Hi guys

I just had a body job done, I'd like to know your opinion on this welding





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thanks in advance

I'm no bodyman- just started doing it for myself recently.

That would not be acceptable had I done it myself- let alone paid someone for it.

thanks man.. the big problem is... I paid a lot of money for that!

I have only see one job worst than that!!!
RUN AWAY FAST!!!!

he says that's a technique not to bend the sheet metal... the problem is the 2 parts of metal are not melted together...

I'm not so sure of that technique.... please take a look at the whole pics, second sandblast and epoxy primer was done by another shop...

Lake Como Italy...I know there are very talented bodymen to be found in your area, but the guy you found isn't the one... You need to find someone that likes American Muscle cause the guy you found needs to practice on a Skoda... Good Luck..

Your guy doesn't seem to worried about the ball peened piece of metal he overlaid on to the original sheet metal. His next act will be to beat the hell of the welded area so he can apply an inch of Bondo to make it look flat.
You need to find someone who knows what he is doing.
This guy reminds me of a cat, his is probably great at up covering up his own excrement.

you know what?

there was a layer of bondo on it! I discovered after having it sandblasted a second time!

Frankendodge

That is by far the worst I've ever seen.

That's the worst welding job I've seen.
Two concerns....
(1) What's under the hammered-up patch? Old rusted roof piller, just waiting to grow?

(2) After filler, each area BETWEEN his tac welds is an area where moisture can collect and escape (meaning bondo will soon bubble)

If you continue on with this type of patch work in the car, I would consider selling it fairly soon after it's painted.

I'm considering to remove the patch to see what's under... it's not a big job putting it back in a proper way

looking close is there still lead on the seam there? If so what are the spot welds on? Can we see the rest of the 1/4 panel? Do not feel bad, I had some work like that done to my car recently, then had the car blasted and done over by a great bodyman. It will get there, John.

Believe it or not my buddy has a 69 Coronet Cont. 440 4spd drag pak car(1of99) with almost identical weld job at his resto shop.I swear it must of been done by the same genuis.This car came into his shop looking like a first timer did it.Sorry if I offended any first timers who's car came out better.When it came back from media blasting it had the same type of weld job.It was hit hard in front and must of been used in a Duke's of Hazzard show.Totally amatureish.

Sorry man: Thats a poor attempt.

Sheldon

not good...

Adam, how are you? John.

Some people should not be allowed to use tools

Since you, and I assume the body guy, are in Italy, I'll keep the slang remarks out.
That is a very poor attempt at repairing sheetmetal. It is not finished, and should not have been started if that's the guy's skill level.

Short version...
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=343957&highlight=bodywork

Long version...
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32050

have you ordered the hit yet?

Are you aware of AMD, new full quarters available for that car now.... You are a in pretty deep

Who ever did the work is simply ripping you off and also ruining a good car. Sounds like you've already dropped alot of money into this project. I'd make it well known not to do business with the guy who did this and even take some sort of legal action to get some of your money back.

To do this car properly, if you can afford to, you need to put full 1/4s on it. Basically calling Auto Metal Direct (AMD) and having it shipped. I know its big bucks to probably do that. If you want your car to be nice, you mine as well order a new 1 piece floor pan and the trunk drops too.

I think the car is in worse shape now then when it was started.

you are gonna need a bigger building.I will call you guys at the shop, John.

thank you guys for your precious hints

I'm seriously considering to get a full quarter, at the time I got the car I didn't a full one.

Let's see what's under that patch!

thanks again

from the barn ...




1st body job

before second sandblast

after second sandblast

Epoxy Primer

second sandblast and epoxy primer was done by another shop...

Amazing anybody would be willing to have that out there with their name on it. Wow.

I stripped and dipped this Cuda body and found some of the same type of bodywork, it was covered by lots of Bondo, that eventually popped and cracked.









This type of work only works for a flipper car that you plan on selling quick.

That's brutal.

When the welding on my car was done, I couldn't tell where the weld was or where the patch started and stopped (on either side)....THAT's what a proper job should look like.

The metal should be the right shape to begin with; not beat with a ball peen hammer and the welds need to be gone over until they are continuous.

Dave

Where do I begin...
lets see...

For some reason 68-70 SuperBee/Coronet Quarter panel replacement seems to be a science all its own..and I don't know why

They are a real pain because usually
the rear windshield corner is shot and patching
it almost NEVER looks right UNLESS the guy doing
it has done this repair multiple times.

