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Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: moderncylinder] #576008 01/08/10 03:43 PM 01/08/10 03:43 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 760 Southington Ct. T turbobitt super stock
turbobitt super stock T Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 760 Southington Ct.	Having bought these kits/parts before, this is what I would like to see...FWIW this would pertain to every kit manufacture. 1 - running list of issues found so that they don't get buried in the post. 2 - Typical cost to fix these issues weather or not you decide to pass that along to the customer. 3 - This kit was bought ballanced so after measuring the individual parts and calculating the bobweight, and spinning the crank in the machine, was it found to be correct ? 4 - was it worth buying the kit pre-ballanced since a lot of time was invested remeasuring and rechecking ? It seems like 50% of the work is repeated in rechecking stuff. 5 - Were any parts returned or unacceptable to use ? 6 - Were the parts exchanged and if so, how was customer survice ? Would like to see these answered since I'm a Hobbiest that likes to assemble my own stuff and often buy budget parts. Not asking for any comparisons to Callies, Winburg, Crower or anything like that. Allan G. 1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy. 1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno. 1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: 440Jim] #576009 01/08/10 04:00 PM 01/08/10 04:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,928 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,928 NC	Quote: It appears you have different rods in your kit compared to the ones in mine (bought in 2007). I have 6.535", 2.200/0.990, I-beam, with ARP 8740 bolts. I didn't see any bearings stickout or misaligned in my rods, but I only mocked up 2 so far. I just finished checking these things on all 8 of my rods. I used 1 bearing pair that came out of one of my previous freshen-ups. The bearing tang location lined up the bearing shells nicely in all the rods. I also did a check on the rod lengths. The only thing I can do at home is measure the bores with a mic (0.0001") and the distance between the holes with a caliper (0.0005" readout), then calculate the length. So it may not be perfect, but this is what I came up with FWIW: 6.5339 6.5343 6.5339 6.5344 6.5339 6.5334 6.5345 6.5346 6.5341 Average (at 55�F). I think that set variation is fine, +.0005/-.0007 5720994-Rod_length_measurement.jpg (62 downloads)

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: turbobitt] #576010 01/08/10 04:30 PM 01/08/10 04:30 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	With turbobitt, starting with a known problem crank was probably not he best thing to start a lets publish the facts on a new kit, not a second time around kit. We need the facts, nothing but the facts My source kit checked out within acceptable tolerances, it must have been correct as the machine shop ripped me a new #$%^& on the block prep. We need the facts , no commentary input from the peanut gallery . Got that, no other input!!!!!!!!! it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: rowin4] #576011 01/08/10 04:45 PM 01/08/10 04:45 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo. S supercomp master
supercomp master S Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo.	Why would a machine shop take a balanced assembly that was in spec and proceed to mess it up?

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: rowin4] #576012 01/08/10 04:48 PM 01/08/10 04:48 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S. M moparniac master
moparniac master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S.	I still say 10 different engine shops would have 10 different results... and I really dont think bob came on here to micro manage "440 source"... its just that well. 440 source stuff has been under the gun since day one I guess...... Have any of you guys seen The FAIL thread on Yellow Bullet.... all kinds of parts / brands going down tubes Mopar Performance

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: moparniac] #576013 01/08/10 05:49 PM 01/08/10 05:49 PM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 661 Virginia V varunner mopar
varunner mopar V Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 661 Virginia	Ok, I'll throw in my 2 cents. I don't know BG, but based on reading his posts over the last few yrs, he seems to be very knowledgeable. Even though his post on this stroker kit is intended to be a public service, it's not coming across in a very good light. I think it's completely unfair to evaluate someones products, when that product is used and has had machine work done on it. Look at it like this, what if I bought a used BGR motor off of someone, and that motor had been re-assembled and altered since it was first built. I then took it apart and posted what I found, just for informational purposes. I doubt BGR would appreciate it. If you want to evaluate an engine kit, buy a new one. Last edited by varunner; 01/08/10 05:50 PM.

