rods or stock? Most aftermarket ones are .008" shorter than stock so that will play into it, if you're trying to keep any milling done to the block to a minimum.

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: ZIPPY] #623865 02/25/10 12:01 PM 02/25/10 12:01 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: ZIPPY] #623866 02/25/10 12:06 PM 02/25/10 12:06 PM
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tboomer OP Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame...	Rich...I have different rods...I will measure one...Never thought about that!! What are you whistling for,Bill.. Must be happy about something... Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: tboomer] #623867 02/25/10 12:09 PM 02/25/10 12:09 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	What heads are you using? We shaved my 84cc Eddys down .090 and got the chambers to 64 cc for a 12-1 CR

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: WILD BILL] #623868 02/25/10 12:11 PM 02/25/10 12:11 PM
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tboomer OP Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame...	MP aluminum 383-440 street heads..80cc.. Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: tboomer] #623869 02/25/10 01:38 PM 02/25/10 01:38 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor master
VernMotor master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	I have the same heads as Ted and took .070 off them and I have dome pistons.I fly cut the pistons also.

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: VernMotor] #623870 02/25/10 02:07 PM 02/25/10 02:07 PM
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tboomer OP Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame...	Vern...didn't you have TRW 2295s? That is what I have now... Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: tboomer] #623871 02/25/10 08:56 PM 02/25/10 08:56 PM
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,042 Mooresburg, Tn ' '72CudaRacer top fuel
'72CudaRacer top fuel ' Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,042 Mooresburg, Tn	Quote: Raff...I want the most compression I can get...My heads are 80cc but could be shaved to 75cc..Bill...I already know what you would...Errr are using!! Ted, Why don't you quit diddlin' around with flat tops and just put DOME pistons in it? These are Ross #99501, won't fit your rods though, .990 pins. You can use #99500. Brian 5830393-Pistons008.JPG (74 downloads)

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: tboomer] #623872 02/25/10 08:59 PM 02/25/10 08:59 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor master
VernMotor master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	yep thats what I got Ted. next build will better pistons... I had 3 new sets of these over the years and I keep useing them up..LOL On the last set now !!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: tboomer] #623873 02/25/10 10:07 PM 02/25/10 10:07 PM
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mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	ted it sounds like the wisco pistons you are looking at are the same ones that are in my 440 short block.my pistons are so posed to 0.012 down in the hole. with a 0.039 head gasket and a 74 cc Indy head i am so posed to only have 10.5 compression. but the Wallace engine calculator says i will have around 12.2. ted i would just buy some diamond 14cc dome pistons. they are so posed to be built to work with the edelbrock/ mopar aluminum heads. what happened to getting the the stoker kit?? Mopar65 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: mopar65] #623874 02/27/10 12:01 PM 02/27/10 12:01 PM
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tboomer OP Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame...	Brian...Nice pistons!! Vern...You must have got a good buy to have 3 sets of 2295s... Bobby...I didn't go with the stroker...I know it would make more power but I really don't want to go that fast...The car just needs to be consistant..I have been buying a few trinkets all winter...My last major purchase is the pistons...Talked to the body guy last night and as soon as it warms up a bit,it goes in for paint and the Hemi front end treatment...Should look pretty good!! Ted Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: tboomer] #623875 02/27/10 12:52 PM 02/27/10 12:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard... mopar65 master
mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	Sounds great ted. what color are you going to paint it? what is the Hemi front end treatment? Ted let me know if there is anything off my old motor you might need.thanks Bobby 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: mopar65] #623876 02/27/10 01:05 PM 02/27/10 01:05 PM
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tboomer OP Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame...	It will be the same color,Bobby...Can't think of anything I need...Here is the Hemi front end treatment... 5833482-front-clip-01-small.jpg (67 downloads) Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: mopar65] #623877 02/27/10 01:11 PM 02/27/10 01:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Quote: ted it sounds like the wisco pistons you are looking at are the same ones that are in my 440 short block.my pistons are so posed to 0.012 down in the hole. with a 0.039 head gasket and a 74 cc Indy head i am so posed to only have 10.5 compression. but the Wallace engine calculator says i will have around 12.2. Mpar65, FWIW, Scott did a CR calcutaion with my pistons sitting .010 in the hole, a 039 head gasket, and figured a 74 CC chamber and came up with 11.09-1. When we actually milled the heads they cc'd at 64.6 cc's and he racalculated and we now have 12.05-1. I'm not sure how my Pro Tru pistons compare with yours as far as vavle releif volume but I would think your problably in the 11-1 range.

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: mopar65] #623878 02/27/10 01:12 PM 02/27/10 01:12 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,825 Sk. Canada RemCharger master
RemCharger master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,825 Sk. Canada	Why are you changing pistons? Was there carnage? If your old TRWs are still good, I don't see what you are gaining? Rem

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: RemCharger] #623879 02/27/10 01:14 PM 02/27/10 01:14 PM
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tboomer OP Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame...	They have hundreds of passes on them...This engine has been together since 2001...The metal has to be fatigued!! I know I am!! Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: tboomer] #623880 02/27/10 01:16 PM 02/27/10 01:16 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Yeah but your a LOT older Ted

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: WILD BILL] #623881 02/27/10 01:20 PM 02/27/10 01:20 PM
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tboomer OP Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame...	Hmmmm... 5833510-hangman.gif (28 downloads) Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: tboomer] #623882 02/27/10 01:22 PM 02/27/10 01:22 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: WILD BILL] #623883 02/27/10 01:28 PM 02/27/10 01:28 PM
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tboomer OP Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame...	5833522-th_shakingmoon.gif (19 downloads) Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: tboomer] #623884 02/27/10 01:35 PM 02/27/10 01:35 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Do you really want to get into a smilie with me?