AMD offers a rear windshield corner patch for this
that looks like it might work... depending on the
skill of the welder doing it.

However, In the case of your patch on the sail panel - I'm sorry but that's totally unacceptable.

Why?
1) Even if your going to "mud" over it and cover
the sail with a vinyl top - you'll see this repair under the vinyl. The sail panel will NEVER look right...

2) What it looks like he's done is laid a piece of stock sheet metal OVER your existing damage and tack welded it in place about every 1/4 inch.
What about the space between each tack?

Moisture will get underneath that and it will be mess in short order

3) If the body man had an ounce of welding experience/ he could have easily "laid" this piece
over the damage - held it in place with cleco fasteners or for that matter sheet metal screws and then taken a cutoff tool and neatly spliced it in with butt welds...

The result: a fully welded, level, spliced-in patch.. that would need only minimal filler when finished...

Take this back and tell him to try again!

2) The quarter panel...

This is 1 approach to replacing the side and outer upper section of the factory quarter with the skin...

1) Slice old one off,
2) flange top line
3) then lay on new skin and tack weld...

The flanging I don't necessarily have a problem with, He tack welded to avoid warping. but he should have finished filling in all the gaps..
There should be no gaps..it should be filled in with tack welds solid all the way across.

There was a demo of this approach in mopar muscle
magazine on an old 69 Charger years ago...

The problem I have with this is he didnt need to section off the top part of the quarter panel where it wraps up over the door jam..

He should have sectioned underneath that top body line = the line that mates with the top of the door...

It looks like he took off the door jam as well.
Bad idea with a skin...

He should have sectioned off underneath the top
quarter line, about 1 -2 inches in front of the door jam and he should have save the rear marker light and tail panel matings as well...

There is a demo of this approach on
www.musclecarrestorations.com

Now that he has taken the top portion of the
quarter panel off. Your only recourse is to section and replace the entire quarter panel with
the OEM version from AMD...

Your lucky, really nice quarters are available from AMD which look fantastic.
if you had a 70 Coronet/superbee you'd be SOL...

Good luck

My

well at this point i shouldnt have to tell you thats a very poor job.any unwelded areas will come back,with a vengence! then you will be driving a "crack-baby".

Depending on what you paid and how much that amount of money hurts to lose, I would seriously consider small claims court. You could get some of your money back.......

@DPelletier: if you'll ever come to Italy I owe you one!

thanks for the detailed explanation!

PS: the first owner of my Maco Corvette is named Richard Pelletier... never managed to find him!

thanks everybody

it wasn't done in a proper body shop, but the man who did it used to run a body shop!! so... probably 10% body shop 90% hurry shop

my friend, i do restorations, and if one of my guys did work like this he'd be fired on the spot! when cars come in like this, i cant help but shake my head in disbelief that this was, by someone's definition, good, passable work...too many people out there think they're a body man because you can make anything look good with bondo....GRRRR! those of us who do proper body work are fewer and farther between all the time, im young, 27, and i learned from an old school body man, but the guys coming out of schools now all seem to be in that mode of "just do enough to make it stick and mud it up...youre right the welds didnt even penetrate like they should...man im sorry you had to pay for that.

that fine craftmenship leaves me speechless

Was the shop called "Stevie and Rays Auto Body"? Only explanation I could come up with-

what you got there is nothing compared to what I'm dealing with right now

What IS that?

Stefan, your pics remind me of my first car when I was 15.. Mine was nowhere near that frankenstein in your pics...

My car was a 41 chevy coupe with a bigblock chevy in it.. It had some rust in the trunk ( just in the two corners).. My dad was helpin me and he is just not a mechanic, he tries though.. I remember him helping me cut up some old tin cans and fiberglassing them into the trunk.. Heck at least it kept the gas fumes out of the car..

On a side note, my dad was in the marines at the end of WWII.. He was a mechanic on a Carrier working on the engines of F4U Corsairs!!!!!! STill scares me today that people flew airplanes that my dad worked on..........

Va a buttare quel deficiente nel lago!

first of all....what hail storm did he get tha piece of tin from?
as far as the weld....looks like chit to me

and it'll suck to hve to have it redone, but better to get it done, and done the right way now, then six months down the road when your new paint is bubbling up.