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: moparniac] #576014 01/08/10 05:52 PM 01/08/10 05:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,074 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,074 Niles , Ohio	My opinon is any body can have bad parts.Ive seen too many new parts that are bad and Ive been doing it as a pro for almost 30 years.This is a good thread so lets not screw it up.My Source heads impressed my machinist and he has been doing it for over 30 years and build it all from Packard 8s to blower motors.A few members here know him and he is very very fussy.So Bob keep plugging away at it and lets see the results.I for one appreciate it.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: therocks] #576015 01/08/10 06:54 PM 01/08/10 06:54 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA B G Racing master
B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	Quote: My opinon is any body can have bad parts.Ive seen too many new parts that are bad and Ive been doing it as a pro for almost 30 years.This is a good thread so lets not screw it up.My Source heads impressed my machinist and he has been doing it for over 30 years and build it all from Packard 8s to blower motors.A few members here know him and he is very very fussy.So Bob keep plugging away at it and lets see the results.I for one appreciate it.Rocky Stole Max's woobbie,feeling warm and fuzzy alittle damp to,I may have just peed myself All is good [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: Quicktree] #576016 01/08/10 07:06 PM 01/08/10 07:06 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida rickstershemi master
rickstershemi master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida	Quote: Quote: Gentelman, I do not see any more good coming from build post 1 so I locked it. All the players gave their and members have to decide on what is right for them. I say continue with the build and post what is found, (Others may as well) but please leave personal opinions about the products out, just the facts found, I think this is the way BG intended the build to be. Ted Ted don't rule from the bench if the threads break no rules I suggest letting them run their course. just my opinion for whats it's worth. This is America.....Right Rickster

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: Diego_Ted] #576017 01/08/10 07:09 PM 01/08/10 07:09 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida rickstershemi master
rickstershemi master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida	Quote: Ted don't rule from the bench if the threads break no rules I suggest letting them run their course. just my opinion for whats it's worth. What I would like to say is, I have no problems with facts found, I adjudicate claims for a living and live and die by the fact. I do have a problem with inuendo or pseudo facts (opinions) because they help no one, they are like #$@$% everyone has one. Everyone who has spent any amount of time on here knows what goes on in these types of posts, so to keep things civil, personal opinions about good, bad, ugly are just subjective. The only objective stuff is facts, so lets post facts and let the members decide who they want to spend their $$ with. Diego and that is your opinion Ted.... I for one like to see the Censorship kept to a minimum... Rickster

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: rickstershemi] #576018 01/08/10 07:28 PM 01/08/10 07:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: Quote: Ted don't rule from the bench if the threads break no rules I suggest letting them run their course. just my opinion for whats it's worth. What I would like to say is, I have no problems with facts found, I adjudicate claims for a living and live and die by the fact. I do have a problem with inuendo or pseudo facts (opinions) because they help no one, they are like #$@$% everyone has one. Everyone who has spent any amount of time on here knows what goes on in these types of posts, so to keep things civil, personal opinions about good, bad, ugly are just subjective. The only objective stuff is facts, so lets post facts and let the members decide who they want to spend their $$ with. Diego and that is your opinion Ted.... I for one like to see the Censorship kept to a minimum... Rickster no kidding, keep your opinions to yourself

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: Quicktree] #576019 01/08/10 07:35 PM 01/08/10 07:35 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA B G Racing master
B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	Quote: Quote: Quote: Ted don't rule from the bench if the threads break no rules I suggest letting them run their course. just my opinion for whats it's worth. What I would like to say is, I have no problems with facts found, I adjudicate claims for a living and live and die by the fact. I do have a problem with inuendo or pseudo facts (opinions) because they help no one, they are like #$@$% everyone has one. Everyone who has spent any amount of time on here knows what goes on in these types of posts, so to keep things civil, personal opinions about good, bad, ugly are just subjective. The only objective stuff is facts, so lets post facts and let the members decide who they want to spend their $$ with. Diego and that is your opinion Ted.... I for one like to see the Censorship kept to a minimum... Rickster no kidding, keep your opinions to yourself Any body wanna borrow my woobbie blankee(slightly damp) [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: B G Racing] #576020 01/08/10 08:07 PM 01/08/10 08:07 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 521 somewhereintheswampsofjersey 1 1swingin mopar
1swingin mopar 1 Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 521 somewhereintheswampsofjersey	I love this thread. Iam getting ready to purchase a 470 low deck kit and its good to see the pros and cons of the source kits. Iam sure none of them are "drop it in and go racing" kits but iam learning alot about what to look for and checking everything 5 times. Iam a budget minded racer and was leaning towards the source kits but the more i read,the muscle motors kit is looking better and better. Thanks for all the info. "I aint here on buisness baby,Iam only here for fun"

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: 1swingin] #576021 01/08/10 08:13 PM 01/08/10 08:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: I love this thread. Iam getting ready to purchase a 470 low deck kit and its good to see the pros and cons of the source kits. Iam sure none of them are "drop it in and go racing" kits but iam learning alot about what to look for and checking everything 5 times. Iam a budget minded racer and was leaning towards the source kits but the more i read,the muscle motors kit is looking better and better. Thanks for all the info. I know of several people you can buy a drop in kit from