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: WILD BILL] #623885 02/27/10 01:41 PM 02/27/10 01:41 PM
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tboomer OP Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame...	Not really...You are the smilie king... Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: tboomer] #623886 02/27/10 01:48 PM 02/27/10 01:48 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: tboomer] #623887 02/27/10 01:49 PM 02/27/10 01:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard... mopar65 master
mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	that looks cool ted. best of luck on the car build.Mopar65 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: RemCharger] #623888 02/27/10 02:02 PM 02/27/10 02:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard... mopar65 master
mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	Quote: Mpar65, FWIW, Scott did a CR calcutaion with my pistons sitting .010 in the hole, a 039 head gasket, and figured a 74 CC chamber and came up with 11.09-1. When we actually milled the heads they cc'd at 64.6 cc's and he racalculated and we now have 12.05-1. I'm not sure how my Pro Tru pistons compare with yours as far as vavle releif volume but I would think your problably in the 11-1 range. thanks for the info bill. that would be cool if i had 11-1. but i wonder if that is to much for 93 pump gas? I am thinking about trying E85 this year? your car sounds like it will be a fun ride. what et are you shooting for? I hope to get mine to run 10.50 in the 1/4 and dive it on the street once in a while.best of luck Mopar65 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: mopar65] #623889 02/27/10 02:17 PM 02/27/10 02:17 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	The cut off for PRO in the CCE is 9.50 so I told Scott I want to stay above that. I'm kinda gearing up for high 9's as I hear similar or mabye even slighlty less built motors in much heavier cars running 10.0's everwhere I look. I wasn't far off of being legal for sub 10's when this all started so that was a blessing. That being said, I really don't know what to think and I'm trying to remain realistic as to not disapoint myself. Kinda hard when every one is telling you "your gonna need a diaper after you let go of the button that first time"

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: WILD BILL] #623890 02/27/10 04:11 PM 02/27/10 04:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard... mopar65 master
mopar65 master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,837 Central Missouri Fort Leonard...	best of luck to you and i hope your car runs the numbers you are shooting for.IF i get to go to the norwalk race this year. I hope my car is fast enough to race in the 10.0 class. But i dont think it will be that fast. but one can only wish though lol. best of luck Bobby 3520 pound race ready 1973 Street/Strip Dodge Dart - Stock stroke 440/727 10.49 @ 125.0 on 93 pump gas & ET Street Radials. More to come... ( SGT Miller) Proudly served 12 years in the US ARMY RESERVES support our troops

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: mopar65] #623891 02/27/10 04:29 PM 02/27/10 04:29 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor master
VernMotor master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Ted do you have a roll bar or cage in your car ?

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: VernMotor] #623892 02/27/10 05:06 PM 02/27/10 05:06 PM
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tboomer OP Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame...	Just the bars,Vern!! Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: tboomer] #623893 02/27/10 05:40 PM 02/27/10 05:40 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor master
VernMotor master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	roll bar can only go 11.00 now.. 10.99 you need a cage. that why I need to get dart done !

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: VernMotor] #623894 02/27/10 05:41 PM 02/27/10 05:41 PM
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tboomer OP Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame...	11.0? Uh-Oh... Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: VernMotor] #623895 02/27/10 05:59 PM 02/27/10 05:59 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Quote: roll bar can only go 11.00 now.. 10.99 you need a cage. that why I need to get dart done ! Holy crap he's right I just checked the 2010 rule book. I wonder how many people are gonna get nailed by that one

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: WILD BILL] #623896 02/28/10 02:25 AM 02/28/10 02:25 AM
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,042 Mooresburg, Tn ' '72CudaRacer top fuel
'72CudaRacer top fuel ' Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,042 Mooresburg, Tn	Quote: Quote: roll bar can only go 11.00 now.. 10.99 you need a cage. that why I need to get dart done ! Holy crap he's right I just checked the 2010 rule book. I wonder how many people are gonna get nailed by that one Not me! I got one. 14 point cage. Now, if I can just get it run fast enough to need one. Maybe my new engine will do it. Actually, when I started back racing 2 years ago, after setting out for 13 years, the cage was the first thing that was done. Old roll bars thet were in the car weren't legal for steet, much less S/P.

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: '72CudaRacer] #623897 02/28/10 04:05 AM 02/28/10 04:05 AM
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RemCharger master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,825 Sk. Canada	Last edited by RemCharger; 02/28/10 04:07 AM.

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: RemCharger] #623898 02/28/10 05:46 AM 02/28/10 05:46 AM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,384 Worst Weather USA 493_DART master
493_DART master Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,384 Worst Weather USA	I would do this : Ebay the crank , rods , pistons , etc....separately. get what you can . stop messing around and call 440 Source and get a 4.15 kit and be DONE . Have Jim or Steve or a machine shop check the kit. Then grind a tiny bit off your oil pickup boss and bores for clearance. DONE. Come on Ted...I know you've been working 60 hours a week........BUST OUT THAT CREDIT CARD !!!

Re: Please Compare These Pistons... [Re: 493_DART] #623899 02/28/10 12:57 PM 02/28/10 12:57 PM
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tboomer OP Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,932 United Socialist States of Ame...	Quote: Come on Ted...I know you've been working 60 hours a week........BUST OUT THAT CREDIT CARD !!! I only worked 50 hours this week... And don't have a credit card!! A loong time ago,a buddy that lives in the great white north said to make a plan and stick with it...He also said...It is real easy to spend someone elses money here...Pretty smart young fella!! The car is what it is...And I am happy going low 11.0s... Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

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