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: Quicktree] #576022 01/08/10 09:03 PM 01/08/10 09:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,406 Diego-Town, CA Diego_Ted master
Diego_Ted master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,406 Diego-Town, CA	I have no issue if your posting facts, personal attacks will not be tolorated , this comes from the Boss not us mods. Diego

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: Diego_Ted] #576023 01/09/10 12:09 AM 01/09/10 12:09 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida rickstershemi master
rickstershemi master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida	Quote: I have no issue if your posting facts, personal attacks will not be tolorated , this comes from the Boss not us mods. Diego Must have missed something Ted...didn't see any personal attacks...actually pretty impressed to see that also Rickster

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: B G Racing] #576024 01/09/10 12:10 AM 01/09/10 12:10 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida rickstershemi master
rickstershemi master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Ted don't rule from the bench if the threads break no rules I suggest letting them run their course. just my opinion for whats it's worth. What I would like to say is, I have no problems with facts found, I adjudicate claims for a living and live and die by the fact. I do have a problem with inuendo or pseudo facts (opinions) because they help no one, they are like #$@$% everyone has one. Everyone who has spent any amount of time on here knows what goes on in these types of posts, so to keep things civil, personal opinions about good, bad, ugly are just subjective. The only objective stuff is facts, so lets post facts and let the members decide who they want to spend their $$ with. Diego and that is your opinion Ted.... I for one like to see the Censorship kept to a minimum... Rickster no kidding, keep your opinions to yourself Any body wanna borrow my woobbie blankee(slightly damp) No Thanks Bob....Wife got me my very own for Xmas Rickster

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: B G Racing] #576025 01/09/10 05:08 AM 01/09/10 05:08 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Quote: James,I'am not mad at anyone,Brandon nor Jeff,but if they want to contribute do so in an uncondenscending way.I have a good command of the English language and can interpert verbal usage quite well. BG don't take this as a personal attack, just an observation. I respect you and what you're doing, but I feel this needs saying. Perhaps you need to go back and re-read your previous posts. You started out with the little remarks and attitude before brandon or jeff even chimed in. If I were in their shoes, I would have probably reacted in the same way. Don't try and tell us your pooh doesn't stink like eveyone else's. You buried your comments in there a little better, but the message still comes through loud and clear. I'm not defending or bashing anyone, but you didn't exactly take the high road either. But thanks for doing what you did and addressing the issues. However like others have mentioned, this would have been more helpful on a current, previously untouched kit rather than an older one that's been monkeyed with already. Still very helpful though.

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #576026 01/09/10 05:40 AM 01/09/10 05:40 AM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,384 Worst Weather USA 493_DART master
493_DART master Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,384 Worst Weather USA	TO THE MODS - PLEASE.....JUST LET US HAVE ONE FREAKIN TOPIC WHERE WE CAN CONVERSE ON A POPULAR SUBJECT ----- NO ONE WILL BE HURT , NO ONE'S FEELINGS WILL BE HURT. THIS IS A GREAT SUBJECT AND WE ALL WANT TO SEE RESULTS FROM A SHOP--- I DONT SEE ANY SERIOUS BASHING AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMON SENSE THEY WILL DETECT ANY OBVIOUS BIAS . I ENCOURAGE ANOTHER SHOP TO DO THE SAME THREAD WITH A EAGLE , SCAT , ETC... KIT NEXT MONTH. THIS IS GREAT INFO WITH MEASUREMENTS AND PICTURES. PLEASE.........MODS....LET US MAKE UP OUR OWN FREAKIN MINDS FOR ONCE !!!!

Re: 440 source kit update part 2 [Re: 493_DART] #576027 01/09/10 10:30 AM 01/09/10 10:30 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,180 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,180 PA.	Quote: TO THE MODS - PLEASE.....JUST LET US HAVE ONE FREAKIN TOPIC WHERE WE CAN CONVERSE ON A POPULAR SUBJECT ----- NO ONE WILL BE HURT , NO ONE'S FEELINGS WILL BE HURT. THIS IS A GREAT SUBJECT AND WE ALL WANT TO SEE RESULTS FROM A SHOP--- I DONT SEE ANY SERIOUS BASHING AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMON SENSE THEY WILL DETECT ANY OBVIOUS BIAS . I ENCOURAGE ANOTHER SHOP TO DO THE SAME THREAD WITH A EAGLE , SCAT , ETC... KIT NEXT MONTH. THIS IS GREAT INFO WITH MEASUREMENTS AND PICTURES. PLEASE.........MODS....LET US MAKE UP OUR OWN FREAKIN MINDS FOR ONCE !!!! PLEASE STOP YELLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

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